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Post by nmz on Jan 16, 2015 13:16:58 GMT -7
Pulled out the Remedy the other night and finally dropped a 5751 into V3. Wow, amazing how much I dig it! Helped quite a bit with the top end fizz that some have commented about. Never an issue with me but I could hear what those people were getting at. Also dropped a reissue Mullard in V1 just because I had it laying around.
I came across a thread where Myles suggested it a few years back but never got around to swapping it. I've been spending most of my time with the Therapy but sometimes certain situations call for a Remedy!
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Post by JeffG on Jan 18, 2015 11:22:37 GMT -7
I'm thinking about doing what you did with the 5751 to get rid of some of the fizz. What brand did you use?
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Jan 18, 2015 14:45:10 GMT -7
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Post by nmz on Jan 18, 2015 14:45:10 GMT -7
NOS GE, I do not think it was anything too exotic. Let me know what you think!
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Post by iluvpunz on Jan 19, 2015 6:52:36 GMT -7
I've been using an NOS 5751 in my Remedy for a while. It's a great tube for that amp.
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Post by JeffG on Jan 19, 2015 9:10:28 GMT -7
After I saw this thread I went back and read some old threads on different tubes in the preamp section. I'm going to order some tubes today and will report back. Thanks!
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Post by JeffG on Jan 31, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -7
Can I be so boneheaded to ask you guys which is V1, V2, and V3 on the amp? If I'm looking at the back of the amp, is V1 on the far left and V3 closest to the power tubes? I got some new preamp tubes to try but wanted to double check before I started doing anything.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Jan 31, 2015 21:50:06 GMT -7
^^^ yessir!
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Post by iluvpunz on Jan 31, 2015 22:44:07 GMT -7
Yes, V1 is farthest away from the power tubes.
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Post by JeffG on Jan 31, 2015 23:07:42 GMT -7
Thanks. I'm excited to crank it up tomorrow!
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Post by John on Feb 1, 2015 15:03:34 GMT -7
Yes, V1 is farthest away from the power tubes. On Z amps...and most other amps: V1= closest to input jack Phase inverter= closest to power tubes.
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Feb 1, 2015 17:25:59 GMT -7
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Post by ericatunc on Feb 1, 2015 17:25:59 GMT -7
I would really like to try this, does it matter which 5751? JJ?
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Post by iluvpunz on Feb 1, 2015 21:16:44 GMT -7
I would really like to try this, does it matter which 5751? JJ? The only one I've tried is the GE NOS that is still in the amp. Don't know about the JJ. I tend to use NOS for my preamp tubes because I never have to replace them again.
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Post by nmz on Feb 1, 2015 21:28:40 GMT -7
I would really like to try this, does it matter which 5751? JJ? Nope, any should work.
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Post by ericatunc on Feb 2, 2015 10:18:16 GMT -7
Thanks! Going to order one now.
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Post by JeffG on Feb 7, 2015 19:18:57 GMT -7
So I did it and I have to admit that I'm not impressed with the results. I didn't do a before and after recording but to my ears, not much has changed.
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Feb 8, 2015 15:26:16 GMT -7
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Post by nmz on Feb 8, 2015 15:26:16 GMT -7
So I did it and I have to admit that I'm not impressed with the results. I didn't do a before and after recording but to my ears, not much has changed. Drag, worked great for me. Played it the other night with the band and I really dug it.
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Post by JeffG on Feb 9, 2015 8:45:18 GMT -7
So I did it and I have to admit that I'm not impressed with the results. I didn't do a before and after recording but to my ears, not much has changed. Drag, worked great for me. Played it the other night with the band and I really dug it. I'm going to keep fiddling and maybe do some recording differences. I have an inkling that it's this one guitar I'm using and not the amp though, although I'll know more when I get one of my mainstay guitars back from the shop.
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Post by ericatunc on Feb 9, 2015 15:04:25 GMT -7
I'm a little confused now, especially after reading some other threads. In a few other threads, they mention putting a 5751 in V1, which is closest to the input jack, if I recall correctly. And here, we're talking about putting a 5751 in V3, which is closest to the power tubes. Do I have that right?
I put a 5751 in V3 (closest to power tubes) and don't notice that much of a difference. Maybe I should be putting it in V1?
JeffG and nmz, where did you put yours? Maybe that's why I person likes it and the other doesn't.
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Post by nmz on Feb 9, 2015 15:43:49 GMT -7
I'm a little confused now, especially after reading some other threads. In a few other threads, they mention putting a 5751 in V1, which is closest to the input jack, if I recall correctly. And here, we're talking about putting a 5751 in V3, which is closest to the power tubes. Do I have that right? I put a 5751 in V3 (closest to power tubes) and don't notice that much of a difference. Maybe I should be putting it in V1? JeffG and nmz, where did you put yours? Maybe that's why I person likes it and the other doesn't. V3, and it is not going to "change" the amp but it did help smooth it out some. I did replace the V1 as well with a RI mullard I had laying around.
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2015 15:48:23 GMT -7
Yes, you have your tubes identified correctly.
For decades, it's been known...when it comes to a plexi type amp....to put a 5751 in V1. Now this is back in the day when you turned those amps up loud. Because a lot of the time, you didn't go through the pa. The whole idea was to push the power tubes without overdriving the preamp tubes so much. Pushed power tubes give you that cool sensitivity and dynamics. But using a 5751 in V1 allowed you to do it without max distortion of the preamp. Don't get me wrong, the amp will still distort.
Try taking the back off the Remedy, and go back and forth between the 5751 and the 12ax7.
Personally, I've never heard of people using 5751 in the PI. Not that it can't/couldn't be done....just never heard of people doing it.
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Post by nmz on Feb 9, 2015 15:50:50 GMT -7
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Post by nmz on Feb 9, 2015 16:25:18 GMT -7
Yes, you have your tubes identified correctly. For decades, it's been known...when it comes to a plexi type amp....to put a 5751 in V1. Now this is back in the day when you turned those amps up loud. Because a lot of the time, you didn't go through the pa. The whole idea was to push the power tubes without overdriving the preamp tubes so much. Pushed power tubes give you that cool sensitivity and dynamics. But using a 5751 in V1 allowed you to do it without max distortion of the preamp. Don't get me wrong, the amp will still distort. Try taking the back off the Remedy, and go back and forth between the 5751 and the 12ax7. Personally, I've never heard of people using 5751 in the PI. Not that it can't/couldn't be done....just never heard of people doing it. Funny, you did chime in on the thread I came across.
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Post by ericatunc on Feb 9, 2015 18:21:02 GMT -7
Yes, that's the one I was referring to.
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Post by JeffG on Feb 9, 2015 21:58:56 GMT -7
I have the 5751 in V3 because I thought I'd read somewhere in a thread on this forum (or a link in a thread) that the PI is the most important in terms of tone. Maybe Myles?? I can't remember.
Anyway, I'm going to try to throw it into V1 and see if that makes much of a difference.
Maybe a strange/terrible question. What would throwing a 12AT7 in V1, V2, or V3 do? Is that a bad idea?
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Post by iluvpunz on Feb 9, 2015 22:20:49 GMT -7
V1 is where I have the the 5751 in my Remedy. I've tried a 12AT7 in all three positions and didn't like the results. I've tried some other tubes in V3 also and went back to the stock tube. The 57571 NOS in V1 didn't change the tone or anything else but the lower gain of the tube gave me more clean headroom and that was what I was looking for.
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Post by nmz on Feb 9, 2015 23:59:33 GMT -7
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Post by ericatunc on Feb 10, 2015 5:54:11 GMT -7
Nice! Thanks for the link. So he does say the PI position (V1) for a 5751.
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Feb 10, 2015 8:13:52 GMT -7
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Post by nmz on Feb 10, 2015 8:13:52 GMT -7
Nice! Thanks for the link. So he does say the PI position (V1) for a 5751. Sorry it can be found in page 77 (I edited the link).
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Post by JeffG on Feb 10, 2015 9:58:36 GMT -7
Thanks for the link nmz. Tons of good info there. It seems that some people like the 5751 in V1 although Myles recommends it for the PI (V3). I'm just going to play around with it.
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