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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 17:43:15 GMT -7
I think your description of the Creamback sounds spot on. And yeah, the highs get smoother/less crispy with break-in--I figure I've still got a few more hours to go, but it sounds better every time I plug it in. Will check your demos--a day of monkeying around with Zs is a good day, indeed!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 10, 2012 20:10:53 GMT -7
Wow those are different. I like the Creamback! Nice!
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Post by markT on Nov 11, 2012 5:41:26 GMT -7
So I swapped the speakers. FUN but I'm a little toasted from juggling family & a bunch of stuff. Got a short A/B comparison on soundcloud. IMO the Weber is good, a lot more mid-focused. The Creamback was way diff. More complex character, kind of reminds me of the gold. Sooner breakup, Bigger bottom and sparkly highs. I LIKE it!!! Need to break in a little i think. demos are quick and dirty and very dry so as to not hide anything in the mix. Supper sloppy but hope these are useful to someone. Y'all give so much to me. Weberdemo: snd.sc/Q4MIk6Creamback demo: snd.sc/ZlE01iBTW: telecaster straight into remedy on 1x12 z cab closed back Nice demo Rick! I like the dry sound on demo's so we can hear all the differences. Love your version of "What is and What Should Never Be!" Great job! The Creamback sounds nice...Much better than the Weber to my taste. Thanks~
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Post by John on Nov 11, 2012 6:26:57 GMT -7
Dang nabit....
I have the Legacy (65 watts, 30 oz magnet)...and I've never been happy with it. I've only used it on one gig...and it was 'ok'. But I know it's a very mid focused speaker. Too much mids...I was really surprised. My goal was to get a high powered greenback. And many of you know how much I love the greenback!!
So now we have yet another person saying the Legacy is way too mid focused.
So I may have to bite the bullet and get rid of the Legacy and get a creamback and end this search. And the creamback is only 97db!!! That's just icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 6:51:53 GMT -7
So I swapped the speakers. FUN but I'm a little toasted from juggling family & a bunch of stuff. Got a short A/B comparison on soundcloud. IMO the Weber is good, a lot more mid-focused. The Creamback was way diff. More complex character, kind of reminds me of the gold. Sooner breakup, Bigger bottom and sparkly highs. I LIKE it!!! Need to break in a little i think. demos are quick and dirty and very dry so as to not hide anything in the mix. Supper sloppy but hope these are useful to someone. Y'all give so much to me. Weberdemo: snd.sc/Q4MIk6Creamback demo: snd.sc/ZlE01iBTW: telecaster straight into remedy on 1x12 z cab closed back Nice demos! I'm thinking the Weber ad the Creamback would be killer in a 2x12...
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Nov 11, 2012 6:55:56 GMT -7
^^^^ John, you mentioned the weber mids months ago but I got the weber anyways. And a gold, and a... Ha!!! I think the Creamback will end my speaker quest for the 1x12 closed (or open) cab. I never had greenbacks before so I cannot compare. But I like what I hear so the Creamback is in. It will be fun trying the Maz18 & Route66 now too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 15:46:08 GMT -7
Got to test drive the creamback at church today and really loved what I was hearing actually got to use the Remedy in the 40 watt setting! I found that you really have to push the gold for it to sound its best and I could never get past the 20 watts settings or it would be just too loud. Now keep in mind I was using a Gold for quite some time. I still have a gold in my maz jr studio and that combo sounds excellent. Comparing the gold with the Creamback the gold sounds more compressed and thicker but when cranked sounds very rich and lush I also liked the gold much better without pedals. But now when it comes to the creamback its a different story.. My lead tone had such a nice sustain and the neck pic up got that Hendrix red house billy gibbons blue jean blues tone which that alone made me want to shout. With the creamback and the Remedy I found pretty much that same awesome classic rock tone that I get with my Z-best and the remedy and the two greenbacks. Even my pedals sounded better with the ceramic Creamback. Its that tone I grew up on and what made me want to pick up a guitar in the first place. I would even venture to say I like the creamback better then the gold. I just had to post this because I had a feeling about the creamback and I am glad that it was right. Its no doubt at least for me the perfect speaker with the remedy in a 1/12 open back cab. Now I can open up the remedy a bit more and get more out of it at reasonable volumes. I don't use a brake lite live either so when I got to hear that warm crunch at 40 watts it was a done deal! Praise the Lord! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 16:24:33 GMT -7
^^^^ John, you mentioned the weber mids months ago but I got the weber anyways. And a gold, and a... Ha!!! I think the Creamback will end my speaker quest for the 1x12 closed (or open) cab. I never had greenbacks before so I cannot compare. But I like what I hear so the Creamback is in. It will be fun trying the Maz18 & Route66 now too. I agree Nigel I love the Gold but I have to be honest I like the creamback better! The search is over!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 16:34:58 GMT -7
Dang nabit.... I have the Legacy (65 watts, 30 oz magnet)...and I've never been happy with it. I've only used it on one gig...and it was 'ok'. But I know it's a very mid focused speaker. Too much mids...I was really surprised. My goal was to get a high powered greenback. And many of you know how much I love the greenback!! So now we have yet another person saying the Legacy is way too mid focused. So I may have to bite the bullet and get rid of the Legacy and get a creamback and end this search. And the creamback is only 97db!!! That's just icing on the cake. John now you know I already call you the greenback expert. ;D I learned everything about the greenbacks from you so I say this with all do respect and humility. Bite the Bullet and get you a creamback. Your search will be over. Thats coming from someone who was using the gold and we all know the gold is like the cream of the crop. Still the creamback has so much more character and attitude. I stepped on my pharaoh fuzz today at church and engaged my vibe pedal and I felt like I was back at woodstock! ;D Just get the creamback you will not regret it.
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Post by surfhard on Nov 11, 2012 18:05:11 GMT -7
Rev,
So the Creamback is a good bit quieter than the Gold? Can you hear the 3db difference?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 18:23:29 GMT -7
Rev, So the Creamback is a good bit quieter than the Gold? Can you hear the 3db difference? Thx, surfhard Not sure about hearing the 3db difference but I def was able to push that creamback harder then the gold and not be too loud. Yes it is quieter. With the gold my normal and high volume are usually set at about 10 oclock. at 20 watts Today I had them at about 2 oclock and even went to 40 watts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 18:29:52 GMT -7
There's a big difference in volume between the Gold and the Creamback, for sure.
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Post by John on Nov 11, 2012 19:22:24 GMT -7
There's a big difference in volume between the Gold and the Creamback, for sure. Very glad to hear that. Gold=100 db CB= 97 db 3 db is more than enough to hear the difference. But it's nice to hear it from someone who's used them instead of statistics and paper.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Nov 11, 2012 20:04:17 GMT -7
Got to test drive the creamback at church today and really loved what I was hearing actually got to use the Remedy in the 40 watt setting! Praise the Lord! ;D Uh .... 40 watts at church? Was this an outdoor revival? Who boy Again I say - "In the volume it is written" I 'm thinking there's gonna be a Creamback comin from Sweetwater by Friday. Time to buy another empty 1x12 cab. Thanks for the reports guys.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 20:30:48 GMT -7
Got to test drive the creamback at church today and really loved what I was hearing actually got to use the Remedy in the 40 watt setting! Praise the Lord! ;D Uh .... 40 watts at church? Was this an outdoor revival? Who boy Again I say - "In the volume it is written" I 'm thinking there's gonna be a Creamback comin from Sweetwater by Friday. Time to buy another empty 1x12 cab. Thanks for the reports guys. It was indoors and it sounded and felt like a revival. You will be a happy man come Friday.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 12, 2012 3:41:24 GMT -7
...... and why exactly am I reading this, huh?? Am I to understand that there's a better speaker for the Remedy than the G12-65? And at a really good price too? Dang it guys, give a guy a break, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 5:58:54 GMT -7
If it ain't broke, Pete...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 12, 2012 6:34:03 GMT -7
...... and why exactly am I reading this, huh?? Am I to understand that there's a better speaker for the Remedy than the G12-65? And at a really good price too? Dang it guys, give a guy a break, eh? I thought the Creamback WAS a G12-65. At least if it's not, it sure sounds like the one I have here. Remedy sounds great through many speakers though.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Nov 12, 2012 7:16:52 GMT -7
I believe the white sticky label says G12-65 as well as "Made in UK". I'm really liking the Creamback so far. Also closed/open back is an option. I made another Zep demo with the Route 66. I will most definately be using this combo. I'll be putting a lot of hours on it over the next several weeks recording & such.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 12, 2012 7:29:06 GMT -7
...... and why exactly am I reading this, huh?? Am I to understand that there's a better speaker for the Remedy than the G12-65? And at a really good price too? Dang it guys, give a guy a break, eh? I thought the Creamback WAS a G12-65. At least if it's not, it sure sounds like the one I have here. Remedy sounds great through many speakers though. Well that may answer why my Remedy sounds SOOOOO good through my 1x12 cab ;D
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 12, 2012 7:30:35 GMT -7
Nope, mine is a G12-65, the Creamback is a G12M-65, as in mmmmmmmmmmm! According to Celestion, the Creamback is a higher powered Greenback. Gotta say though, looking at the specs in detail, and the frequency response chart, there is barely any difference between the G12-65 and the G12M-65 - at least not as much as would cause me to swap them. In fact, there seems much more f a difference between the Creamback and the Greenback, at least on the chart anyway. Go figure.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 12, 2012 8:16:44 GMT -7
Nope, mine is a G12-65, the Creamback is a G12M-65, as in mmmmmmmmmmm! According to Celestion, the Creamback is a higher powered Greenback. Gotta say though, looking at the specs in detail, and the frequency response chart, there is barely any difference between the G12-65 and the G12M-65 - at least not as much as would cause me to swap them. In fact, there seems much more f a difference between the Creamback and the Greenback, at least on the chart anyway. Go figure. I wish Celestion would change the way they identify speakers. They ALL have G12 in there, so you have to pay real close attention.
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Post by John on Nov 12, 2012 8:17:31 GMT -7
Could it be that the new Creamback is the G12-65...with a smaller (traditional greenback) dustcap?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 8:26:05 GMT -7
^^^ It could, indeed.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 12, 2012 10:40:52 GMT -7
Well Celestion lists the G12-65 as having a Resonant Frequency of 85 Hz, while the Creamback and Greenback are both listed at 75 Hz, so they are not the same after all. Frequency Range is also different.
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Post by John on Nov 12, 2012 12:07:24 GMT -7
I checked with Dave @ Avatar speakers...he said he hopes to get a delivery of Creambacks in about 10 days.
dave always has the best prices on Celestions.
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Post by JSA61 on Nov 12, 2012 16:01:11 GMT -7
Nice job on the demos, Nigel. I'm assuming same settings for both.
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Post by markT on Nov 12, 2012 16:08:19 GMT -7
I checked with Dave @ Avatar speakers...he said he hopes to get a delivery of Creambacks in about 10 days. dave always has the best prices on Celestions. +1 on Dave's prices....and service!
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Nov 12, 2012 16:29:29 GMT -7
Nice job on the demos, Nigel. I'm assuming same settings for both. Thanks, I left everything same, except swapped the speaker from weber to Creamback. Same equip 100%. The only possible diff I can say is that I used guitar volume adjustment between rhythm & lead. Leads were both dimmed but of course the rhythm vol. settings could vary a little. But I dialed in the rhythm best I could. Setup was telecaster / remedy 20w/ 1x12 z cab closed. Remedy settings: B-10 M-1 T11 & Hi vol-1 Norm-vol 9 (o'clock) Airbrake at 4 LOUD for small room.
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Post by cheycaster on Nov 16, 2012 6:48:58 GMT -7
get thee behind me!!!!
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