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Post by nicholas on Feb 14, 2023 11:42:05 GMT -7
I have one incoming. Curious if anyone is using one of these? I think KeithA has one in his big red tool box if I remember correctly? I'm getting it to replace my MXR M234 mono chorus which I actually like quite a bit. But I'm using it in a stereo setup and really want to try a stereo pedal. All the demos I've heard of the Boss pedal sound great, even though there are no knobs to adjust. So as long as it's not too overpowering and works in my effects loop I should be good to go. Looking for 80's Luke type tone and also a halved arse EVH, Rush type effect. Right now I'm running the MXR first in an effects loop with the dry output of the MXR into the left side of some strymon stereo effects and then back into the effects return of my main amp. I'm running the effect output of the MXR into the right side of the stereo effects, to my Fryette powerstation into a little Mesa Thiele cab. It work really good actually, but I'm hoping the Dimension C will sound better with the stereo spread but also not be too overpowering. If anyone has one I'd be curious to know how you like it and what type of tones you're going for with it. Pete makes everything sound good,
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Post by adam on Feb 14, 2023 17:55:41 GMT -7
Curious to see how you get on with it. It might sound fantastic. The dim d was used on a lot of recorded stuff on a send and return where it adds some width and dimension without sounding like a typical chorus. Like a little bit of slow rate, a little bit phase cancellation. It's all over Peter Gabriel's "So" record.
Lukather - that tri-stereo chorus. Fulltone made a rack version of that, big bucks.
Evh - the eventide, and the h9 does that really well. I think they make a stand alone pedal version of that sound and Pete demo'd that too. He also has a great demo of the EVh chorus which is quite a sound too.
Rush - Ce1/2 or jc-120 mixed with other amps. That's a cool sound and really heavy chorus, one side dry and one side modulated to hell.
You can also try running a heavy duty chorus pedal into one of the amps so you have a dry/wet thing. I've tried that with a mono analog man chorus (a thick, small stone sound), and that is huge in stereo, but not as much having the clean side.
Other - I've had really good results with a big "transparent" chorus sound from the TC corona, maybe the Petrucci preset. That's a really cool sound too.
A sample of the JC-120 sound that you can really get in the Boss waza in ce-1 mode stereo. Might sound stupid, but having a couple options for chorus could be a good thing. Subtle with the dim c, more over the top with the ce1 or analog man one like I mentioned. If you really are looking for subtle, the tc one is really cool sounding.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 14, 2023 18:47:23 GMT -7
Curious to see how you get on with it. It might sound fantastic. The dim d was used on a lot of recorded stuff on a send and return where it adds some width and dimension without sounding like a typical chorus. Like a little bit of slow rate, a little bit phase cancellation. It's all over Peter Gabriel's "So" record. Lukather - that tri-stereo chorus. Fulltone made a rack version of that, big bucks. Evh - the eventide, and the h9 does that really well. I think they make a stand alone pedal version of that sound and Pete demo'd that too. He also has a great demo of the EVh chorus which is quite a sound too. Rush - Ce1/2 or jc-120 mixed with other amps. That's a cool sound and really heavy chorus, one side dry and one side modulated to hell. You can also try running a heavy duty chorus pedal into one of the amps so you have a dry/wet thing. I've tried that with a mono analog man chorus (a thick, small stone sound), and that is huge in stereo, but not as much having the clean side. Other - I've had really good results with a big "transparent" chorus sound from the TC corona, maybe the Petrucci preset. That's a really cool sound too. A sample of the JC-120 sound that you can really get in the Boss waza in ce-1 mode stereo. Might sound stupid, but having a couple options for chorus could be a good thing. Subtle with the dim c, more over the top with the ce1 or analog man one like I mentioned. If you really are looking for subtle, the tc one is really cool sounding. Thanks Adam, cool tones in the video like usual. Yeah, I have an H9 it does most of that stuff, the detune and tri chorus. Sometimes I think it's actually too adjustable and can sound either awesome or terrible lol. I guess I'm just looking for something simple that sounds good and gets an approximation of the guys I mentioned. I think what I like about the MXR is that I can send a pretty heavy chorus into the wetter amp and my main tone doesn't get muddy. That's why I'm wondering if I really will like the stereo, particularly with a dirty tone. I guess there's only one way to find out lol. Hey, you know quite a bit about rack stuff. Did you ever come across a Klark teknik bbd-320? I guess it's a copy of the old Dimension D rack and really affordable. I'm not sure how it would interact with pedals at instrument level after it though. Don't know if you can mix and match that sort of stuff? For under 200 bucks I'm thinking about trying though. I found the H9 to really nail the later VH tone, but it sounded best to me in kill dry W/D. So it made it tricky to use any other effects with it since there was no dry coming through. I still use it from time to time, it's fun to mess around with for sure.
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Post by adam on Feb 15, 2023 2:50:22 GMT -7
1. I think what I like about the MXR is that I can send a pretty heavy chorus into the wetter amp and my main tone doesn't get muddy. That's why I'm wondering if I really will like the stereo, particularly with a dirty tone. I guess there's only one way to find out lol. 2. Hey, you know quite a bit about rack stuff. Did you ever come across a Klark teknik bbd-320? I guess it's a copy of the old Dimension D rack and really affordable. I'm not sure how it would interact with pedals at instrument level after it though. Don't know if you can mix and match that sort of stuff? For under 200 bucks I'm thinking about trying though. 3. I found the H9 to really nail the later VH tone, but it sounded best to me in kill dry W/D. So it made it tricky to use any other effects with it since there was no dry coming through. I still use it from time to time, it's fun to mess around with for sure. 1. Totally agree, only one way to find out! Like the idea of how you use the mxr. 2. I'd stay away. Cheap for a reason. 3. Agree, I don't like using it in line, like there aren't any sounds in it that really sound good to me that way. For chorus, any of the boss ones sound better to me, flanger stinks, a lot of people use it for the Leslie, but I think that stinks too. I don't like the reverbs. What's left? Well, in kill dry (like you said), the pitch things are great, and I love the delay and filtered delay. But it's such a hassle, like you really need the 2 wet sides to use it for one. I had fun using a midi controller for say 5 patch changes (one muted), a tap tempo switch, another switch for that hold function, and expression pedal to control the volume. That works great, but what a hassle. It also doesn't have really any headroom, like it takes a guitar signal and that's about it. And forget about trying to figure it out standalone. And it's expensive to boot. Lukather - maybe look at one of his recent rig rundowns. They mention a chorus pedal that he really likes, and he's using it into 2 amps like you.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 15, 2023 3:49:32 GMT -7
I have one incoming. Curious if anyone is using one of these? I think KeithA has one in his big red tool box if I remember correctly? I'm getting it to replace my MXR M234 mono chorus which I actually like quite a bit. But I'm using it in a stereo setup and really want to try a stereo pedal. All the demos I've heard of the Boss pedal sound great, even though there are no knobs to adjust. So as long as it's not too overpowering and works in my effects loop I should be good to go. Looking for 80's Luke type tone and also a halved arse EVH, Rush type effect. Right now I'm running the MXR first in an effects loop with the dry output of the MXR into the left side of some strymon stereo effects and then back into the effects return of my main amp. I'm running the effect output of the MXR into the right side of the stereo effects, to my Fryette powerstation into a little Mesa Thiele cab. It work really good actually, but I'm hoping the Dimension C will sound better with the stereo spread but also not be too overpowering. If anyone has one I'd be curious to know how you like it and what type of tones you're going for with it. Pete makes everything sound good, I use mine just to give a little bit of swirl to overdriven sounds. I like the simplicity of the 4 buttons and it’s definitely not over powering. I usually never go past the 2nd button do overdriven sounds but can go up to the 4th on 80s cleans (think Billy Idol ‘Flesh for Fantasy) 😉
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Post by nicholas on Feb 15, 2023 6:16:00 GMT -7
1. I think what I like about the MXR is that I can send a pretty heavy chorus into the wetter amp and my main tone doesn't get muddy. That's why I'm wondering if I really will like the stereo, particularly with a dirty tone. I guess there's only one way to find out lol. 2. Hey, you know quite a bit about rack stuff. Did you ever come across a Klark teknik bbd-320? I guess it's a copy of the old Dimension D rack and really affordable. I'm not sure how it would interact with pedals at instrument level after it though. Don't know if you can mix and match that sort of stuff? For under 200 bucks I'm thinking about trying though. 3. I found the H9 to really nail the later VH tone, but it sounded best to me in kill dry W/D. So it made it tricky to use any other effects with it since there was no dry coming through. I still use it from time to time, it's fun to mess around with for sure. 1. Totally agree, only one way to find out! Like the idea of how you use the mxr. 2. I'd stay away. Cheap for a reason. 3. Agree, I don't like using it in line, like there aren't any sounds in it that really sound good to me that way. For chorus, any of the boss ones sound better to me, flanger stinks, a lot of people use it for the Leslie, but I think that stinks too. I don't like the reverbs. What's left? Well, in kill dry (like you said), the pitch things are great, and I love the delay and filtered delay. But it's such a hassle, like you really need the 2 wet sides to use it for one. I had fun using a midi controller for say 5 patch changes (one muted), a tap tempo switch, another switch for that hold function, and expression pedal to control the volume. That works great, but what a hassle. It also doesn't have really any headroom, like it takes a guitar signal and that's about it. And forget about trying to figure it out standalone. And it's expensive to boot. Lukather - maybe look at one of his recent rig rundowns. They mention a chorus pedal that he really likes, and he's using it into 2 amps like you. 1) Yeah, the MXR really works great that way. It also has a level control that only effects the wet level so it can be set to unity when on, or a little boost which works real good for that effect when using two amps, especially if using a heavier delay in the wet amp. Really makes the chorus jump out front. With the depth set high and rate low it's sort of like a "still chorus" which works good for alot of stuff. It reminds me a little of a detune effect that way, sort of. The high/low cut knobs really tune it in. Even though it has quite a bit of adjustment, it's straight forward and super simple. 2) Figured as much 3) Those are all the same gripes I have with the H9. Plus it's a noisey little bugger. But when set up right the micro pitch detune and delay is pretty amazing. I was using it in kill dry, stereo, with a left and right wet only powered stage monitors with speaker sims. Signal for the H9 tapped of the speaker out with a adjustable speaker level / line out box so I could get the input level right. I just get sick of fussing with it and it requires alot of outboard stuff just for that one effect. It seems I was always chasing ground loops or noise gremlins of some sort with all that stuff. I'll look up some of those Lukather rig run downs. Should be fun either way.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 15, 2023 6:22:19 GMT -7
I have one incoming. Curious if anyone is using one of these? I think KeithA has one in his big red tool box if I remember correctly? I'm getting it to replace my MXR M234 mono chorus which I actually like quite a bit. But I'm using it in a stereo setup and really want to try a stereo pedal. All the demos I've heard of the Boss pedal sound great, even though there are no knobs to adjust. So as long as it's not too overpowering and works in my effects loop I should be good to go. Looking for 80's Luke type tone and also a halved arse EVH, Rush type effect. Right now I'm running the MXR first in an effects loop with the dry output of the MXR into the left side of some strymon stereo effects and then back into the effects return of my main amp. I'm running the effect output of the MXR into the right side of the stereo effects, to my Fryette powerstation into a little Mesa Thiele cab. It work really good actually, but I'm hoping the Dimension C will sound better with the stereo spread but also not be too overpowering. If anyone has one I'd be curious to know how you like it and what type of tones you're going for with it. Pete makes everything sound good, I use mine just to give a little bit of swirl to overdriven sounds. I like the simplicity of the 4 buttons and it’s definitely not over powering. I usually never go past the 2nd button do overdriven sounds but can go up to the 4th on 80s cleans (think Billy Idol ‘Flesh for Fantasy) 😉 Cool. All the demos sound really great. So I'm pretty sure I'll have a use for it one way or another even if it doesn't fit in the spot I'm intending. Haven't listened to any Idol in a while. Need to change that!
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Post by adam on Feb 15, 2023 14:36:56 GMT -7
Cool. All the demos sound really great. So I'm pretty sure I'll have a use for it one way or another even if it doesn't fit in the spot I'm intending. Haven't listened to any Idol in a while. Need to change that! It sounds to me like you have this chorus and stereo amp thing down! He was using some other chorus, but I couldn't find that video. But there's a new one! Edit - that sounds pretty horrific to me, but put the guitar in Luke's hands and it's probably a different thing. BUT, there is something to a mono chorus and letting the delay's handle the width and dimension.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 24, 2023 19:07:04 GMT -7
I've had some time to mess around with the Dimension C. It's pretty cool and I'm gonna keep it. But it's not really what I need for this particular application. Without a mix of any sort it's too overpowering run in stereo. It's ok sent only to the wet amp. I think it sounds best in front of a clean amp, so I'll keep it and try that more one of these day. It's a pretty cool concept and I do like what it does.
My buddy returned the H9 I borrowed him months ago. I forgot how awesome that micropitch algorithm is. I found a workaround to the routing issues I was having with it. Works like a champ now! It's one of those things that has so much in it I feel sort of silly just using the one algorithm, but it does it so well.
So I like the Dimension C but for other stuff, and I'm back in love with the H9 for this stuff lol.
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Post by kc on Mar 1, 2023 11:34:26 GMT -7
Recently I was looking for a chorus and was considering the Boss Dimension C Waza. But I cheaped out when I found the TC Electronic 3rd Dimension ($49) and bought it. I don't plan on ever running stereo chorus and couldn't hear much of a difference between the two. I'm not a studio player, just a weekend warrior, so the finer points of my guitar sound are undoubtedly at the mercy of the FOH sound person - my justification for going the cheap route!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 1, 2023 13:53:06 GMT -7
Recently I was looking for a chorus and was considering the Boss Dimension C Waza. But I cheaped out when I found the TC Electronic 3rd Dimension ($49) and bought it. I don't plan on ever running stereo chorus and couldn't hear much of a difference between the two. I'm not a studio player, just a weekend warrior, so the finer points of my guitar sound are undoubtedly at the mercy of the FOH sound person - my justification for going the cheap route! kc I got the TC as well. It's fine for what I need and really gets that '80s vibe.
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