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Post by frankie on Aug 15, 2024 13:09:47 GMT -7
Everyone thank visualguy for coming through with an amazing demo for this new amp. Dealers are taking orders now! Release date is 8/29/24. |
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Post by tumeniamps (Tom) on Aug 15, 2024 14:19:38 GMT -7
Beautiful demo visual guy, thanks for sharing. It looks like another Z will be coming to my home. Nice job Doc, it looks like another home run!!!
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Post by adam on Aug 15, 2024 15:41:51 GMT -7
Awesome demo!
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Post by doctorice on Aug 15, 2024 16:04:34 GMT -7
Cool. I'm not going to waste my time listening on my PC. Heading to the TV and audio system for a proper preview.
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Post by Zed on Aug 15, 2024 17:34:39 GMT -7
I’m on sweetwaters list. Hoping for one of the first ones lol. This thing sounds great! Now to choose head or combo??
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Post by BradPaisleyFan (Pat) on Aug 15, 2024 19:27:50 GMT -7
I’m just gonna go on with my day and pretend I didn’t see anything… 🙄
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Post by scottyc13 on Aug 16, 2024 3:49:28 GMT -7
Great demo.
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Post by doctorice on Aug 16, 2024 4:11:58 GMT -7
Is this a standard Z two-input set up that allows one to switch between the inputs by plugging a footswitch into one of the input jacks?
PS: video is apparently not public yet, so I ended up viewing on a PC. Eager to hear it through better speakers.
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Post by Zed on Aug 16, 2024 5:56:06 GMT -7
I want to know more about the circuit it’s inspired by. I really like the old bassman/bandmaster sound and I’ve been eveballing the z master for a while. I wonder if this is a tweed style circuit with different tubes and some mods for a more refined/useable sound and capability for master volume/effects loop. Maybe this will scratch the z master itch I have??
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Post by pcns on Aug 16, 2024 7:15:31 GMT -7
nice video!! Good job!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Aug 16, 2024 7:17:22 GMT -7
Wow, what a great demo. I love it, fantastic tone.
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Post by DRZ on Aug 16, 2024 7:25:51 GMT -7
Is this a standard Z two-input set up that allows one to switch between the inputs by plugging a footswitch into one of the input jacks? PS: video is apparently not public yet, so I ended up viewing on a PC. Eager to hear it through better speakers. Do you have a pair of good wireless headphones ? That is how I eval demo video's though my MAC. Z |
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Post by frankie on Aug 16, 2024 10:04:45 GMT -7
I want to know more about the circuit it’s inspired by. I really like the old bassman/bandmaster sound and I’ve been eveballing the z master for a while. I wonder if this is a tweed style circuit with different tubes and some mods for a more refined/useable sound and capability for master volume/effects loop. Maybe this will scratch the z master itch I have?? It's not inspired by anything circuit-wise. The initial idea was using the octal tubes from the film-o-sound amps, of which we had 3 samples. They all sounded different, and none of them particularly good. Both of the octal tubes are of different gain structures, not unlike a 12ax7 vs a 12au7, but that's also simplifying as a comparison to something someone would be familiar with. It's not a tweed style circuit, as there's no tweed we are aware of that used octal tubes or 7591s (in fact the latter is impossible). It just happens to sound somewhat tweed like when overdriven. Some amps are a "what if I use x-y-z" and it's tuning and tweaking and molding from there. No particular sound in mind until Z gets closer and closer to "perfection." At least perfection in the sense of "what more can this possibly give us?" That's why something like the Octal Six is exciting, it started as an idea, or an experiment with some new tubes. You don't try and posit the results of an experiment, and this is one that went particularly well. As to whether it will scratch your Z Master itch, the Z Master is definitely a "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" amp. The amp, married with cabinet, married with the very specific speaker complement is what gives the Z Master it's sound. There's certain amps that do a specific "sound." The Z Wreck and the Z Master are two of them, they aim for a particular sound and stand alone where you won't get that specific sound from another amp. The Octal Six sits in a more ephemeral spot. It can get tweed sounds, it can also get chimey cleans, it's play feel is unlike any of the 12ax7 amps in that it has a very unique response, the closest probably being the dynamics of the Z Wreck amps, but it doesn't sound like a Z Wreck. There's also a particular player who I won't name yet that recently bought a Z Wreck, who had never owned a Z before, that we sent the Octal Six to for a no-strings-attached, "tell us what you think," evaluation and his immediate response was "how do I keep this?" That's the sort of thing you want to hear that just confirms that Z nailed it. |
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Post by Zed on Aug 16, 2024 10:16:26 GMT -7
I want to know more about the circuit it’s inspired by. I really like the old bassman/bandmaster sound and I’ve been eveballing the z master for a while. I wonder if this is a tweed style circuit with different tubes and some mods for a more refined/useable sound and capability for master volume/effects loop. Maybe this will scratch the z master itch I have?? It's not inspired by anything circuit-wise. The initial idea was using the octal tubes from the film-o-sound amps, of which we had 3 samples. They all sounded different, and none of them particularly good. Both of the octal tubes are of different gain structures, not unlike a 12ax7 vs a 12au7, but that's also simplifying as a comparison to something someone would be familiar with. It's not a tweed style circuit, as there's no tweed we are aware of that used octal tubes or 7591s (in fact the latter is impossible). It just happens to sound somewhat tweed like when overdriven. Some amps are a "what if I use x-y-z" and it's tuning and tweaking and molding from there. No particular sound in mind until Z gets closer and closer to "perfection." At least perfection in the sense of "what more can this possibly give us?" That's why something like the Octal Six is exciting, it started as an idea, or an experiment with some new tubes. You don't try and posit the results of an experiment, and this is one that went particularly well. As to whether it will scratch your Z Master itch, the Z Master is definitely a "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" amp. The amp, married with cabinet, married with the very specific speaker complement is what gives the Z Master it's sound. There's certain amps that do a specific "sound." The Z Wreck and the Z Master are two of them, they aim for a particular sound and stand alone where you won't get that specific sound from another amp. The Octal Six sits in a more ephemeral spot. It can get tweed sounds, it can also get chimey cleans, it's play feel is unlike any of the 12ax7 amps in that it has a very unique response, the closest probably being the dynamics of the Z Wreck amps, but it doesn't sound like a Z Wreck. There's also a particular player who I won't name yet that recently bought a Z Wreck, who had never owned a Z before, that we sent the Octal Six to for a no-strings-attached, "tell us what you think," evaluation and his immediate response was "how do I keep this?" That's the sort of thing you want to hear that just confirms that Z nailed it. dude! This is excellant! I’m really excited about this one. I notice the touch sensitivity of the amp, not unlike the z wreck but more of a vintage-y familiar grittyness than say the z wreck. I can already tell it’s going to be good. And your right about the z master cabinet. I have a z-28-2 and I love the cab so much. I kinda want all my amps in that box!!!! |
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Post by BradPaisleyFan (Pat) on Aug 16, 2024 11:20:10 GMT -7
Is this a standard Z two-input set up that allows one to switch between the inputs by plugging a footswitch into one of the input jacks? PS: video is apparently not public yet, so I ended up viewing on a PC. Eager to hear it through better speakers. Do you have a pair of good wireless headphones ? That is how I eval demo video's though my MAC. Z Good headphones are the best way to listen |
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Post by scottyc13 on Aug 16, 2024 13:08:08 GMT -7
What a fantastic way to create an all new concept!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Aug 16, 2024 16:19:55 GMT -7
Two words. “Just Wonderful!” As in what a great amp.
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“Oh S#!t.” As in this is gonna cost me.
Either way congrats on a fine instrument.
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Post by visualguy on Aug 19, 2024 5:59:50 GMT -7
Hey everyone - I just wanted to say thank you for the kind words on the demo. It was a real treat to get to spend some time with the amp. The dynamics from pick attack is really something that is hard to capture in a video, but I gave it my best go. The Octal Six is a "tone in the hands" design if there ever was one! Cheers, all!
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Post by Fabio on Aug 19, 2024 12:29:10 GMT -7
I'm very interested in this, and visualguy , great demo! A Z with Octal preamp tubes makes so much sense. I had an Ampeg M12 a few years ago, 6SL7 pre, close to a Tweed Deluxe (5E3) but with it's own twist. These, paired with 7591's power and a great master volume is something really tempting! I saw the official release date, not sure if these questions were already asked or answered, but any plans on a head version? And also was there a set price point for this lovely Octal beast? |
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Aug 19, 2024 14:51:24 GMT -7
I'm very interested in this, and visualguy , great demo! A Z with Octal preamp tubes makes so much sense. I had an Ampeg M12 a few years ago, 6SL7 pre, close to a Tweed Deluxe (5E3) but with its own twist. These, paired with 7591's power and a great master volume is something really tempting! I saw the official release date, not sure if these questions were already asked or answered, but any plans on a head version? And also was there a set price point for this lovely Octal beast? There are both head and combo variations. Doc said the introductory price for the head was $1,899 and the 1x12 combo is $2,299. |
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Post by perryr on Aug 19, 2024 22:33:06 GMT -7
Not surprised to see another Z with 7591’s! The Jetta is tone to the bone and those 7591’s are a great sounding tube (with a Z designed output stage anyway)
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Post by oowl on Aug 25, 2024 17:32:37 GMT -7
It's not inspired by anything circuit-wise. The initial idea was using the octal tubes from the film-o-sound amps... .. That's the sort of thing you want to hear that just confirms that Z nailed it. Thanks for this very well written and informative post! ...and to VisualGuy for his excellent demo. Sounds like an amzing amp that fits well into Zs line and delivers something new and exciting into the amp market. |
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