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Post by prowler on Apr 18, 2006 20:12:39 GMT -7
You may want to try a JDesigns Vintage 1x12 cab. Sounds great with a Weber 50W Ceramic Silver Bell.
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Post by zzone on Apr 23, 2006 14:54:48 GMT -7
telemanic,
Thanks for suggesting Earcandycabs.com. I have never heard of them and they look like a class act. I just ordered a Sovereign 1x12" to use with my Route 66. I will be trying the cab with the usual Celestion G12T75's and Weber Thames Alnico's, all 16 ohm speakers.
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Post by janinedoubly on Apr 25, 2006 10:40:33 GMT -7
I have heard and have personally used the Bogner Cube 112 cab with the Route 66 and its great. Loaded with a V30, it seems to be the closest tone I could find to the 66 into a Z Best 212. Yeah, the V30 is not the perfect speaker, but it covers a lot of ground rather nicely. The Cube removes a lot of the things I don't like about the V30. Remember, the cab has a lot to do with the tone of the speaker. Just because you didn't like the sound of a V30 in one cab, doesn't mean you won't like it in another. I'd be curious to hear this new Alnico Celestion Gold speaker. Should be cool. Also, Z has told me in the past that the 66 just won't work very well as a combo. KT66's don't like to be hung upside down and they would be too close to the speaker as a smaller combo. The 66 and a Bogner Cube, while in two pieces, travels really well.
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Post by taswegian on May 5, 2006 21:49:30 GMT -7
Well with all this 1-12 talk, I've dug out an old Kitty Hawk 1-12 I had lying around with a G12M-70 in it and tried it out. I noticed it was alot quieter (if you can say that about a cranked Rt66) than my ZBest, and that I actually didn't mind it. I'm going to gig with it tonight which will give me a better idea but should be fun to try something new anyway. Sounds no where near as good as the Z Best but this is a small club and I just might be able to get the volume on the amp up with the 1-12. I must admit I was quite suprised, but I'll reserve my judgement till after the gig.
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Post by James on May 6, 2006 5:11:51 GMT -7
My 1x12 (G12H)sounds just as good as my z best.....not the same sound, but just as good......it breaks up earlier...........I really love having both of them as an option. Walking into the gig with your guitar in a gig bag over your shoulder, rt 66 in one hand and 1x 12 cab in the other hand...........you feel like you are "backpacking" ; )
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Post by Telemanic on May 6, 2006 15:39:10 GMT -7
I here ya james, Gettin my Earcandy 1-12 was the best thing ive done for the 66 rig. Your right you can get it all in just about one light trip! And to the Guest, thanking me for the EARCANDY recomendation, It's my pleasure!! it is THE most amazing cab maker ive seen or heard of. Seriously, anyone goin with one of Tims cabs will never look back! He will customize your cab to yours, or his specs, custom tone woods, coverings. wiring etc. AND he is incredibly well versed in how any speaker sounds in each cab type! Oh yeah, patent pending tone jointing, and porting design, all for VERY reasonable prices, Like $330.00 Complete, for a soverign 1-12!
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Post by billyguitar on May 6, 2006 16:48:21 GMT -7
I checked his site. The stuff does look good.
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Post by taswegian on May 6, 2006 22:58:24 GMT -7
Well, got to the gig (covers) and set up the rig where I thought it sounded good with the airbreak. I must say I enjoyed the load in. ;D But unfortunately I was still too loud with the 66 cranked and attenuated with the 1-12. The speaker has a sensitivity rating of 97db so it's a less efficient speaker. So I had to turn down to around 12 oclock across the board and kinda defeated the purpose for me, although it still sounded great, for the cover band in my situation, I think the Zbest running the 66 clean with pedals is the better option. The pedals enjoy the clean signal and without the attenuation I have a bigger dynamic range with the amp. With the Compression cut overdrive on the FF2 I can play soft for a clean sound and hard to get a great ampy overdrive and retain the touch sensitivity that attenuation seems to kill a bit.
Having said all that, my band (originals) play alot louder than these guys, and I don't use overdrive pedals in that band, just the amp, and I think the 1-12 might work really well for that gig because I should be able to play it at the levels I want to, and it will definately be less loud than the Z-Best. Looking forward to trying it out in the "real" context.
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Post by John on May 7, 2006 3:45:16 GMT -7
Taz, why didn't you just 'airbreak' more? Instead of turning the amp down? Also, is the 1x12 a closed back? If so, they're REAL directional, blasting everything out front, and if you've got the cabinet on the floor, you won't get the sound coming out the back to 'fill up the stage' with sound. I have to really raise mine off the floor quite a bit.
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Post by taswegian on May 7, 2006 5:46:04 GMT -7
The cab is an open back and I had it on the floor. I actually started out with the amp on around 2 oclock across the board with the attenuator on 4 !!! and it was still too loud to start with so I had no where to go with the attenuator. I just turned down to about 12 oclock and put the airbreak on 2. By the end of the night I was able to get it to around 1 oclock but if I attenuate more than "2" it's harder to get a clean sound with the volume rolled back and it loses the dynamics and "air" I could hear it fine, it was plenty loud and it sounded great. It's just that I need to switch from clean to dirty instantly and we play a wide variety of songs. It was either balls to the wall overdrive sound from the amp that I could wind down for clean, or run it clean with the pedals. Unfortunately it was just too loud still to run the way I wanted. Also with the Z-Best at lower volumes you still get the big bottom end and a little chime from the V30. You still get that "bigger" sound at lower volumes. But I'm looking forward to trying the 1-12 in my band. I think the cranked volume will be perfect with the 1-12.
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Post by billyguitar on May 7, 2006 7:49:14 GMT -7
Good stuff here, Tas!
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Post by Telemanic on May 7, 2006 11:38:44 GMT -7
Hey gtrman3, i hear ya on 1-12 closed backs being directional. I have always hated ANY 1-12, even open back combos, i always felt they were so beamy. 2-12's seem to smooth the sound out. BUT, if you want to be suprised try the Earcandy 1-12. Closed back, front ported. It will blow you away how it is NOT directional. Forget about preconcieved notions, cause i dont know how he gets his cabs to do it, but i can stand literally next to its side, almost behind it and hear it just about as you would in front of it. You will not need to lift it off the floor either. Seriously, it has what seems to be a 180 degree dispersion. Tim the maker, say's it has to do with his port design and placement. What ever, ....it works! It is so big sounding, you will not miss any stage filling sound. I apologize, but its one piece that i totaly rave about, because his cabs are unique and remarkable. he has lots of different grills and some of those round speaker cages he uses sometimes, which i dont care for the look of. But the sound!!! I got mine in a traditional looking covering with a wheat grill that is the EXACT material the DOC. used on my 66. It's the tiniest stack youve ever seen, yet easily matches guns with ANY 2-12, and is Almost as airy as an open back! Lou
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Post by John on May 8, 2006 4:38:55 GMT -7
Taz, you must be using an "Airbrake"?? I don't own one, but it seems, from what I read here in the forum...that they're not...how do I say this...allow for small steps in attenuation.
I use a Marshall Powerbrake....I know, I know, people in this forum like to talk it down. But it does allow for 'steps' of attenuation all the way up and down. I gather the Airbrake is not like that. I just found out the Weber minimass is $100 for the 50 watt version. I'm going to get one of those and see if there really is a difference in attenuators.
As I said in another thread: The Route 66 is not a versitile amp. It has a sweet spot...which is pretty much everything on 3:00. And with no master volume, I'll permanently use an attenuator. 32 watts cranked is still a bit loud for the small clubs I play. And if I'm fortunate to play a really loud gig, I've got a 2x12 cabinet to blast away.
And for telemanic: I know you've talked up the Soverign before, but my cabinet's paid for and sounds pretty good, and it's light and small too! But I'm glad you're happy.
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Post by James on May 8, 2006 7:05:52 GMT -7
GTRMAN3, I just got new tubes..........GT 's with a rating of 4 instead of the 5 or 6 rating rec. by the Doc......anyway, with the low distortion setting, V @ 9, T and B @ 3......I swear I have more gain than before.................which is totally rockin' with a les paul in a small club. This was a reasonable volume, and with my RC booster I was totally in the sweet spot pulling out a perfect "Bad Company" tone..........no airbrake needed..........tight bass, big growl.......1 x 12............I was all "grins"...........made me just fall in love with this amp all over again!
I think you can get to the sweet spot at a lower volume......at least I have been able to, especially with the RC booster........and the new tubes.
Since I bought my MAZ, I treat the 66 as a different tool........I used to stress out because I was trying to cover everything with the RT 66............but now, for the blusey strat stuff, I use my maz with pedals..........and for the 70's rock with that "old timey" distortion......and a humbucker, the RT 66 is perfect. Haulin' 2 amp heads and 2 1x 12's is not a big deal.....and takes up very little stage space. I agree, gtrman3, the rt 66 is not as versatile as some of the other z's.......and I got tired of trying to make it my all purpose amp...........now I am happier , and my RT 66 is the star playing rock and roll with the les paul.......and the maz for the clean stuff..........the combo is the best of both worlds tone wise..........
on a side note...................when I got my rt 66, I was using it with a strat, 2 x 12.....doing coffee shop duo gigs with an acoustic guitarist.......plugged in to a small pa......it actually worked well ........(looked kinda like "overkill" though).....I was just playing clean stuff.....it was perfect...
I think the Rt 66 is more versatile than people give it credit for.......but, I am glad I do not have to try and cover everything with it anymore........it seems happier doing what it does best and "rocking"..........."growling".........
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Post by billyguitar on May 8, 2006 7:08:00 GMT -7
I've got some different attenuators and the Marshall does have the best increments of attenuation. The problem is that it's muddier sounding than the later designs. I think I bought my Marshall Powerbrake back in about 1990.
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Post by taswegian on May 8, 2006 7:55:57 GMT -7
Well, I could have gone down to "Bedroom Level" on the airbrake but if you have to attenuate that much there isn't much point. I can cover everything running clean with pedals for the cover gigs. But the amp is perfect for "my" gig and that is what is important to me. We play bigger clubs and the band is a lot louder, so the 66 if fine in the application it was bought for. I still would stack up my coverband set up against any other guitar player in town for tone, even running clean. The hellbilly into a clean Rt 66 and Z-Best is a pretty monsterous sound!
James, I agree, I think I could get the amp set up to break up real early and at reasonable volumes. Just a case of fine tuning to your needs. Keep Routing!
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Post by John on May 8, 2006 12:43:32 GMT -7
Billyguitar....
what other attenuators do you have?
I have 'heard' the Marshall Powerbrake compresses and changes the tone more than others. But I don't trust the source where I 'heard' it. (Harmony-central, among others) I don't mind a little mud when bedroom levels, but I don't think it does it at stage volume.
Can you compare contrast? I'm going to be selling a lot of gear on ebay soon. The money's got to go somewhere!!
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Post by billyguitar on May 8, 2006 13:57:30 GMT -7
The weird thing about the Marshall is that it's actually running into a fan motor instead of resistors. I uses to use mine with a 50 watt Marshall 1987X reissue head. I also have a Sholz, it's the worst, a Kendrick Air Brake (pretty good) and a THD Hot Plate which is the best of this bunch. The THD has 4 db increments which is too much. I had mine changed to 2 db per click and it was much better. The THD doesn't attenuate the highs and lows as much as the others. I've never heard the Weber MASS. It actually uses a speaker voice coil (I think that's what I read) and reacts the most like a speaker. I've never heard the Z unit either. If I was going to buy another attenuator I'd either go for the Weber or the Z. But I'd want to know how many db of attenuation are in the first click. Less is better. Sometimes you don't want much, just a little bit. Either of these would be better than the Marshall. It's obsolete now for sure.
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Post by taswegian on May 8, 2006 17:42:17 GMT -7
The attenuation levels are pretty good in the Airbrake. In my "real" gig, I usually start with it on two and after about 5 songs I click it down to one. If you are slighty too loud, one click will put you back where you need to be in most instances. Usually by the end of the night I have it off, but it depends where I'm running the amp and how many people are in the room. As far as attenuators go, the airbrake is a great one, even though I don't like having to use it!
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Post by kledbet on Aug 6, 2006 18:26:44 GMT -7
19jmm68 #4 tubes on the Route at least for me is a very good thing. Much more usable, by last Route had #7 and I did not like it at all... way to tight for me. The #4's just give me a more usable range and a good deal of sound between clean and distorted.
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Post by James on Aug 7, 2006 9:02:18 GMT -7
I like them as well, but, I think I like the higher p- rating for some situations. I think I will purchase a set of 6's when I figure out where to get 'em from.
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Post by taswegian on Sept 11, 2006 21:11:21 GMT -7
Well I've pulled the trigger on an Ulbrick 1-12 cab with a custom designed 35 watt speaker. I'm hoping it will allow me to crank it up in smaller clubs while I will still use the mighty Z-best for headroom and medium/larger venues. It's Ocean green but I think I'll call it "Peachphan green" ;D www.ulbricksound.com/Default.asp?p=PT&id=13
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Post by Telemanic on Sept 12, 2006 16:32:33 GMT -7
Hey tas, did i read right that you've used an open back with your 66? Or anyone for that matter, .. ive been thinking of trying for a little more air and perhaps brighter feel with an open back. I'm curious how much anyone finds that it opens up the sound a bit. I love my ported 1-12, but thinking a little in that direction lately.
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Post by taswegian on Sept 13, 2006 23:39:41 GMT -7
I have an old 1-12 open back cab (Kitty Hawk) left over from rack days that I tried with the 66 but it has a Celestion G-12M70 which was cool for the higher gain stuff but it doesn't blow me away with the 66. It's not bad just not YEAH!!! ;D
I'm HANGING to get my new 1-12.
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Post by taswegian on Sept 13, 2006 23:47:17 GMT -7
I posted this elsewhere but it's more appropriate here. Details of my new 1-12. It's a closed back with a custom designed blue framed speaker by the tone guru of Australia, Dave Ulbrick. It's rated at 35 watts and has a sensitivity around 97/98 so I'm hoping it will tame the beast a little and let me crank her up in smaller venues. Here's what Dave told me. "Howdy Jaye, I designed the V35 blues to fit somewhere between a Green back 25 and a Vintage 30. The cone is a long strand thin pulp that gives a rounder (browner) tone than a Vintage 30. I find that the Vintage 30 has a sharp high mid (1.8k to 2.5k) and you have a 102db sensitivity at these mid points. When you combine a high temp Kapton voice coil former you lower the rate to a nice 98db. So,the hearing scale being logarythmic you will notice that a 3db drop in sensitivity equates to a lower powered amp. regards Dave (sorry about the science lesson ) From the website: Using our specially designed Heritage V35 Blue Framed 12" drivers High Temperature Kapton voice coil, classic Greenback tone with tighter bottom end. Each driver is rated at 35 Watts continuous Internally wired with #20 siliconized high temperature Mil spec cable High quality UK cliff 1/4" phono socket Each cabinet is handbuilt, numbered and signed by our master craftsmen Can't wait to hear it, I think it will kill. Would be very nice with a Ghia too I bet, or Villians Z28! And it's "Peachphan green" www.ulbricksound.com/Default.asp?p=PT&id=13
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Post by Curt on Sept 14, 2006 7:25:12 GMT -7
Hey tas, did i read right that you've used an open back with your 66? Or anyone for that matter, .. ive been thinking of trying for a little more air and perhaps brighter feel with an open back. I'm curious how much anyone finds that it opens up the sound a bit. I love my ported 1-12, but thinking a little in that direction lately. I use open backs with my 66 and love 'em. I had a Z Best but that did not work for me. I've had a Z 2x12 open and 3 1x12 opens with various speakers.
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Post by Curt on Sept 14, 2006 7:28:18 GMT -7
I posted this elsewhere but it's more appropriate here. Details of my new 1-12. It's a closed back with a custom designed blue framed speaker by the tone guru of Australia, Dave Ulbrick. It's rated at 35 watts and has a sensitivity around 97/98 so I'm hoping it will tame the beast a little and let me crank her up in smaller venues. Here's what Dave told me. "Howdy Jaye, I designed the V35 blues to fit somewhere between a Green back 25 and a Vintage 30. The cone is a long strand thin pulp that gives a rounder (browner) tone than a Vintage 30. I find that the Vintage 30 has a sharp high mid (1.8k to 2.5k) and you have a 102db sensitivity at these mid points. When you combine a high temp Kapton voice coil former you lower the rate to a nice 98db. So,the hearing scale being logarythmic you will notice that a 3db drop in sensitivity equates to a lower powered amp. regards Dave (sorry about the science lesson ) From the website: Using our specially designed Heritage V35 Blue Framed 12" drivers High Temperature Kapton voice coil, classic Greenback tone with tighter bottom end. Each driver is rated at 35 Watts continuous Internally wired with #20 siliconized high temperature Mil spec cable High quality UK cliff 1/4" phono socket Each cabinet is handbuilt, numbered and signed by our master craftsmen Can't wait to hear it, I think it will kill. Would be very nice with a Ghia too I bet, or Villians Z28! And it's "Peachphan green" www.ulbricksound.com/Default.asp?p=PT&id=13"Peach Green" LOL I LOVE it !! can't wait to hear how you lik...uh, wait. I'm "hangin'" to hear how it sounds
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Post by Telemanic on Sept 14, 2006 9:55:55 GMT -7
Hey thanx guy's, ....Tele62, thats good to hear, i think i may have to look into an open back of some sort, ..........more gear, yeah!!
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Post by messenger on Sept 14, 2006 12:16:20 GMT -7
got to try one of those earcandy 1x12s......my wife wants to know where it ends?
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Post by billyguitar on Sept 14, 2006 13:19:48 GMT -7
If it ever ends it must be somewhere over the rainbow cuz I can't see the end from here!
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