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Post by DSauls89 on Jul 5, 2010 10:01:01 GMT -7
Did doc ever mention anything about that at Z-Fest. So we know what it sounds like. Its The amp of the century. just wondering how long imma need to save for this thing.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 5, 2010 10:21:58 GMT -7
20 sheckles...unless you haggle.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 10:24:41 GMT -7
Around $3500 for head + 2x12 cab w/Blue-Gold. The cab itself is a work of art. No metal/plastic corners.
Worth every cent.
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Post by prspastor on Jul 5, 2010 11:27:45 GMT -7
I think I just got priced out of this one...
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 5, 2010 11:31:50 GMT -7
I think that is the purpose - to keep it to a very limited audience.
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 5, 2010 12:04:32 GMT -7
Around $3500 for head + 2x12 cab w/Blue-Gold. The cab itself is a work of art. No metal/plastic corners. Worth every cent. So is the talk around the Z-land that they are only gonna be released as sets? Are you saying the cabs are hard wood cabs or just standard Z-gear? Is it really $1000 better than a Ray? Intant responce would be I've never liked EL-84 amps enough to spend that amount on one. I bet I'd be better served by a EZG and a Remedy w/ a 4x10 for the same money. Can't waite for you guys to get yours so we can see what they sound like. Two vids so far and I still have no idea what this amp sounds like.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 12:17:25 GMT -7
1K better than any other Z? Can't speak for anyone else, but.. ...the tone I was getting, was from outer space, man.
Anything I wanted, with just a roll of the guitar vol knob, plugged straight in.
Doc did say..."This is the Lexus, in my Toyota line. All the finest parts available, put together in a unique fashion".
So far, yes....just a set. The speeks in the cab sell for almost $600. A stock Z 2x12 is close to $400(empty). $2500 for a head that is far beyond what anyone is is making? All of a sudden, it's not such a stretch past a "Ray" head/combo...is it?
As for the EL84 thing....it sounds much more like an EL34/EL84/6V6/6L6 hybrid to me.
When you look at what you're getting, it's still a great deal (IMO). Priced a Two Rock/Trainwreck/Dumble(head) lately?
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Post by aaronbarnes on Jul 5, 2010 12:32:41 GMT -7
was hoping for a head-only option, but I'll take it however it comes. just have to scratch up the dough.....
it is going to be released at a really bad time of year for me, with Christmas to consider for the family and winter being the slow time for the cabinet business that I'm in.......
Hopefully it won't be a limited run after all this work-up to get them going.
I don't have a problem with them being expensive. I think they should be. Doc has alot of time and heart invested in this circuit, and there are historical factors that come into play that don't happen with other amps.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 5, 2010 13:30:43 GMT -7
Is it really $1000 better than a Ray? The answer, in my honest opinion, is an unqualified "yes". When I ask myself a question like "Is that Canon 1D Mark IV ($5000) really that much better than the Canon 7D ($1699), which probably does at least 90% of that the 1D can do...I gotta wonder. With the Z Wreck, however... you're looking at a collaboration between two of the greatest amp designers ever and one of the best guitarists we've ever seen. The Stangray itself is a phenomenal amp (it wins every amp shootout Don and I have) but the Wreck really is on another level, and it's 35% more than a similarly equipped Ray w/ Blues, and it's got the upgraded cab construction compared to the regular Z line. When you think that right now if you *have* to have that authentic "Trainwreck" kind of tone and response, your options are pretty limited...and real 'Wrecks go for tens of thousands of dollars. I'll tell you that as good as those videos I took sound, it's nothing like hearing it in person, or for that matter actually playing it. It's the difference in watching a guy drive a Ferrari on TV, vs. seeing a guy in person drive said Ferrari, vs. actually getting to own and drive it for yourself. There's nothing else like it readily available...and I know more than one amp builder who would charge a LOT more for something like this.
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Post by jimmysmith on Jul 5, 2010 13:48:21 GMT -7
well, don grosh has a guitar and amp set that, when i heard the price, i knew i could never own one,,and, unless i inherit a couple hundred grand, i will enjoy other folks playin a z-wreck from afar.
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Post by Surreal McCoy on Jul 5, 2010 13:49:34 GMT -7
20 sheckles...unless you haggle. I don't care who you are, that's funny.
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Post by countrybilly83 (Ty) on Jul 5, 2010 13:53:47 GMT -7
The Z-wreck sounds like a great amp that will be a legend...
Do you think it will make the rest of the Z line go up in price?? I hope not the Doc makes so great amps that are affordable for players and not collectors or big name guys like the Two Rock's, Carol Ann, ect.. Even Bad Cat, and Matchless are a bit high for normal guys...
I still prefer Z's over anything else...
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 13:57:23 GMT -7
well, don grosh has a guitar and amp set that, when i heard the price, i knew i could never own one,,and, unless i inherit a couple hundred grand, i will enjoy other folks playin a z-wreck from afar. James Raymond... juss sell a cpl them Nash's......you got it covered.
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Post by DSauls89 on Jul 5, 2010 14:02:14 GMT -7
3500 for the cab and head together is a Super price. Though its out of my budget, its still a great price for this amp. thanks for the response guys.
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Post by basementhack on Jul 5, 2010 14:03:14 GMT -7
That's exactly where I thought it would be priced. For starters, there are two (2) hardwood fronts on the set...the current price list shows those at a minimum of $239 each as an add-on.
So, that puts in $500 to $600 over the Stangray head & cab already.
Keith
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Post by Norrin Radd on Jul 5, 2010 14:27:50 GMT -7
The Z-wreck sounds like a great amp that will be a legend... Do you think it will make the rest of the Z line go up in price?? I hope not the Doc makes so great amps that are affordable for players and not collectors or big name guys... That was excatly my concern as well, but as I read through this thread and better understand the basis for the price - it makes a lot of sense - and it's really NOT out of line with the Doc's other current offerings. I guess if I started buying things on the "New" market I would have known that better! As it is, I currently have a Ray and cab - and the new price on that, plus those nice wood valences and upgraded cab construction - certainly seems right in line. Although, I'll have to hear a Wreck before I decide to buy one. The Ray, for me, is just one heck of an amp - it's actually making me rid my self of others because I no longer play them. I'd love to hear one though. Hopefully my dealer will get one in time...........
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Post by countrybilly83 (Ty) on Jul 5, 2010 14:36:06 GMT -7
The Z-wreck sounds like a great amp that will be a legend... Do you think it will make the rest of the Z line go up in price?? I hope not the Doc makes so great amps that are affordable for players and not collectors or big name guys... That was excatly my concern as well, but as I read through this thread and better understand the basis for the price - it makes a lot of sense - and it's really NOT out of line with the Doc's other current offerings. I guess if I started buying things on the "New" market I would have known that better! As it is, I currently have a Ray and cab - and the new price on that, plus those nice wood valences and upgraded cab construction - certainly seems right in line. Although, I'll have to hear a Wreck before I decide to buy one. The Ray, for me, is just one heck of an amp - it's actually making me rid my self of others because I no longer play them. I'd love to hear one though. Hopefully my dealer will get one in time........... I hope AGB in Maple Grove gets one when they are released it would be a line of people trying it out... I have yet to try a Ray but am curious.. I have been going around a lot lately with EL84's love hate thing..
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 14:45:03 GMT -7
No worries about the rest of the line increasing in price (due to the Zwreck). This is Doc's "top shelf" model. Toyota's don't increase in price, when a new Lexus comes out. This a "niche" product. As DrZ said..."....It's not for everybody, but guitar players are a strange breed. When they want something, they usually find a way...". Again...this amp is sooooo far beyond what you would expect from an EL84 rig. You just HAVE to play it.....LOUD, to really appreciate it. Much like the Remedy (in that regard) from last year. Will I find a way?? Ummmmmmmmmmm............YEAH!!
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Post by Norrin Radd on Jul 5, 2010 14:51:37 GMT -7
That was excatly my concern as well, but as I read through this thread and better understand the basis for the price - it makes a lot of sense - and it's really NOT out of line with the Doc's other current offerings. I guess if I started buying things on the "New" market I would have known that better! As it is, I currently have a Ray and cab - and the new price on that, plus those nice wood valences and upgraded cab construction - certainly seems right in line. Although, I'll have to hear a Wreck before I decide to buy one. The Ray, for me, is just one heck of an amp - it's actually making me rid my self of others because I no longer play them. I'd love to hear one though. Hopefully my dealer will get one in time........... I hope AGB in Maple Grove gets one when they are released it would be a line of people trying it out... I have yet to try a Ray but am curious.. I have been going around a lot lately with EL84's love hate thing.. Hey - I'm in St. Paul too - if you want to come try out my Ray some time, let me know.
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Post by countrybilly83 (Ty) on Jul 5, 2010 14:52:00 GMT -7
The price isn't horrible for a head and cab set... Out of my budget right now but maybe I can have some money saved, when it is finally out on the street... Till then the wait for a Remedy is next..
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Post by jhumber on Jul 5, 2010 15:28:54 GMT -7
Price? Seems cool. Improved cab construction? Bonus. Only available in grey? Deal-breaker for me Sorry to be the one that says it, but having invested a fair amount in 2 blonde Z cabs to date, I won't be laying it down for Z-Wreck until a blonde one comes out. Yep, I know it's stupidly superficial, but hey ho. Look forward to seeing more vids of the ZW in action....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 15:41:28 GMT -7
How many guys have paid 2500.00 for a Grosh or 3500 for a lentz or 5000.00 for a Fender CS. Besides 3500 is just $1.00 a day saved for 350 days. Thats not even a whole year.
It's July 5th start sticking that dollar in a jar every day when you get home. Just a suggestion.. By Christmas you'll have it 1/2 paid for.
Hopefully no-one is offended by that suggestion. I was brought up to never say I can't afford or you never will be able to. Affording is sometimes a matter of priorities.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 5, 2010 15:51:20 GMT -7
How many guys have paid 2500.00 for a Grosh or 3500 for a lentz or 5000.00 for a Fender CS. Besides 3500 is just $1.00 a day saved for 350 days. Thats not even a whole year. It's July 5th start sticking that dollar in a jar every day when you get home. Just a suggestion.. By Christmas you'll have it 1/2 paid for. Hopefully no-one is offended by that suggestion. I was brought up to never say I can't afford or you never will be able to. Affording is sometimes a matter of priorities. I LIKE your thinking Bruthr....but....I have a "slight" prob w/your math.....maybe $10 a day x 350 days?..... I know what U meant. ;D BTW.........I think I will. 20 bucks in the jar 2day(it won't hurt so badly tomorrow). +1 for ya. BTW (again)....that grey tolex is some classy sha-nizzle. juss sayin'. It 'aint no $500 flamed maple "Harvey wood"....but classy, juss the same.
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Post by mcook217 on Jul 5, 2010 15:53:30 GMT -7
3500 is a great price.. makes me think that i should get it and then just sell my current 2x12 cab since i won't need two 2x12 open back cabs with similar speaker combinations.
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Post by countrybilly83 (Ty) on Jul 5, 2010 16:05:30 GMT -7
I hope AGB in Maple Grove gets one when they are released it would be a line of people trying it out... I have yet to try a Ray but am curious.. I have been going around a lot lately with EL84's love hate thing.. Hey - I'm in St. Paul too - if you want to come try out my Ray some time, let me know. I might take you up on that one of these days.. Thanks I appreciate it.. Am away working but will let ya know..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 16:08:45 GMT -7
How many guys have paid 2500.00 for a Grosh or 3500 for a lentz or 5000.00 for a Fender CS. Besides 3500 is just $1.00 a day saved for 350 days. Thats not even a whole year. It's July 5th start sticking that dollar in a jar every day when you get home. Just a suggestion.. By Christmas you'll have it 1/2 paid for. I Hopefully no-one is offended by that suggestion. I was brought up to never say I can't afford or you never will be able to. Affording is sometimes a matter of priorities. I LIKE your thinking Bruthr....but....I have a "slight" prob w/your math.....maybe $10 a day x 350 days?..... I know what U meant. ;D BTW.........I think I will. 10 bucks in the jar 2day. +1 for ya. BTW (again)....that grey tolex is some classy sha-nizzle. juss sayin'. It was supposed to be 10.00 missed a Zero.. Thanks for catching it. I'd hate to have someone diligently saving a buck and be short Maybe You all can do a payroll deduction Z Wreck Plan. Hopefully a video will be out soon.. That Dave Baker does a great job -
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Jul 5, 2010 18:12:03 GMT -7
No metal/plastic corners. I wonder how this would hold up after schlepping it in and out of the Jeep 150 times a year? Hmm...seems like metal corners serve a good purpose.
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Post by BritInvasion on Jul 5, 2010 18:51:16 GMT -7
No metal/plastic corners. I wonder how this would hold up after schlepping it in and out of the Jeep 150 times a year? Hmm...seems like metal corners serve a good purpose. Yep , was thinking the same.
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 5, 2010 19:01:09 GMT -7
How many guys have paid 2500.00 for a Grosh Awe man, did you have to bring that up? I guess I have to order up a $3500 amp now. Crap!!! Seriously I don't think that dollar amount is out of the question for a set piece like a Z Wreck. I really have a fancy for another brand's $3200 amp, but seriously doubt that I'll ever come off the money for it. More so when you combine the idea that I'm addicted to a clean and dirty amp set up and my drummer is four years old.
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Post by Fiestared69 on Jul 5, 2010 19:18:30 GMT -7
Sounds like I'll be playin the Mazerati's a while longer, ........The reason the Z Wreck probably sounds so good is it is more like the Mazerati than the Ray !! Those EF-86 tubes gave me fits on the road !! Back to 12AX7's GOOD IDEA !!!!
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