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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 19:22:53 GMT -7
I wonder how this would hold up after schlepping it in and out of the Jeep 150 times a year? Hmm...seems like metal corners serve a good purpose. Yep , was thinking the same. Don't know about anyone else, but.......if I pay 3.5K for a rig......(or a guitar(& I have)) The first muthahummer that scratches it.....SON!!!! Bullets WILL be involved. That's why Susan @ studio slips, gives us a discount. If it gets trashed.....it's pretty much...... your own damn fault. NOT a consideration w/me. juss sayin'............
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Post by bluzman on Jul 5, 2010 19:24:09 GMT -7
Studio Slips or Road Case?
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 5, 2010 19:36:07 GMT -7
How many guys have paid 2500.00 for a Grosh Awe man, did you have to bring that up? I guess I have to order up a $3500 amp now. Crap!!! Seriously I don't think that dollar amount is out of the question for a set piece like a Z Wreck. I really have a fancy for another brand's $3200 amp, but seriously doubt that I'll ever come off the money for it. More so when you combine the idea that I'm addicted to a clean and dirty amp set up and my drummer is four years old. You should have seen the new Grosh model Beej was showing at Z-Fest....WOW....One of the best Groshes I've played... Electrajet VT.
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Post by taswegian on Jul 5, 2010 19:39:36 GMT -7
I would suggest that is an exceptionally fair price for that amp and cab. Doc could probably make some quick money selling this at a more inflated price because there are people out there that have the dough, and collectors will be all over it with the Ken connection, probably more so if it cost $8000-$10 000.
The fact that a very high end piece of gear is still within reasonable reach of working musicians is somewhat noble in my book.
Kudos Doc.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 19:46:46 GMT -7
I would suggest that is an exceptionally fair price for that amp and cab. Doc could probably make some quick money selling this at a more inflated price because there are people out there that have the dough, and collectors will be all over it with the Ken connection, probably more so if it cost $8000-$10 000. The fact that a very high end piece of gear is still within reasonable reach of working musicians is somewhat noble in my book. Kudos Doc. Pretty much what I've been skreemin'. Thx for putting into words that all can understand, Jaye. Champagne Jam, anyone?
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Post by twangsta on Jul 5, 2010 19:59:10 GMT -7
Nice thread, good price. The longer and harder it is to come up with the cash the sweeter it is. In my case it's more about avoiding customs and logistics. Hmmm.... not sure what I need more, this amp or a great tele. Good think I have plenty of time to find out
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Post by DSauls89 on Jul 5, 2010 21:04:39 GMT -7
Yeah. about the grey tolex... Im not really digging it. I still think this would have looked best in white w/ black control & piping. AS well as a Black Grille with a Gold Z logo and gold hardware (screws, bolts/lugs handle caps) so what if white shows dirt. I would hope you guys buy a case for it and keep it wiped down well for a 3500 dollar investment. You really wanna show class? Go with this sort of white set up. then cut it on to let it say "Class". (IMO)
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Post by fastfrets (Bob) on Jul 5, 2010 23:12:46 GMT -7
This is a stellar sounding rig and I know I will have to find a way to get one. You can hear each string in chord and it has a tonal richness like a grand piano. Me WANT!
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 6, 2010 2:45:27 GMT -7
I would hope you guys buy a case for it and keep it wiped down well for a 3500 dollar investment. You really wanna show class? Go with this sort of white set up. then cut it on to let it say "Class". (IMO) Investment? Investment in tone? Or investment as something for later? My guess is I would keep her covered about as well as I keep my current amps covered. The answer is most of the time, but some times they go a week when I'm in and out of them constantly. Heck my Swart set up $2700 in 5watt amps. They have become just another great sounding amp to me. Would guess the Z-wreck would end up being the same on the b*tch-level meter. Yeah Phil I have been considering a EJ VT they look very cool!!!! DAVE
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Post by DSauls89 on Jul 6, 2010 4:36:15 GMT -7
yeah def. an investment in tone. When i was talking about keeping it covered up i was refering to an earlier comment someone posted about gigging it and it possibly getting scratched and scuffed
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Post by prspastor on Jul 6, 2010 4:57:35 GMT -7
I read TRock's post a little wrong. I thought it was $3500 for the head and then you must add on for the cab. It was the + sign that threw me.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 6, 2010 4:59:48 GMT -7
yeah def. an investment in tone. When i was talking about keeping it covered up i was refering to an earlier comment someone posted about gigging it and it possibly getting scratched and scuffed I don't want to speak for the Doc, but.... I'll bet Doc thinks along the lines of Ken Fischer, who wanted his amps to be out there making music, not sitting in a case in someone's collection. That's kind of the whole point of spending countless hours perfecting the tone and feel of an amp: for a player to play and enjoy and make music for an audience to enjoy.
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Post by Don on Jul 6, 2010 6:06:11 GMT -7
PRS Anniversary Dragon Sapphire Smoke Burst ... $20,000
Alessandro Instrument 20 foot pro cable ... $1995.95
a pair of Celestion Alnico Gold guitar speakers ... $650.00
Starpics Gibeon meteorite guitar pick ... $4674.00
Dr Z Amps ZWreck amplifier ............ Priceless
There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's CreditCard!
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Post by fishman on Jul 6, 2010 6:27:10 GMT -7
I am like a dog chasing Z's, I have already caught 5 , released 3 and kept 2. If I were in the market for this style amp I would have no problem paying the cost. I really like what I have now....the problem as I see it is to be satisfied with what I have not always what I think I want... I did that already and came back to the original picks.... it is sorta like phil said with the ferrari thing but for me the real question is do I need a ferrari to go to the mini-mart....No I don;t but I would sure like to see em break their necks when I pull up in that ferrari.... just because I can;t paint like Rembrant does not mean that I should not paint....all it boils down to is different tools......just my half-baked opinion..... I will no doubt want one as bad as the next guy but I did this with an amp and it was a great amp but I came back to my MAZ38......lets see what develops as we move along ......I am becoming a big fan of 'if it works for me, then leave it ALONE:"
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Jul 6, 2010 6:30:06 GMT -7
Yep , was thinking the same. Don't know about anyone else, but.......if I pay 3.5K for a rig......(or a guitar(& I have)) The first muthahummer that scratches it.....SON!!!! Bullets WILL be involved. That's why Susan @ studio slips, gives us a discount. If it gets trashed.....it's pretty much...... your own damn fault. NOT a consideration w/me. juss sayin'............ I don't think I would shoot someone for scratching my amp.
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Jul 6, 2010 6:39:54 GMT -7
I would hope you guys buy a case for it and keep it wiped down well for a 3500 dollar investment. As someone who plays just shy of 100 gigs a year as an "amateur semi-pro weekend warrior regional band hobbyist" , the idea of road cases and wiping down an amp is just not practical...and almost laughable when I think about some of the load in/load out situations I've been in. While I certainly don't abuse my gear - in fact I take better care of my gear than many other gigging players I know - I know from experience that it is simply not practical to expect that a speaker cabinet is going to stay in good shape considering that it's being moved so much. The corner protectors are on most amps for a reason. Not trying to start a 'thing' here about the Z Wreck. Just making an observation based on my own humble experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 6:47:00 GMT -7
Soft covers are plenty practical. I've got amps that have been bounced around for years. They may be dusty or have a beer ring or two on 'em but the black ones and tweed ones don't have metal corners and thanks to the Studio Slips/Tuki covers they are all in great shape.
The Z-Wreck has some mighty cool stuff in it including the unique to this particular amp Transformer with the 2 position response switch.
I think Doc's plan for this rig is great.
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Post by Bill on Jul 6, 2010 6:58:14 GMT -7
Looks like the ultimate Dr Z package to date. Exclusivity, among other things considered, a very fair price IMO. I played a couple Komets recently with the 2 position response switch called fast/ gradual, which I'm assuming the Wreck is similar to. As a hard core 1x12 guy...wonder if I wait long enough?...
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 6, 2010 7:11:05 GMT -7
Don't know about anyone else, but.......if I pay 3.5K for a rig......(or a guitar(& I have)) The first muthahummer that scratches it.....SON!!!! Bullets WILL be involved. That's why Susan @ studio slips, gives us a discount. If it gets trashed.....it's pretty much...... your own damn fault. NOT a consideration w/me. juss sayin'............ I don't think I would shoot someone for scratching my amp. Given your penchant for all things non-gun....that does not surprise me. I, however, wud STRONGLY consider it w/a $3500 rig..or at the VERY least, put a size 12, FIRMLY, up their arse!!!!! juss sayin'.......& yes......I DO read your posts. Again......SEE AVATAR......nuff said? ?
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Post by Mostrummer on Jul 6, 2010 7:18:46 GMT -7
I think its very fair when I consider that:
Current pricing on my MAZ 2 x 12 with blues, brakelite and hardwood = $2875
The cost of Gibson guitars these days (LP's and Es models) can be right around this much.
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Post by jhumber on Jul 6, 2010 7:27:37 GMT -7
I think that is the purpose - to keep it to a very limited audience. Looks like the ultimate Dr Z package to date. Exclusivity.... Ok, apologies if I've missed a sarcasm alert (and as I said earlier in the thread, I'm not complaining at all about the price) but something feels a bit wrong here. When has Dr Z been about limited audiences and exclusivity? I thought the whole deal was about building market-leading amps at prices that most people could actually get. Certainly here in the UK the Z-range sits below (for the most part) the Marshall valve amps, and WAY WAY below the likes of Two-Rock, Victoria, Boogies MkIVs etc. Did I miss something fundamental?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 7:41:54 GMT -7
Yep , was thinking the same. Don't know about anyone else, but.......if I pay 3.5K for a rig......(or a guitar(& I have)) The first muthahummer that scratches it.....SON!!!! Bullets WILL be involved. That's why Susan @ studio slips, gives us a discount. If it gets trashed.....it's pretty much...... your own damn fault. NOT a consideration w/me. juss sayin'............ I know your just jokin right??? No law abiding gun owner would shoot someone unless their life or a life of a loved one was being threatened. Besides we all know if you bring your gear out on a gig. Sooner or later you'll get that first dent!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 7:43:08 GMT -7
Awe man, did you have to bring that up? I guess I have to order up a $3500 amp now. Crap!!! Seriously I don't think that dollar amount is out of the question for a set piece like a Z Wreck. I really have a fancy for another brand's $3200 amp, but seriously doubt that I'll ever come off the money for it. More so when you combine the idea that I'm addicted to a clean and dirty amp set up and my drummer is four years old. You should have seen the new Grosh model Beej was showing at Z-Fest....WOW....One of the best Groshes I've played... Electrajet VT. Yeah the VT is cool. Did it actually still sound like a tele??
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Post by Norrin Radd on Jul 6, 2010 8:51:17 GMT -7
All right all right all right. Enough of the gun debate - we're getting dangerously close to breaking the rules, IMO!
Can't we just celebrate this awesome amplifier? Sure - there was a question about cost - truth is, for some it's a lot and for others - not so much. That's the case with everything in life though. Just because it's expensive (and that is definitely a relative term!), doesn't mean it's overpriced. In fact - I'd argue it's extremely reasonably priced - even though I can't afford one easily. Or maybe at all! ;D We'll see.
I think all the questions regarding corners/price/gigging/collecting are quite interesting. We all come from different stations in life - both financially, musically & philosophically (one of the reasons I love living in the USA!) - and those factors affect how we might acquire one of these beauties and what we might do with it.
See me, I'm in the "If I own it it's going to be used and used hard!" camp. That's a combination of my limited financial resources and my philosophical attitude towards all music gear. And it's completely okay that you may feel differently than I do. Chances are your comments may or may not influence my buying/using/collecting such a piece. And that's good too.
I like the open discourse I associate with this forum. It has a congeniality that is hard to find anywhere else on the net - and don't even get me started on the incredible depth of knowledge in all things guitar and amplifier related. I mean, what an amazing resource this place is! So please guys, let's make sure we stay congenial and respect that we all have different ideas about not just amps and guitars, but everything else as well. The only thing that really makes us all identical is the love of excellent tone produced by the doc's amps - and that's reason enough to get together and enjoy discussing them. (I can't believe I've turned this int a Bill & Ted post! - you know: "Be excellent to each other - and post on, dudes!" ;D)
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 6, 2010 9:16:00 GMT -7
Yeah well when I get mine I'm gonna use it, abuse it, and treat it like a very *friendly* person. Heck I'm gonna make a video of me kicking it over and post it here so everyone knows I'm the most hard core Z-Wreck owner in the world!!!!!!!
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Post by dock66 on Jul 6, 2010 9:22:54 GMT -7
Does Doc offer any other colors than Grey? Perhaps some nice cabs made by Harvey could be an option?
JB
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Post by DSauls89 on Jul 6, 2010 11:39:22 GMT -7
I would definatley use it as well. I like the point our z- brother brought up about "If I own it it's going to be used and used hard!" thats me too. I just like the idea of amp cases. plus they look super cool. sorry if anything I said came off with A negative vibe. I never meant it too. I tend to be a neat freak. so i like evrything super clean and new looking. Im one of those dudes that twist-ties all of his cables topgether to keep them uniform and is constantly unplugging to straighten the twist and twirls out of the instrument cables. Its just my nature. speaking of cases i need to get one for the Jr. And since we're all broke.... lets race to see who gets a Z-Wreck first lol!
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Jul 6, 2010 12:27:19 GMT -7
I don't think I would shoot someone for scratching my amp. Given your penchant for all things non-gun....that does not surprise me. I, however, wud STRONGLY consider it w/a $3500 rig..or at the VERY least, put a size 12, FIRMLY, up their arse!!!!! juss sayin'.......& yes......I DO read your posts. Again......SEE AVATAR......nuff said? ? Cheers to you too sir. Have a great day. By the way, those little animated icons like I included in my response up there are meant to show lightheartedness (that means not completely serious) in the reply.
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Post by countrydave70 on Jul 6, 2010 13:59:58 GMT -7
Hope it doesn't end up being a ltd edition short shelf life thing. $3500 plus import to the UK means big £'s over here. I aint gonna get that kinda money for a looong while, but WILL be saving. The grey does look ok but when Brad came over here his was in Surf Green, now that would make me save a little harder (sorry, kids I know you haven't eaten this week, but look - it's Surf Green, mmm).
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Post by detuned on Jul 6, 2010 14:00:05 GMT -7
I suppose if you had a $20,000 (heck, even a $2500) guitar, a $3500 amp would be a no-brainer.
Unfortunately I don't have it like that. Even if I sold my other amps (which I'm sorely tempted to do), I'd still be looking at raising another $1500 (bearing the current market in mind). That's really hard to do in this economy - for me. YMMV.
I don't have a beef with the price - worth every penny & then some, I'm sure, given the quality of the Doc's work. But it doesn't look good for me, & I'm a little bummed by that.
If there was a way to purchase the head only, I could probably do that, & make so with my current cab until I could afford the upgrade, but $3500 is a lot to swing right now.
:-(
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p.s. Don't shoot me! I'm just the messenger! ;-)
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