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Post by pintail78 on Nov 12, 2010 20:25:54 GMT -7
Ive had 2 reverb maz 18's with different setups, and actually 3 maz 38's w reverb. I can say that the NR models are sooooo much different, I know this has been said before, but theres something about pulling off the extra preamp tube (in the 18) for the reverb that makes it much colder and more sterile. Really for me it was the difference of being an OK amp to being a frikkin great one, a favorite.....
I havent tried a maz 38 NR and dont know if its that much different, any experiences???
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Post by mikethebike500 on Nov 12, 2010 20:57:53 GMT -7
I owned a maz reverb for nine years, before having to let it go this summer...and just recently got a NR. I agree, they are different. My initial thoughts are that I'm setting the EQ alot more differently than I used to, but I haven't spent enough time with it yet, to find where my sweet spots are yet. ALOT more bass is what I'm hearing most right now, and I find it to be more quite running than my reverb model was.
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Post by mikethebike500 on Nov 12, 2010 20:58:57 GMT -7
oops, btw, mine is the 18 watt model
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 6:33:30 GMT -7
I never realized there was a tone difference in the two amps (NR vs R) until I tried a new reverb model at a music store this past summer. It was nice no question! I thought it sounded real nice overall but I did like the sound of mine better. My NR just seemed warmer, fuller, richer etc. I do have a different speaker in mine as well as a NOS rectifier so that could have been a lot of the difference I was hearing, plus this amp I tried was new, not even broke in yet...so there are some factors behind what I heard. Overall I would like both amps in my room but if I had to choose I guess I would be heading to the NR side of things. It's not about the gain for me, I have pedals to do that, I just found my NR to be much warmer and the notes had a little more "something" on them as well.
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Post by doctorice on Nov 13, 2010 6:40:25 GMT -7
Sitting down and listening to them side by side is on my "to do someday" list.
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Post by hairboy on Nov 13, 2010 17:34:13 GMT -7
That would be interesting
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Post by markT on Nov 14, 2010 7:31:40 GMT -7
I've never tried a reverb model, but from all I've learned here, I couldn't ask for a better sound than my NR.
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Post by BritInvasion on Nov 14, 2010 11:13:25 GMT -7
I use the Maz18Jr head (with reverb) and a 1x12 Z convertible cab. For the band I'm in , it's indispensable. Here's my take on the subject : With my rig right now , I easily get nice Fender blackface tone , even more easily Vox and with the right guitar and some nudging a pretty fair Marshall feel. Realistically , my next amp will be a MAZ 18 NR. (Keeping the Maz18 Jr/ verb as well) From what I've seen / heard , it seems the mix with the NR is : Vox , tweed Fender and some old school Marshall. It's a subtle but noticeable difference in the voices of these 2 fine amps , and with one of each you can cover some pretty serious tone territory. Just my 2 cents , IMHO etc.
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Post by Andy 67 on Nov 14, 2010 12:04:13 GMT -7
I have a Jr. R model, and a friend of mine has a Sr. 38 NR model (he got it after he'd heard mine!!!! ). once he came to play to my hometown and his Sr. NR head blew a recto, so I lent him my Jr. R. He said they are completely different amps, that he could not believe it was the same circuit... Well, I haven't tried his yet, and I'm dying to try erroskis' NR, so I hope I'll be able to post my impressions soon... Tons of tone!!
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Post by mrsooty on Nov 14, 2010 12:22:25 GMT -7
I love my Maz 18 with verb, and I like a bit of verb from time to time, so verb was a must have feature for me. I must admit though, I don't use as much verb as I used to. I would love to try out the NR model sometime and hear the differences. Hard to imagine finding a better amp for me than the Maz 18 w/verb though.
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Post by Scott on Nov 14, 2010 21:03:39 GMT -7
I can't say, as I only have played my NR Model (and love it), but this post has always stuck out in my mind: To verb or not to verb... My Maz story by Shelby003:ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=maz18&action=display&thread=34097Hey guys. I am a country classic rock tele/strat player. I have been chasing that modern country tone, Brent Mason/Brad Paisley, etc. In the past few years I have owned a Maz jr 2x10 w/reverb, Z28 nonverb, and a Maz jr 1x12 w/reverb. Let’s just say I have heard a lot of people play though the Maz jr’s and have absolutely loved there tone, but just haven’t been able to fall in love with one myself. The Z28 was a very nice amp but I really had to push it hard to get the thick mids to come out and it didn’t have that chimy EL84 sound to it. Our band is on IEM’s and has good stage volume and I hate to ruin our mix out front with a screaming guitar amp. I actually have went to using a shield to deflect some of the sound. Forgive me, I am a sound and lighting tech on my off weekends so I have great respect for a bands overall sound.
To make a long story short, yesterday I was going to trade off my 1x12 Maz w/verb, I had tried everything: different tubes, speakers, beam blockers, multiple guitars and pickup combinations, stomp boxes, pedal buffers, cables…etc. I never can push the amp without dumping the treble and high mids. Again, I have read through about every post on the forum to try and fix the problem. For the past few years I have tried to run the amp very clean and use pedals to get that B. Paisley sound…..least to say my ear hated it. For me that modern country tone is an overdriven tube amp sound….very difficult to emulate with a pedal, got to be able to push the amp. Anyways I plugged into a Heritage Vox Ac15 at our local music store….that was it sounded great….then for the heck of it I plugged into a Maz jr NON REVERB………….I am now done amp/tone shopping. I had to run home and grab my Maz reverb to A/B the two…….I was blown away, both are great sounding amps but the Non reverb model is way fatter, thicker mids and overall just sounds better with a telecaster. It was a true apples to apples comparison from the tubes to the speaker, everything but reverb tank. Again the reverb model is a great sounding amp but if you are fighting the high mids and highs go grab a non-reverb model. I threw in the celestion blue and gigged it for the first time last night…….BLOWN AWAY! Best decision I have made in years! I tried multiple pedals and none of them sounded bad. I found myself using the barber ltd to add a little more dirt and a Fulltone OCD on 18v for some heavier stuff.
Just my 2 cents! Also this rather shocking thread...Love my Maz 18/ hate my Maz 38 by BluesDude7:ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Maz38&action=display&thread=31450Hi, pretty bold statement I know but I 've been playing my Maz 18 Jr. 1x12 combo for around 4-5 years now and it has changed my life. I've been in tone bliss with my strat playing blues. I needed more headroom for some bigger gigs and Dr.Z told me its a no brainer, just buy a 38, same amp, more power. So I bought a 38 1x12 combo on ebay in great shape, and didn't like the sound. came with a tone tubby hempcone. So I ordered a complete new set of tubes, exactly what Dr. Z layed out on they're website, sounded the same. Loaded in a Celestion Gold, sounded the same, I don't like it. My Maz 18 Jr. sounds way warmer with bigger bottom end, it has a G12-H Anniversery. I hooked that speaker up to the 38 still sounds like a SS rect. as apposed to a tube rectifier or something. My Maz 18 sounds way better. But I need more headroom on many gigs. very frustrated. I'm thinking maybe just try a more powerful speaker in my 18, may push it up a fair bit maybe. any thought much appreciated. It's these type of posts that just make me think the NR Jr. is just Special. But I'm sure the Reverb Model is an outstanding amp too... Again, I can't say. Sitting down and listening to them side by side is on my "to do someday" list. I would value your opinion above most. I'd love to see you post on the matter some day...
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Post by Jericho on Nov 15, 2010 13:50:34 GMT -7
That's it. I can't take it anymore I have both a Maz Jr/Sr w/ Reverb. I'm gonna pull the trigger and get an 18NR Head I'll tube them up the same and A/B them. Will take a few weeks to get one. I can always just sell the one I like 2nd best and get a chunk of the $$ back. Just thinking of it like spending a few hundered to finally put the question to rest (for me) permanently. Or I'll just get stuck with the world's best back up to whichever ends up being my favorite! If The NR beats my R on the Jr, I'll assume it will be the same for the Sr and deal with that later. I just HAVE to know. *** Modified *** Order in, 6 weeks till arrival... Merry Christmas to me!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 15, 2010 15:22:32 GMT -7
That's it. I can't take it anymore I have both a Maz Jr/Sr w/ Reverb. I'm gonna pull the trigger and get an 18NR Head I'll tube them up the same and A/B them. Will take a few weeks to get one. I can always just sell the one I like 2nd best and get a chunk of the $$ back. Just thinking of it like spending a few hundered to finally put the question to rest (for me) permanently. Or I'll just get stuck with the world's best back up to whichever ends up being my favorite! If The NR beats my R on the Jr, I'll assume it will be the same for the Sr and deal with that later. I just HAVE to know. *** Modified *** Order in, 6 weeks till arrival... Merry Christmas to me! You're hard core!
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Post by oakvillain on Nov 15, 2010 17:04:50 GMT -7
Aww jeeez fellas, I'm looking to buy a used unit and now you guys have me questionning wether or not to buy a reverb or NR unit. I love my reverb. I play a strat and love the chimy tones but now it sounds like the NR unit is better for this sound?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 17:23:24 GMT -7
Aww jeeez fellas, I'm looking to buy a used unit and now you guys have me questionning wether or not to buy a reverb or NR unit. I love my reverb. I play a strat and love the chimy tones but now it sounds like the NR unit is better for this sound? Hey oakvillain, I don't think you can go wrong with either choice...seriously! The first Maz Jr I ever tried was a reverb model! I absolutely melted over the tone! So much so I sold some gear just to get my Z....for me I ended up with the NR model cause I got a deal I could not refuse and GAS was pounding me hard and to be honest I never knew there was a difference in the two til I got reading more on this board... I got it used as well and I really can't say that I miss onboard 'verb(my previous amp was a Twin Reverb Reissue)...I use a delay sometimes to give me some ambience. But honestly, if you can score a used Maz in either a reverb or non reverb model you WILL NOT be disappointed at all my friend
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 15, 2010 19:47:46 GMT -7
I'll second that. There are many very pleased owners of reverb models here on the board. VERY pleased.
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Post by Jericho on Nov 15, 2010 20:34:51 GMT -7
You're hard core! [/quote] Yeah I am a Z addict for sure. I just couldn't stand not knowing anymore if I'd be happier with an NR. There's no such thing as a "bad" Z amp. I reached a point in my life where tone piece of mind is a valued possession. It was inevitable that I was going to need to hear them side by side so I figured just get it over with. It'll sit on my credit card for 2 months and then Income Tax will take care of it. Why wait till March for happiness?!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 15, 2010 20:42:16 GMT -7
Yeah I am a Z addict for sure. I just couldn't stand not knowing anymore if I'd be happier with an NR. There's no such thing as a "bad" Z amp. I reached a point in my life where tone piece of mind is a valued possession. It was inevitable that I was going to need to hear them side by side so I figured just get it over with. It'll sit on my credit card for 2 months and then Income Tax will take care of it. Why wait till March for happiness?! Well since I have owned an even dozen Z amps over the last five years, I am not one to admonish. Hope you find out what you set out to find out - I bet you like both, for different reasons.
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Post by Eddie on Nov 15, 2010 21:04:39 GMT -7
I had a friend come over a couple years ago with his NR head. We plugged it into the speaker (Greenback) in my MAZ 18 Reverb combo, and it was quite noticeably fatter, warmer, punchier than my MAZ Reverb through the same speaker/ cabinet. I still love my reverb model and I am thrilled with the level of punch/ fatness it dishes out _at stage volumes_ but the scales tip in favor of the non-verb for anyone that wants a MAZ with the most in-your-face tone at any volume. IMO.
Still, I love reaching back and cranking the verb up during airy tunes when I'm going to solo. Spacious!
Peace, Eddie
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Post by oakvillain on Nov 15, 2010 22:11:22 GMT -7
thanks Mark.
Is the reverb like a Fender or much more subtle? I have a Blues Jr with a Jensen and love the tone with reverb on 4-5 and the pup selector on #2 in my strat. I think I can significantly improve upon it with a Dr. Z Maz Jr. but may need a reverb pedal to get the reverb.
Thoughts?
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Post by mrsooty on Nov 16, 2010 0:11:29 GMT -7
I'll second that. There are many very pleased owners of reverb models here on the board. VERY pleased. Such as me. I've had mine for a year now and still have that excited new amp buzz. Compare that with the Fender DRRI I had previously where I agonisingly waited for the 12 months interest free finance deal I had to finish so that I could move it on. Definitely less 'splashy' than the Blues Jr reverb, more subtle, but plenty nice. There's a bit of verb on this clip if it helps: Honestly, this is how happy I am with my Maz Jr with Verb. Last night I was meant to be playing at a church service. Some people were supposed to be picking up my gear from my place, and then picking me up from work, but all did not go as planned, and they were running very late. I work at a guitar shop (that doesn't stock Z's ), so I thought perhaps I could just throw a bit of a makeshift rig together for this service, borrowing some gear from work to save us having to go all the way back to my house again. I had at my disposal Fender's (including a Blues Jr and Blues Deville), 3 new Oranges, and just about every model of Vox you can imagine. Well after trying a few quick rigs, I thought 'this just isn't going to work', and insisted we went home to get my Z, adding an extra half hour to our trip. This meant I was an hour late to soundcheck, but at least I got to use my favourite amp. What can we learn from this? 1: Don't hire me in your band, because I'm a tad neurotic, and 2: Get a Maz.
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Post by Sdan on Nov 16, 2010 1:15:27 GMT -7
I'll second that. There are many very pleased owners of reverb models here on the board. VERY pleased. One here!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 5:24:26 GMT -7
thanks Mark. Is the reverb like a Fender or much more subtle? I have a Blues Jr with a Jensen and love the tone with reverb on 4-5 and the pup selector on #2 in my strat. I think I can significantly improve upon it with a Dr. Z Maz Jr. but may need a reverb pedal to get the reverb. Thoughts? I agree with Mr Sooty, it's a bit more subtle than a Fender reverb but once you plug in, you will forget all about your Blues Junior...The Maz did that do me with my Twin Reverb, I didn't want to play it at all after I tried out the Z!
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Post by Andy 67 on Nov 16, 2010 6:40:13 GMT -7
I'll second that. There are many very pleased owners of reverb models here on the board. VERY pleased. One here! You can count on me too!!!!! Tons of tone!!
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Post by BritInvasion on Nov 16, 2010 19:29:33 GMT -7
One here! You can count on me too!!!!! Tons of tone!! Triple that!
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Post by BritInvasion on Nov 16, 2010 19:31:00 GMT -7
I Still, I love reaching back and cranking the verb up during airy tunes when I'm going to solo. Spacious! Peace, Eddie Well said Eddie , I like the way you describe that. Cool
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Post by surfhard on Nov 17, 2010 14:50:30 GMT -7
I'm another happy Maz 18 Jr. reverb owner. However I'm slowly getting weened off reverb amps now that I have a Remedy. Would love to try out the Maz 18 NR in person. I can't hear a big difference on the videos on the Dr Z site.
Anyway, all you NR guys keep the smack talk coming!
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Post by zorange (Zach) on Nov 24, 2010 21:59:45 GMT -7
I'm a new owner of the JR NR version. I tried both out at the shop. I'm pretty glad I went with the NR version based on the overall feel of the amp. Seems more fitting for my playing in a worship band. It took my pedals with open arms unlike the reverb version. BUT the JR w/reverb did sound pretty sweet as well. Needless to say, both are 10000000x better than my old orange rockerverb. ;D Future buyers: you gotta play both to understand...reading is only the beginning of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2010 5:07:15 GMT -7
Hey zorange! Welcome to the world of Dr Z! Congrats on your new amp! You will love it here and love that amp even more! Looking forward to hearing more from you
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Post by jed1952 on Nov 25, 2010 9:48:42 GMT -7
Welcome zorange! By any chance did you get your Maz Jr from Eddie's Guitars? Jim
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