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Post by (8^D) on Jun 18, 2006 22:01:42 GMT -7
So here's a funny.
On the road, wanted to drop in some Weber tone candy. Pull the 4 screws on the stock G12H30 and the speaker won't come out. Am I missing something in the construction (i.e. speaker between 2 baffles) or has the front of the speaker 'fused' to the baffle?
Thought I'd ask before completely dismantling the amp.
Thanks!
Dw
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 19, 2006 5:48:11 GMT -7
I have heard that because of certain gasket materials that Celestion uses that they can get stuck to the baffle. It's not a Z problem, I was told, but a Celestion problem. Some on here have recommended a thin putty knife.
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 19, 2006 7:19:34 GMT -7
Hey Bill Thought it might be the gasket...putty knife is out. Knew it wasn't "a Z problem"...only the best amp designs EVER! Have to do some maintenance on the amp before heading out again this week - will just pull it all apart...might set the baffle outside in the afternoon sun for a bit and see if the gasket/baffle will seperate - definately don't want to hurt the speakers (love the G12H's but not in the Jr, a bit too woofy in the low end).
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 19, 2006 7:50:08 GMT -7
I think it's the cork-like gasket that sticks.
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 19, 2006 18:24:37 GMT -7
I think it's the cork-like gasket that sticks. Have had the cord gasket on other Celestions stick just a bit to the baffle, but never a speaker that simply wouldn't budge. It's like the speaker is still bolted up. Will know soon. Lil' boy went to bed so it's time to catch up on gear and house repair. ;D
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Post by mikefleming on Jun 19, 2006 19:11:27 GMT -7
Actually one of my Z tens is stuck to the baffle too. I tried to get it out once but it wouldn't budge, so I figured I didn't need it out that bad, and left it. Mike
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 19, 2006 20:47:23 GMT -7
oops, that was supposed to say cork gasket in the previous post. Cord gasket. heh heh Pulled the cab back pannels, chassis and speaker mounting bolts. Set the amp on the grill and pulled up on each speaker until a small portion started to lift...then slid a really wide/thin putty knife under the section and worked on trying to lift the area next to it...until it came up and the speaker eventually came loose. Did that with both. Can't believe how "attached" they were to the baffle. None of the cork gasket came away from either speaker, but they sure were compressed and tackey. So, the Webers are in...going to fire it up tomorrow w/the pedalboard and see how it sounds!! Silver/Blue Ceramic 50watt med dope combo.
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Post by kruzty on Jun 20, 2006 5:47:32 GMT -7
I'm sure you know this, but give the Webers some break-in time before really judging them...
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 20, 2006 9:17:43 GMT -7
I'm sure you know this, but give the Webers some break-in time before really judging them... Yup. Mostly interested to hear the difference in 'color' between the setups. Break-in shouldn't take long at all w/the dates coming up.
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Post by guitargeorge on Jun 20, 2006 11:25:40 GMT -7
I think the speakers are installed before the paint is fully dried and that is what causes the speaker to stick to the baffle board like it's glued, I had a similar experience removing my 10's be careful when using a putty knife to break the speaker loose from the baffle, I've heard some horror stories already.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 20, 2006 11:59:22 GMT -7
I recently emailed Z and asked if they would install beam blockers for me because I'd heard the speakers get stuck to the baffle board. That's when Brent (I think) wrote back and said they wouldn't do that but he said it was the Celestion cork gasket that gets stuck. Apparently the 10s do to. I've got some BBs I'm going to install in my new 2 x 10 cab when it arrives. I hope it's not too much trouble. I think the cabs are made in a separate location so I wouldn't think wet paint would be the problem but who knows?
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Post by guitargeorge on Jun 20, 2006 16:03:17 GMT -7
I had a 52 reissue tele that it took about 3 months for the neck finish to fully cure, it's possible that the paint is dry to the touch but is still not fully dry when they install the speakers and therefore it gets stuck to the baffleboard, I remember that tele neck would get so sticky when I played it and in about 3 months the problem vanished, also had a Rickenbacker 360 that had the same thing happen. All I gotta say is make sure you get the putty knife in between the gasket and the baffleboard or you can possibly ruin the speaker.
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 20, 2006 18:15:12 GMT -7
If you have the time and it's a nice day out - pull the pannels and chassis and let the cab set in the sun for a bit. Would loosen the 'grip' between the speaker(s) and the baffle and make it easier to seperate. Shouldn't have any issue with the cork gasket tearing/seperating from the speaker either.
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