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Post by mlnance13 on Nov 17, 2012 4:28:22 GMT -7
What Ohm rating would you guys suggest?
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Post by cheycaster on Nov 17, 2012 5:14:30 GMT -7
Now I gostsa have me one now...
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Post by quinto on Nov 18, 2012 17:46:14 GMT -7
Mine showed up Thursday. I had a couple chances to turn it up. Like any new speaker it is a bit crispy up top. It does seem to get better pretty quickly though. And I agree it is like a Greenback with more bass. And it is nice tight bass too. Glad I pulled the trigger in it. I am just turning the treble down a but until it smooths out some more. Another benefit is the 97db sensitivity. I was running my EJ Strat into it half power with both volumes at noon. It was actually not too crazy.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Dec 1, 2012 10:29:27 GMT -7
I have about 15+ hours on my Creamback now and I think it has smoothed out nicely. Been using the route66 mostly. Just read a post from Eddie about using a 5Y3 in a MAZ jr so swapped in an old JAN (G.E.) 5Y3 and played the Maz for 90 mins. It's SWEET and I really like the Creamback with every amp I've used. It is noticeably quieter too. Nice BIG bass response in my 1x12 Z closed. I haven't switched panel to open back it. I am very pleased & reminded just how nice the Maz is. Now I just need some gigs!
How are y'all liking your creambacks now that you've had more time with them?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 11:34:39 GMT -7
The biggest plus factor for me is being able to play the remedy at 40 watts now! I really liked the Gold with the Remedy no question about it the Gold is a superb speaker. It has to be driven pretty hard to really appreciate how good it sounds but at lower levels it can sound a little dark. I would figure out a way to get it to brighten up usually with my fuzz face type pedal and roll back my volume giving me a nice clean boost. With the Creamback you have more room and in my honest opinion takes pedals even better then the Gold. Personally I liked the gold better just pluggin straight in no effects. The Creamback has that nice warm crunch and break up that really reminds me of the 70's classic Rock tone that I grew up on. Mine still has a way to go before being truly broke in. I have a feeling it wont be long now at 40 watts! Don't get me wrong about the gold it is also an excellent speaker with the Remedy. It was a hard choice for me to make but after hearing how the remedy sounded with the Z- Best and two greenbacks I was curious as to how close the creamback would come to getting that same tone in a 1/12 cab and I have no regrets here at all it was a good transition. Its just working better for me in my playing situation. One thing I want to say is I love this forum and all the great people we have on here and the wealth of information that you all have shared I have learned so much and really appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 13:40:46 GMT -7
I'm still really digging mine. It's got a real nice crunch and the lead tones are singing and organ-like--a lot of that's the Rem, of course. Mine's just about broken in--probably 90%--and the top is nice and smooth now. That said, I think I prefer the Creamback at somewhat lower volumes and with single coils, and the Gold at higher volumes and with Humbuckers. The Creamback can get a bit overwhelmed by the neck pickup on my LP if I'm not vigilant about rolling off the GV when I switch to the neck--this might not be an issue with the back of the cab closed; haven't tried it yet. It may also be a failure on my part to get the Rem dialed in right--haven't quite found the magic number for both bridge and neck on a Lester yet. I think the slight harshness I'm hearing at higher volume will probably disappear once it's fully broken in--after a few more weeks of intermittent playing I'm guessing it'll be smooth as buttah.
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Post by blackwidow675 on Dec 7, 2012 20:45:49 GMT -7
So I swapped the speakers. FUN but I'm a little toasted from juggling family & a bunch of stuff. Got a short A/B comparison on soundcloud. IMO the Weber is good, a lot more mid-focused. The Creamback was way diff. More complex character, kind of reminds me of the gold. Sooner breakup, Bigger bottom and sparkly highs. I LIKE it!!! Need to break in a little i think. demos are quick and dirty and very dry so as to not hide anything in the mix. Supper sloppy but hope these are useful to someone. Y'all give so much to me. Weberdemo: snd.sc/Q4MIk6Creamback demo: snd.sc/ZlE01iBTW: telecaster straight into remedy on 1x12 z cab closed back This is a good thread, and I had been debating about what "flavor" of Greenback-type speaker to get before I decided to spring for a WGS Invader, which (although a little loud) I really enjoy. I thought Nigel's idea of posting the short clips was cool, and I've got a real similar setup, so I figured I'd try to match it as close as I could so someone could compare the WGS Invader to those if they liked. The amp settings were the same as Nigel laid out in his later post (B=10:00, M=1:00, T=11:00, Hi=1:00, Lo=9:00; 20 watts), and all the other details are in the Soundcloud info at the links below. Although there are two links, they are essentially the same loop: one version with straight signal off the mic (no efx), and one version with a little reverb and compression to approximate real-world hearing. Rhythm guitar is panned hard left; lead is panned hard right, so you can isolate each, if you're so inclined. Hope this helps someone... NO EFX: soundcloud.com/okay-maybe/remedy-tele-wgs-invader-no-efxMILD REV/COMP: soundcloud.com/okay-maybe/remedy-tele-wgs-invader-comp
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Dec 7, 2012 21:35:10 GMT -7
^^^^^ Now that's really sweet! Very similar character. So many great comments on the WGS & you have demonstrated why that is. Very cool indeed.
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Post by John on Dec 8, 2012 15:08:38 GMT -7
I would buy the WGS Invader in a heartbeat...except it's 99db. I'll spend the extra money on the 97db Celestion Creamback. I have a few WGS speakers....all are excellent. But 2db is worth the extra money.
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Post by blackwidow675 on Dec 8, 2012 19:56:27 GMT -7
I would buy the WGS Invader in a heartbeat...except it's 99db. I'll spend the extra money on the 97db Celestion Creamback. I have a few WGS speakers....all are excellent. But 2db is worth the extra money. Ya know... as much as I like it, I'm right there with you. It's a shame, actually. The speaker sounds great, but I wish they could knock 2-3 db off of it. I'll probably end up dropping a Creamback in there just to lose some volume. I do wish the speaker manufacturers would figure out a way to release more speakers in the 95-97 db range. There are lots of people out there that love the feel and sound of the big amps but need to tame the volume a little.
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Post by jmacbeth30 on Dec 10, 2012 15:49:10 GMT -7
I talked to a friend of mine at a local music shop and he said the Doc can custom build me a 1x12 cab with a Creamback for a small upcharge. I think i'm gonna go with that rather than the Z Best with 2 Greenbacks. It'll be easier on my back. Lol I never played the Remedy before, so I'm hoping it'll be what I'm looking for. I play in a country/classic rock band. I hope it's not overkill and too much rock gain for the kind of music I play. We'll see.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 10, 2012 16:47:21 GMT -7
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It won't be! I use mine for a 50s Rock n Roll band occasionally where they like things CLEAN, and it just sings beautifully! As is usual with the Doc's designs, the Noon position is the hidden secret. Keep the Vs below noon and you're is gorgeous clean territory; get above noon, and things dirty up real nice! You pick the spot which suits your needs best ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 17:46:36 GMT -7
Yep--the single coil cleans the Rem produces at < 12:00 on the Vs are killer. KILLER. Big, fat cleans that would be great for country, and that dirty up perfectly with the guitar volume or an OD pedal for blues. I'm a big fan of the Rem's cleans and semi-cleans with single coils.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 18:41:40 GMT -7
I would buy the WGS Invader in a heartbeat...except it's 99db. I'll spend the extra money on the 97db Celestion Creamback. I have a few WGS speakers....all are excellent. But 2db is worth the extra money. I went from the Celestion Gold to the Creamback. When I had the Gold I had no choice but to play in the 20 watt setting 40 watts was just too loud live and even at home. Now that I have the creamback its just the opposite 20 watts just don't cut it. I have consistently been able to play at 40 watts live and at home just break lite it at 40 watts! The warmth and crunch of the creamback is a beautiful thing yesterday I used my Les Paul just straight in no effects and was able to get some nice cleans and warm crunch and beautiful singing sustaining leads. Man I love the remedy! I really like the Gold with the Remedy but in all honestly the creamback just works better for me in a live setting especially at church. 2db is a HUGE difference! John you are right! ;D
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Post by roknfnrol on Dec 12, 2012 7:29:21 GMT -7
So I swapped the speakers. FUN but I'm a little toasted from juggling family & a bunch of stuff. Got a short A/B comparison on soundcloud. IMO the Weber is good, a lot more mid-focused. The Creamback was way diff. More complex character, kind of reminds me of the gold. Sooner breakup, Bigger bottom and sparkly highs. I LIKE it!!! Need to break in a little i think. demos are quick and dirty and very dry so as to not hide anything in the mix. Supper sloppy but hope these are useful to someone. Y'all give so much to me. Weberdemo: snd.sc/Q4MIk6Creamback demo: snd.sc/ZlE01iBTW: telecaster straight into remedy on 1x12 z cab closed back This is a good thread, and I had been debating about what "flavor" of Greenback-type speaker to get before I decided to spring for a WGS Invader, which (although a little loud) I really enjoy. I thought Nigel's idea of posting the short clips was cool, and I've got a real similar setup, so I figured I'd try to match it as close as I could so someone could compare the WGS Invader to those if they liked. The amp settings were the same as Nigel laid out in his later post (B=10:00, M=1:00, T=11:00, Hi=1:00, Lo=9:00; 20 watts), and all the other details are in the Soundcloud info at the links below. Although there are two links, they are essentially the same loop: one version with straight signal off the mic (no efx), and one version with a little reverb and compression to approximate real-world hearing. Rhythm guitar is panned hard left; lead is panned hard right, so you can isolate each, if you're so inclined. Hope this helps someone... NO EFX: soundcloud.com/okay-maybe/remedy-tele-wgs-invader-no-efxMILD REV/COMP: soundcloud.com/okay-maybe/remedy-tele-wgs-invader-compGreat tone and playing!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 9:32:05 GMT -7
^^^ Yep--nice stuff, for sure!
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Post by "Z" Steve on Dec 13, 2012 0:49:31 GMT -7
I just ordered my Creamback from Sweetwater - should be here next Wednesday. One thing I haven't seen posted in these reviews - are you running your Creamback in a closed back cab or open back to get the best results? I know ceramics are usually closed back but no one has commented - jus wondering. Thanks, Steve
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Post by blackwidow675 on Dec 13, 2012 18:41:08 GMT -7
I just ordered my Creamback from Sweetwater - should be here next Wednesday. One thing I haven't seen posted in these reviews - are you running your Creamback in a closed back cab or open back to get the best results? I know ceramics are usually closed back but no one has commented - jus wondering. Thanks, Steve I did my sample through a closed-back 1x12, which I'm pretty sure Nigel's sample were done through, too.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Dec 13, 2012 20:38:56 GMT -7
Mine is closed back. I have not used it open back since I have a 2x12 open back and some combos too. That's one reason I wanted the Creamback. I played it several hours last few days and it just gets better.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Dec 13, 2012 21:45:49 GMT -7
That's what I guessed. I will put the Creamback in my Z convertible cab and leave the Gold in my smaller rectangular Z 1x12.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 22:47:44 GMT -7
I use mine open back. I may have to try it closed Back and see what the difference will be like.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Dec 14, 2012 15:30:08 GMT -7
I get off work at noon on Fridays. Played 90 mins or so today: Maz, 66, then Remedy on the 1x12 conv. cab. w/Creamback. I have come close to selling the Remedy. After today it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Rock & Roll baby!!!
I'm finding my sweet spot on the Rem. like y'all said High Vol around 1 o'clock. Airbrake on 3 or 4.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Dec 18, 2012 18:48:47 GMT -7
My Creamback arrived today, and now I know what the revrand is talking about when he changed from the Gold to the Creamback. My Remedy sounded excellent with the Gold and I was trodding along with a Greenback in another cab with a BrakeLite. I used the Greenback at home but always took the Gold to the gigs. NOT ANYMORE. The Creamback sounds great - as most everyone has been saying. I kept the back on the cab, tried HB's, single coils, 20 & 40 watts, rolling back the volume & tone - no loss at all and tons of girth. Sweetwaters price is great with free shipping - got here a day earlier and this is a week before Christmas so I'm even happier. I don't think I'd ever need it but makes me wonder what two would sound like
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 21:41:53 GMT -7
Closed the back on my 1x12 w/ Creamback today--I think that's how it's going to stay. Just outstanding with single coils and the LP. Very happy with this speaker, I gotta say. A/B'd it a little with the Gold, and to my ear the Creamback still sounds better with the Rem, which is awesome considering it's about $100 less. The fact that it's not as loud is a big deal, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 2:21:11 GMT -7
O.K. I gotta try mine closed now guys thanks.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Dec 21, 2012 21:16:44 GMT -7
The Remedy/Creamback is going to be my main setup for now. We got some good gigs coming up including a sweet Mardi Gras gig downtown Mobile on the parade route. Gonna be some nice big venues where I can unleash the Rem. I've been waiting for this!
Oh, and the 40 watt setting is not a problem now at all.
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Post by Andy 67 on Jan 9, 2013 9:49:26 GMT -7
I've just ordered a 16 Ohm Creamback this morning. I chose the 16 Ohm to use the tranny in full, so hopefully soon I'll be able to post some reports telling the differences between my 8 Ohm Gold and the 16 Ohm Creamback. Tons of tone!!
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Post by Jefferson on Jan 9, 2013 13:34:41 GMT -7
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Post by cheycaster on Jan 10, 2013 17:45:06 GMT -7
here we go again!!!! hahahaaaaaa......I'm ordering up a 16 ohmer myself! ;D ;D
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Post by vanceen on Jan 12, 2013 19:30:46 GMT -7
Just put my new Creamback in my 1x12, replacing a Gold.
So far I really like it. Very definite taming of the volume, but a great sound too. There's a little something going on at the top end that I hope will clear up when it's broken it.
I look forward to hearing both my Creambacks in the closed 2x12 that's coming next week.
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