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Post by Rockerfeller on Feb 28, 2023 7:39:06 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there.
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Post by Faze on Feb 28, 2023 8:03:01 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there. Look forward to hearing your results. I run my volume at 9-10 Treble at 1 Bass at 11 And master volume to the room Sometimes wide open. In smaller places about 2 o’clock on the MV With humbuckers I bring the bass down to 10 Enjoy your gig and that awesome amp !
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Post by Stephen on Feb 28, 2023 8:43:11 GMT -7
I have my first gig with mine on Thursday. But it’s outside and there’s a 80% chance of thunderstorms, so maybe not.
I’m interested to hear your results too.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Feb 28, 2023 9:46:06 GMT -7
It will also be the first gig where ILuvPunz and I BOTH use the Z28. So there's that too.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 28, 2023 14:06:35 GMT -7
So Z-56 then?
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Post by KeithA on Feb 28, 2023 14:13:15 GMT -7
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Post by Rockerfeller on Feb 28, 2023 14:27:45 GMT -7
I’ll try to remember to get a picture of a Z-56 gig stage set up.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Mar 1, 2023 9:28:23 GMT -7
Well, that was a really fun gig! I didn't have time to tweak the amp during sound check because we were running through some new stuff. But I set everything at noon with the master at 1pm. I played a couple of open sting country licks and felt the amp was basically in the right place. I ended up playing it like that all night. I hardly used any dirt pedals. Every tone I needed was found by either rolling back the volume or tone knobs on my Tele's and/or switching pickups and playing lighter or harder. When I did need a little bit more dirt, I stepped on my Greer Lightspeed. If I needed more volume I hit the Archer, but I didn't need that much. I was going to wait till my Thursday show to order the new Studio Slip, but that won't be necessary. I just placed the order.
Here's a stage shot of the Z-56's.....
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Post by Faze on Mar 1, 2023 10:11:17 GMT -7
Well, that was a really fun gig! I didn't have time to tweak the amp during sound check because we were running through some new stuff. But I set everything at noon with the master at 1pm. I played a couple of open sting country licks and felt the amps was basically in the right place. I ended up playing it like that all night. I hardly used any dirt pedals. Every tone I needed was found by either rolling back the volume or tone knobs on my Tele's and/or switching pickups and playing lighter or harder. When I did need a little bit more dirt, I stepped on my Greer Lightspeed. If I needed more volume I hit the Archer, but I didn't need that much. I was going to wait till my Thursday show to order the new Studio Slip, but that won't be necessary. I'll placing that order today. I am glad you like it. It just keeps getting better. Wait until that speaker breaks in. I use mine in a similar way. It really shines with boosts. They just push the amp into that bloom and then you just use your guitar tone knobs. Thats old school guitar playing 101. I use my lovepedal Tchula with my single coils as a always on pedal. And now I picked up a Benson germanium boost I use that with my Les paul and then If I want more gain use the tchula with it or my other pedals. Either way everything stacks good together with all my guitars. The fact that this amp loves pedals is great as well making it that much more of a powerful work horse.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Mar 1, 2023 10:20:09 GMT -7
Thats old school guitar playing 101. Well, I am old and I did go to school that sounds about right!
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Post by Don A on Mar 2, 2023 13:36:35 GMT -7
I was going to wait till my Thursday show to order the new Studio Slip, but that won't be necessary. I just placed the order.
The ultimate compliment (and commitment) that I can give an amp is to place an order with Studio Slips!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 2, 2023 14:22:22 GMT -7
Man, that’s a great sight - Zs and telecasters all over the place.
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Post by psj1026 (Pete) on Mar 22, 2023 11:54:47 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there. I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. Everyone in the crowd I talked to said they could not hear me (or any of us really). We can talk to each other on stage and they say its still too loud. Either I am deaf or they are too old, or maybe both. I am tired of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment I can't hear. I miss the old 3 piece band days, might be time for a change.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 22, 2023 13:20:43 GMT -7
Maybe have your bandmates try earplugs?
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Post by ME on Mar 22, 2023 13:55:52 GMT -7
Hard to play well when you can’t really “hear” yourself and the rest of the band. Most music of the styles these amps are designed for should have some volume to come across as they are supposed to heard. You don’t need to blow your eardrums, but it should be above conversation level. Need for both excitement and feel. Not that a lot of places, it seems, want that in bands. Dance clubs, another story, you can’t hear someone yelling in your ear! ME
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Post by Rockerfeller on Mar 22, 2023 13:59:04 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there. I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. Everyone in the crowd I talked to said they could not hear me (or any of us really). We can talk to each other on stage and they say its still too loud. Either I am deaf or they are too old, or maybe both. I am tired of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment I can't hear. I miss the old 3 piece band days, might be time for a change. If your amp was sitting right next to his amp and you guys were standing next to each other, it doesn’t matter how loud you play you’re gonna be in his sonic space. If someone in my band complains that my stage volume is too loud, then I usually am. Because they very rarely tell me that. But our drummer’s nickname is hammer. It’s hard to be too loud when you’re playing with the drummer whose nickname is “Hammer”. But based on my experience with the gigging the Z28 twice, your settings, don’t seem too loud to me. What amp was the other guitar player playing through? And did he seem too loud to you?
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Post by doctorice on Mar 22, 2023 14:09:57 GMT -7
I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. For me, MV on the Zs I have needs to be set to a point at which the amp "comes alive" for playing out. That's always been above 9 o'clock in my experience. Fwiw, in one of my previous bands several of the members didn't have much experience playing out, so they would react to the sound that they were hearing as if it was the mix the audience was hearing: "You're too loud"; "I can't hear you at all on my side of the stage"; etc. This gradually went away after some decent live recordings were made "out front" -- all of a sudden, things sounded pretty darn good to everyone.
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Post by DRZ on Mar 22, 2023 18:19:48 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there. I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. Everyone in the crowd I talked to said they could not hear me (or any of us really). We can talk to each other on stage and they say its still too loud. Either I am deaf or they are too old, or maybe both. I am tired of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment I can't hear. I miss the old 3 piece band days, might be time for a change. Really playing out on stage with a band and the Master Volume set at 9:00. Z
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Post by Rockerfeller on Mar 22, 2023 18:26:35 GMT -7
AND being told to turn down! There’s no way the amp was actually too loud.
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Post by rudeboy on Mar 22, 2023 18:59:45 GMT -7
"2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock". That's not even bedroom level for me.
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Post by helmi on Mar 23, 2023 3:09:34 GMT -7
I haven’t had more than 10 minutes of time with the new Z-28 II since it arrived. So I get to try it out in a big room tonight. A gig is the best place for a Dr. Z amp audition anyway and I’m looking forward to it. I’ll just set everything at noon and start from there. I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. Everyone in the crowd I talked to said they could not hear me (or any of us really). We can talk to each other on stage and they say its still too loud. Either I am deaf or they are too old, or maybe both. I am tired of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment I can't hear. I miss the old 3 piece band days, might be time for a change. I dont know why anybody tolerates this! Why even play out if you cant hear yourself? Sounds like nothing but aggravation to me. Is the money really worth compromising yourself and your music? Your a prisoner to some A-hole soundman, whose the soundman BECAUSE he cant play himself. let them listen to the juke box!!!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Mar 23, 2023 4:15:43 GMT -7
It’s probably not a volume issue, but rather the other guitarist was too close to you, and as Rockerfeller said you were in his sonic space. Because of the way the Z amp cuts through he was hearing you more clearly than himself. Curious to know what he is using.
I went to a jam the other night. Two guitarist set up right next to each other. Their amps really close together. One was an old music man 2x10, the other a 1 x12 Koch. I heard the Koch fairly clearly the other not so much. That could have been where I was sitting. When I got up, the other guitarist I played with took the music man and I the Koch. He played really loud saying later the amp was cutting in and out volume wise. I never heard that, but he was playing rock star moving about and just cranking. Me on the other hand only moved when I used the mic we shared. I turned up the Koch turned my guitar volume down, only kicking it up for a solo. I don’t know for sure but I suspect he heard more of me when I kicked it up for a solo and that disturbed him.
Some guitarists just don’t tolerate not being predominant. They have little sense of how to blend into the mix and that upsets their world. That’s how volume wars happen. Who suffers?The audience because it just turns to mush. “Playing in a band”, and “playing together in a band” are two different things. Unfortunately psj1026, I don’t think your other guitar player gets the concept of playing together in a band.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Mar 23, 2023 4:20:11 GMT -7
I was thinking the same thing. But in this case, it was the other guitar player in the band! But how disappointing. Your first gig with a new Dr. Z amp, you can't get it into it's sweet spot, or even close, and you have to be told to turn down?
And J4Gitr hit the nail on the head!
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Mar 23, 2023 7:16:02 GMT -7
I try what I saw Greg Martin do. He always turns his amp cab toward the side of he stage. He does not point it towards the audience. I have had good success with it. Of course you want to make sure to have the cab mic'd through the PA.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 23, 2023 8:01:00 GMT -7
Live sound, sound in the band, sharing the sonic space … these are all separate skill sets from learning the guitar. Good/great bands figure this out, or rely completely on a sound guy or manager to do so.
As mentioned above, recording from the FOH is the best/fastest way to highlight what isn’t working, IMO.
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Post by psj1026 (Pete) on Apr 24, 2023 12:07:35 GMT -7
I did my first gig with it Sat night. 200+ people with no soundman (we almost always have our own) My amp was on pre about 2-3 oclock and master at like 9 o'clock and the old guitarist next to me was bitching I was too loud. I see what everyone plays out on in this forum and I don't get it. Everyone in the crowd I talked to said they could not hear me (or any of us really). We can talk to each other on stage and they say its still too loud. Either I am deaf or they are too old, or maybe both. I am tired of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment I can't hear. I miss the old 3 piece band days, might be time for a change. Really playing out on stage with a band and the Master Volume set at 9:00. Z I had to follow up on this because I played another 200+ gig over the weekend with my Z28 MKII and CG both with master volumes. I was second guessing my settings from my last post but I was between 9-10 on my masters, I am guessing on both (CG can't be seen from the front) and I could not have been happier with my sound. It was full of life (love running 2 Z's in tandem) and the sound guy could not tell which amp was on due to the swirling 3D from both open cabs (CG has a homemade open back 1X12). He was already telling me to turn down (it was at like 10-11 at the time HAHA). Plenty loud out front and as long as I can hear myself I am fine. What a testament to the great MV installed on these amps. Would they open up a little louder, for sure but man did they sound great!
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Post by John on Apr 25, 2023 6:34:41 GMT -7
Just thumbing through this thread for the first time.
If working with a sound guy...it's always been my point of view: If given the opportunity, set up your amps so that they are not pointing at the sound board. The 'beam' will make him think it's loud everywhere. It seems that sound guys don't understand there is a 'beam' with guitar speakers.
Also, a clear plastic 'plexiglass' shield about 2" in front of your amp does wonders. You can still hear on stage, but it's not pointing the beam at the sound guy or the audience.
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Post by adam on Apr 25, 2023 15:01:34 GMT -7
Old rig with some plexiglass panel in front of one of the 4x12's. Amp blazing, but the panel totally cut the "beam". I think I bought a 2'x6' sheet and a couple hinges, probably $20 at the time. If it was an outdoor gig, I just didn't bother with the panel. Long time ago, but the whole rig was that Marshall (really a splawn quickrod) into the 4x12 and a jc-120 head into a a trace Elliot 4x12 stereo cab. I had another mic from the splawn going into the rack which would feed a tc g-major (all wet). Output of TC into a 4 channel di in the rack as well as the outputs from a Roland fantom synth/sampler into that di in stereo. For FOH, 1 mic on the Marshall, 2 mics on the jc-120, 4 di inputs for synth and effects, and a vocal mic for a total of 8 inputs. The good old days. I still have all that stuff. Picture is about 20 years old.
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