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Post by jwr on May 21, 2008 8:31:09 GMT -7
I find the two amps quite different. The 66 has more of the big mids vibe or Marshall bluesbreaker tones on tap and the 45 is more Vox AC-50 to my ears. That's what I wanted to hear, Vox AC-50. Thanks Myles.
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Post by myles on May 21, 2008 10:25:04 GMT -7
I find the two amps quite different. The 66 has more of the big mids vibe or Marshall bluesbreaker tones on tap and the 45 is more Vox AC-50 to my ears. That's what I wanted to hear, Vox AC-50. Thanks Myles. You are welcome
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Post by myles on May 21, 2008 10:27:14 GMT -7
Well, I'm not Myles (I've never raced a boat, restored a Czech L-39, much less been divorced ;D) but here's my take. On the surface the Rt. 66 and KT45 are in the same "universe", as the front ends are similar and the EL34 isn't "miles apart" from a KT66 compared to say, a KT66 and a EL84. The are very different sounding tubes though. There are some other pretty significant differences. For one, the output transformer is different. The Route 66 runs in ultralinear while the KT45 does not. The power supply filtering on the two amps is different. The 66 has more of a "smoky", darker complex midrange sound with a "softer" attack. The KT45 has a "harder" upper midrange and "crushed glass" treble, and a sharper attack, and is a brighter amp overall. The KT45 has way more clean headroom than the 66. I think your writeup here is terrific .... very accurate and put in a much better way that I have put things ! Thanks lots.
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Post by The Atomic Jeff on May 21, 2008 10:57:31 GMT -7
I find the 66 and 45 extremely different sounding - hence my inspiration for starting the thread(!).
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Post by brad737 on May 21, 2008 15:32:36 GMT -7
I said that. If you're ever around Cincinnati, you can come over and try them both out. They're not exact. But they are a lot more similar than I thought they'd be. It seems like we should be able to put 20-25 names together here. Myles, someone mentioned that the KT-45 and Route 66 tones overlapped quite a bit. Any insight would be appreciated, and, it might to help spark a bit more interest amongst the other forum members.
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Post by myles on May 21, 2008 15:49:37 GMT -7
I said that. If you're ever around Cincinnati, you can come over and try them both out. They're not exact. But they are a lot more similar than I thought they'd be. It seems like we should be able to put 20-25 names together here. Myles, someone mentioned that the KT-45 and Route 66 tones overlapped quite a bit. Any insight would be appreciated, and, it might to help spark a bit more interest amongst the other forum members. Play with the tone stack on each ... the output sections react quite differently.
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Post by brad737 on May 21, 2008 16:06:28 GMT -7
I definitely will. I really, really like the KT, but have been thinking about selling it, since so far it's been so close to my 66. But if I get to where I can get the KT to really show me its true colors, I'll definitely keep it. I've just been trying to tweak my collection so that each amp does its own thing.
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Post by jwr on May 23, 2008 10:07:04 GMT -7
O.K. Who's starting the list?
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Post by hogridr on May 23, 2008 11:57:24 GMT -7
Started...
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Post by The Atomic Jeff on May 23, 2008 14:42:55 GMT -7
Add me - the topic starter!
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Post by brad737 on Jun 25, 2008 21:10:19 GMT -7
That's not correct. The transformers are exactly the same. I have both amps, and the trannies are exactly the same, down to the model numbers. For all practical purposes, the OT is the voice of the amp. There may be differences in the circuits, but that hardware is the same. Well, I'm not Myles (I've never raced a boat, restored a Czech L-39, much less been divorced ;D) but here's my take. On the surface the Rt. 66 and KT45 are in the same "universe", as the front ends are similar and the EL34 isn't "miles apart" from a KT66 compared to say, a KT66 and a EL84. The are very different sounding tubes though. There are some other pretty significant differences. For one, the output transformer is different. The Route 66 runs in ultralinear while the KT45 does not. The power supply filtering on the two amps is different. The 66 has more of a "smoky", darker complex midrange sound with a "softer" attack. The KT45 has a "harder" upper midrange and "crushed glass" treble, and a sharper attack, and is a brighter amp overall. The KT45 has way more clean headroom than the 66.
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Post by noisemaker on Jun 27, 2008 8:41:14 GMT -7
That's not correct. The transformers are exactly the same. I have both amps, and the trannies are exactly the same, down to the model numbers. For all practical purposes, the OT is the voice of the amp. There may be differences in the circuits, but that hardware is the same. although i don't own either amp... i'll try to clarify.... it is entirely possible that they use the same OT. UL is usually just an optional tap on the OT. so the same OT could be used UL or not UL...
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Post by brad737 on Jun 27, 2008 16:15:43 GMT -7
Ahhhh...that makes sense. I just noticed that the trannies were the same unit.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 1, 2008 13:43:32 GMT -7
dbdoctor and Brad737 are right. The 45 and 66 do share OT's but the 45 does not use the ultralinear taps. Now we know!
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Post by brad737 on Jul 1, 2008 18:08:33 GMT -7
I'm going to show my ignorance here...I know nothing unusual for me. But what exactly do ultralinear taps do for you?
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 1, 2008 18:58:33 GMT -7
I'm going to show my ignorance here...I know nothing unusual for me. But what exactly do ultralinear taps do for you? It's a design technique where there is a special winding on the output transformer that connects directly to the screen grids of the tubes. It sort of gives the tubes a "giant triode" sort of sound that's very even without any frequency spikes, and great harmonics, if you do it correctly.
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Post by brad737 on Jul 1, 2008 22:32:44 GMT -7
Ahhhh...I wonder if that's what accounts for the small difference in tone between the 45 and 66, or if it's more of the tubes? If you lived close to Cincy, I'd have you come over sometime and check them out. They're different for sure. But not very much. When I run them through the Headbone, it's surprising how much of a "family resemblance" there is.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 2, 2008 4:05:30 GMT -7
You should hear the 66 vs. the 88. The 88 is dirtier due to the phase inverter design, but the Delta sounds like a 66 on steroids.
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Post by brad737 on Jul 2, 2008 8:31:14 GMT -7
I've never heard an 88 before. A 66 on steroids sounds pretty awesome though.
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Post by 6strang (aka Paul) on Jul 2, 2008 8:44:14 GMT -7
I loved the KT 45 at Z fest with the tube rectifier! Killer amp! Paul
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Post by jwr on Jul 2, 2008 9:30:00 GMT -7
It sounds as if the Doc is gonna start producing the KT-45 again from what little I've read about it lately. If that's true I think I'm gonna have to get my Route 66 a cousin. ;D
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Post by brad737 on Jul 2, 2008 11:18:19 GMT -7
If he does produce the KT again, I think it would be at least $1600, which is the price of a new Route 66. Mine is listed in the BST section for hundreds less than that. ;D It sounds as if the Doc is gonna start producing the KT-45 again from what little I've read about it lately. If that's true I think I'm gonna have to get my Route 66 a cousin. ;D
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Post by jwr on Jul 3, 2008 8:42:07 GMT -7
If he does produce the KT again, I think it would be at least $1600, which is the price of a new Route 66. Mine is listed in the BST section for hundreds less than that. ;D It sounds as if the Doc is gonna start producing the KT-45 again from what little I've read about it lately. If that's true I think I'm gonna have to get my Route 66 a cousin. ;D Sorry man, I just CAN'T do red. Thanks though, I can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
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Post by brad737 on Jul 3, 2008 20:54:04 GMT -7
What??!?!?? Even Doc says the red ones sound better!
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Post by jwr on Jul 4, 2008 11:06:03 GMT -7
What??!?!?? Even Doc says the red ones sound better! Sorry bro, I'll take my chances with black. ;D I can't believe that amp has lasted this long in the BST, I would have figured it would have been gone in a day or two.
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Post by brad737 on Jul 4, 2008 15:00:57 GMT -7
Yeah, me too. There were 15 or so guys were said they were dying for one. So I list it, and get absolutely no interest at all. Oh well...
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Post by jwr on Jul 4, 2008 17:37:02 GMT -7
Selling amps is tough right now with the way the economy is and all. I had to take quite a loss when I sold my Carr Slant 6V, it's just the way things are right now. Have patience, you'll move it and you'll get what it's worth for it.
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Post by brad737 on Jul 4, 2008 21:37:02 GMT -7
I'm not worried about it. I don't really need the money or anything. I'm just not playing it very much. Since it appeared there was such a big demand for it, I thought I'd sell it.
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Post by granite on Jul 7, 2008 17:39:09 GMT -7
New here, but I'm here because i want a KT45 or a 6545. If the 45 returns I will buy one in a heartbeat. Same goes for a 6545.
Kaika
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Post by djc (Dave) on Jul 11, 2008 6:02:21 GMT -7
Is this where you put your name on the list? If so[glow=red,2,300]count me in![/glow]
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