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Post by slincoln on Oct 14, 2005 20:46:23 GMT -7
I'm curious to know what 12" speaker guys are using in their 1x12 cabs with the 66. For the past few years I've used a Reverend Alltone 12 and like it pretty well, though I'm not necessarily "inspired" by it. It's main pluses are as follows:
1) NO beaminess (this is a HUGE factor, for me). 2) Fairly versatile in tone. A nice cross between Jensen & Celestion sound. 3) Good, solid bottom. Stable.
Other speakers that I've tried, and moved away from are as follows:
Older Weber Blue Dogs: not enough stability, focus or punch
Celestion G12K: great speaker, but really beamy/shrill and not a lot of bottom. Great cross between Jensen and Celestion sound.
Jensen C12N Reissue: Good clean tones. Really shrill with no smooth breakup.
Weber California: Just not the right speaker, short lived.
Celestion V30: no versatility. no transparency. just a midrange rock'n roll honk, to my ears. It lasted for one gig and was quickly removed.
Thanks guys!
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Post by Stumpy on Oct 15, 2005 4:27:37 GMT -7
I use a Emi Tonker in a 1x12 with a 66 and haven't felt the need to try anything else. Can't say it is the best but it works for me!
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Post by m1911 on Oct 15, 2005 5:54:39 GMT -7
I think the Original Tone Tubby H1 12" sounds GREAT with a Route 66. That speaker is rated for 40 watts and is Alnico. I wish Z would offer a Route 66 in a 1x12 COMBO.... Would be AWESOME I think. Mark
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Post by Stumpy on Oct 15, 2005 8:11:36 GMT -7
I wish Z would offer a Route 66 in a 1x12 COMBO.... Would be AWESOME I think. Mark Sign me up for one too! ;D Packing a head, cab and couple guitars in a jeep is like putting a puzzle together!
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Post by kc on Oct 15, 2005 10:38:48 GMT -7
I have no idea if these will work for you, but here's what I have and use. I have two 1 x 12 cabs and I can use either or both with my Rte 66. Both are 16 ohm cabs. Most of the time, I only use one cab as I play mostly small clubs. The one I use almost all of the time is a closed back cab with a Celestion Blue. I really don't and can't have the volume on the Rte 66 past 9 o'clock or the other band members complain -- and yes, I'm using an Airbrake too. Even though the Celestion Blue is rated at 15 watts, I haven't blown it yet and I've had it about a year. It's also the best sounding cab I have. The other cab is open-back with a Celestion 30 watt G12H and it sounds really good, but IMO not quite as good as the Blue. FWIW, I also have a Z-Best, but haven't used it recently. I'm very happy with the Rte 66 thru the Celestion Blue and don't see myself changing any time soon.
kc
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Post by slincoln on Oct 15, 2005 11:37:22 GMT -7
This is interesting. I own a Celestion G12H 30 but was told by Celestion that I couldn't have assurance that it could handle the 32 watts of the Rt 66...... What is the general opinion here re: wattages this close? I can't afford to have a blown speaker on a gig. Utility first, tone second.
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Post by taswegian on Oct 16, 2005 16:35:36 GMT -7
I have two 1x12 boxes left over from my rack days that have been out on loan for about three years. I grabbed them and tried them out with the Route 66 yesterday. One is a Celestion G12H-100 and the other a G-12H-75. I don't like to put down other companies so I won't tell you the make of the box but they both sounded awful to my ears. Lots of brittle and nasty highs, no bottom end. I plugged into the Z-Best (stock) after them and was so relieved. It was like slipping into a warm bath. I could also play it louder and the apparent volume was less because there were no painful frequencies. I'm sure there are better 1x12's than what I have (Dr Z's and Bogner cube spring to mind) but the Z-Best isn't that big and I can't imagine any 1x12 delivering the same tone. Just my two cents worth!
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Post by slincoln on Oct 16, 2005 17:43:35 GMT -7
tasweigan, I've certainly read enough about the 2x12 Z cab to know that it must be great. It's also probably much louder than I could get away with using on 90% of the gigs I do. I've gigged with a 2x12 cab a lot in the past, there's no doubt that it generates a lot more bass, etc.
The 1x12, unless I was using really inefficient speakers in a 2x12 cab suites the stage needs I have. I actually like my Alltone 12", due to it's versatility, and lack of problem frequencies. More than a bigass, fat tone, I really want more upper end definition, personality and transparency without the ICEPICK that seems so prevalent in most higher powered 12"s. I guess I'm also enough of an old Fender nut to want something that takes my 66 to a line that stradles early Marshall and old tweed Fender.
I appreciate the feedback. As for your 1x12 cabs, I tried my 66 with a G12h-75 and didn't like it. It just didn't have any range or personality. I can't speak for the 100 watt guy, but I''d wager it wouldn't be the warmest in a 1x12 cab either.
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Post by taswegian on Oct 16, 2005 19:34:46 GMT -7
I guess I'm also enough of an old Fender nut to want something that takes my 66 to a line that stradles early Marshall and old tweed Fender. Yeah, nice... Make sure you post what you end up with as I'd be interested to know. You're right though, I don't think the higher efficiency celestions work with the 66 on their own. I'm sure there are some 1x12's out there that will sound awesome with the 66. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area as the Z-Best sounds so good I haven't experimented or researched. Just as a side note I do some pretty quiet gigs with the 2-12 but the amp is set clean for those gigs with some pedals. Good Luck.
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Post by rclemmer on Nov 15, 2005 13:14:58 GMT -7
slincoln, have you done any further experiments? We'd love to hear any results.
I have a Z-best which is AWESOME, but at times I crave the open back sound of my Z 2x10 or Z 1x12. My Z 2x10 has the stock Z speakers and it's cool, but at times it has a funky nasal thing happening in the midrange. My Z 1x12 is OK with the stock Vintage 30 for certain tones, but I would really like to try something different in that cab. FWIW I also have a Bogner 1x12 Cube with a Vintage 30 and I'd love to find another speaker to put into that cab, too.
I keep thinking I have too many cabs, but they each have such unique characteristics that I can't bring myself to part with any of them. I'm amazed at how my different Z heads (Route 66, Carmen Ghia, Maz 18 Jr NR) respond through the different cabs.
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Post by m1911 on Nov 20, 2005 4:57:47 GMT -7
I loaded Original Hemp Cone Alnico Tone Tubbies into a couple of Z 1x12 Cabs about 3 years ago and love them. I replaced the Vintage 30's that were in them. So smooth and warm....these speakers cut the volume a bit, but are rated at 35 to 40 watts each, so you are able to turn the 66 up a bit more if desired. I've said this before, but I think a Route 66 in a 1x12 COMBO with an Alnico-Hemp Tone Tubby would be the balls! Mark
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Post by Curt on Dec 2, 2005 8:10:13 GMT -7
On the Route 66 combo, I don't think it will happen, I think it has to do with the 66's full mids and bottom, the speaker would move too much air around in the combo cab, EF-86 tubes are a bit frigile and would not hold up.
On the speaker thing, while a Z Best sounds great w/a 66, For my gigs I actually prefer an old square Z 1x12 with a well aged V-30...it is sooo subjective.
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Post by sparrowhawk (Bob) on Dec 2, 2005 9:29:25 GMT -7
>>What is the general opinion here re: wattages this close? I can't afford to have a blown speaker on a gig. Utility first, tone second.
I have a Reverend Hellhound, a 60 watt amp that came with the Alltone 50 watt speaker. Reverend manual says: "Extended use at high volume (Gain and Master both over 75%) on the UK setting (lots of mids) may damage the speaker." That said, I never use this kind of setting, but I've played it it pretty loud at gigs with absolutely no problems. I recently ordered a Weber 50 watt speaker for this amp and spoke to Ted about the 50-60 watt mismatch. He says no problem unless you dime it. Just ordered my Maz38 Sr. 1x12 (38 watts), comes with a G12H 30 Celestion. I'm pretty sure the Doc wouldn't ship it this way unless it could handle itself.
My opinion - you should be OK running the 32 watt amp with a 30 watt speaker unless you really abuse it. Disclaimer: I'm not an electrical engineer, don't play one on tv, so take this with as many grains of salt as necessary. ;-)
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Post by rclemmer on Dec 13, 2005 7:29:22 GMT -7
I loaded Original Hemp Cone Alnico Tone Tubbies into a couple of Z 1x12 Cabs about 3 years ago and love them. I replaced the Vintage 30's that were in them. So smooth and warm....these speakers cut the volume a bit, but are rated at 35 to 40 watts each, so you are able to turn the 66 up a bit more if desired. I've said this before, but I think a Route 66 in a 1x12 COMBO with an Alnico-Hemp Tone Tubby would be the balls! Mark So the Tone Tubby Alnico H1 is not too dark? Interestingly, Tone Tubby now sells the H1E as their 'stock' model.
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 13, 2005 9:32:58 GMT -7
I have the H1E alnico Tone Tubby. It's great with my Maz 38 sr. Just as efficient as the celestion that came in it but sweeter, punchier (more dynamic), no cone cry at all. I can't speak to the original TT but it might let you open the treble up a bit more on the amp. The new speaker doesn't lack highs at all. It's pretty bright but not unusually so to my ears. Not near as bright as the Celestion Century with the n-dym magnet. You'd like either Tone Tubby, alnico or ceramic. Probably the Eminence Cannibas Rex would be a good speaker for less but I've never heard one.
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Post by seamusmctube on Dec 13, 2005 13:08:42 GMT -7
I'm using a bogner cube with my RT66 and I gotta say that I love the cabinet. It has a 16 ohm V30 in it right now. I'd like to try some other speaks. The top end is a bit "ganky" or harsh to me with the 30 and it's pretty barky in the mids...Maybe a tone tubby? Anyways as far as 112 closed cabs go that one is the ticket IMO. There simply isn't a better closed 212 than the Z best. If you guys have any speaker suggestions...I'm wanting a bit silkier tone I guess...
Seamus
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Post by rclemmer on Dec 14, 2005 7:29:33 GMT -7
I'm using a bogner cube with my RT66 and I gotta say that I love the cabinet. It has a 16 ohm V30 in it right now. I'd like to try some other speaks. The top end is a bit "ganky" or harsh to me with the 30 and it's pretty barky in the mids...Maybe a tone tubby? Anyways as far as 112 closed cabs go that one is the ticket IMO. There simply isn't a better closed 212 than the Z best. If you guys have any speaker suggestions...I'm wanting a bit silkier tone I guess... Seamus Seamus... let me know what you wind up with. I'm in the same boat with my Route 66 & Bogner Cube.
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Post by seamusmctube on Dec 14, 2005 16:01:09 GMT -7
Hey rclemmer,
I sure will...
Best
Seamus
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Post by rclemmer on Dec 20, 2005 16:51:49 GMT -7
Has anyone used a single 12" Celestion Alnico Blue with the Route 66? I'm a little concerned about the 15w rating on the speaker, but I'm not diming the amp, so I'm thinking that speaker may work well in my Z 1x12 open back cab. Thoughts?
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Post by kc on Dec 21, 2005 4:08:44 GMT -7
Has anyone used a single 12" Celestion Alnico Blue with the Route 66? I'm a little concerned about the 15w rating on the speaker, but I'm not diming the amp, so I'm thinking that speaker may work well in my Z 1x12 open back cab. Thoughts? rclemmer, I'm using a single 16 ohm Celestion Blue, for about a year or more now. I use an airbrake and haven't really turned the 66 up past 10 o'clock. It's plenty of volume for the small club gigs I play. I have a Z-Best too, but it's more than I need and the Blue sounds very good. I may be living dangerously, but so far so good. kc
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Post by rclemmer on Dec 21, 2005 15:04:10 GMT -7
kc, thanks! I took the plunge and ordered an Alnico Blue today. Are you using yours in an open or closed back cab?
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Post by ducmike on Dec 21, 2005 16:27:46 GMT -7
Weber makes clones of the Blues in higher wattages. I haven't tried them, but I hear BP likes them.
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Post by kc on Dec 21, 2005 19:50:13 GMT -7
kc, thanks! I took the plunge and ordered an Alnico Blue today. Are you using yours in an open or closed back cab? rclemmer, I've got it in a no-name ported, closed back cabinet. kc
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Post by jb on Jan 9, 2006 7:37:22 GMT -7
I am currently using a G12H in my 1x12 Z open back cabinet. The Rt 66 still sounds a little dark to me. I was thinking of adding another 1x12 to brighten up the tone and add a little chime. What speaker do you recommend? Thinking perhaps Weber Blue Dog 30w (Alnico), Celestion Blue or Alnico Tone Tubby.
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Post by LeftyLang on Apr 17, 2006 19:49:07 GMT -7
I am thinking of the new Celestion Gold? ...When is it available??
What about the Eminence Red Fang??
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Post by Telemanic on Apr 17, 2006 21:22:05 GMT -7
Gotta throw my hat in the ring for the Eminence 121 legend. I'm currently using it in the best 1-12 cab i've ever heard,.... an Earcandy soverign 1-12. The 121 is amazing with the 66. It is a core speaker of the Emi line. The tonker and swamp thang are derivitives, with accentuated lows, and or highs. The 121 is one of the most "honest" speakers that ive heard. Just reproduces what the amp is making, full bottom- natural mids, and nice chimey highs, and is is absolutely NOT beamy. Push it a little and it barks brit style, or pull it back and do great fender. Super versatile. Yeah it doesnt have a flashy name, but sometimes you go back to the begining and find it was right there all along! IMHO
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2006 8:25:46 GMT -7
Not that I read all the posts in detail, but few people seem to be mentioning if the cabinets are open back or not. This can make a HUGE difference. Arriving soon will be an empty 1x12 closed back cabinet, I'll be loading a Celestion Vintage 30 (60watt) speaker into it. I'm trying to get the sound of a Marshall 4x12 cabinet. The original poster hear said it was all "Midrange Rock & Roll Honk"....well, that's what I'm looking for! I'll be using it with a Les Paul and 335. I could see how it would not sound well with a single coil pickup. And the Dr. does not make a 1x12 closed back. And even if he did, I'm sorry....$450 for a 1x12? ? I love my Route 66 and MAZ Jr.....but I'm not paying $450 for a 1x12. I'll be able to compare it to: Mesa Boogie 2x12 'half back' cabinet with Black Shadows (Celestions) Celestion Wolverine (custom voiced Celestion for Marshall TSL open back combos) The two Celestion G12H 30 (30 watt) in my MAZ Jr. (obviously open back) Sorry, I don't have anything but Celestions to use for comparison...but at least they're different models and types of cabinets.
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Post by Telemanic on Apr 18, 2006 12:13:50 GMT -7
Gtrman, If your looking for a closed back 1-12, Definately check out Earcandycabs.com and look at their Soverign 1-12. It is closed back, with two round front ports. It is also quite small Height, and width wise, But 16 inches deep!! Tim, at Earcandy uses a patent pending "tone jointing" design in building his cabs, which he will use tone woods of your choice, ie. Baltic birch sides, and mohagany back and baffle. Or he'll consult with you about your style, Equip., etc. and make recomendations for combinations of woods, and speaker choice. By the way he's WAY knowledgable about Particularly Eminence, but most others as well, and can tell you what each speaker will do in each cab. It is incredibly well made, looks killer, and is the Sweetest, most musical, cab ive ever played. It sounds absolutely OPEN, articulate, and HUGE. It is so non-beamey, i cant beleive it. I hate to rave about it so much on this site! But, i just want people to check out his cabs, The 1-12's sound like a 2-12, and his Buzzbomb 2-12, sounds like a 4-12. Based on Tims Recomendation, i went with the Emi' 121. It's perfect with my Rt.66 and sounds amazing in tims cab. Good Luck, Lou
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Post by Telemanic on Apr 18, 2006 12:22:09 GMT -7
Oh yeah, Forgot to let ya know, My Cab was about $ 330.00 last summer, shipped, From indiana to just chicago. But whatever shipping may vary, he's very reasonable for what your getting.
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Post by John on Apr 18, 2006 13:52:38 GMT -7
I saw the website a while ago. $250 for the cab and $110 for the speaker. $360 before shipping. I don't know. I've already got the cab on the way. I'll give it a shot first. I know the Soverign is a deep cabinet, which should help with bass. If I don't like the first cab, I can always take the speaker out, sell the cab in Ebay, and get a Soverign.
Thanks for the information. And a +1 to you.
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