oowl
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Post by oowl on Jan 27, 2023 13:01:28 GMT -7
I have a Remedy coming in and also an unloaded 212 from Mojotone (see link below). Cab is CLOSED BACK, SLANTED TOP, and same depth and height generally as 412. I have a 25w GB and CB-M that I'm planning to put in it, both 8ohms, and the question is - which do I put on top? I have read that the more powerful speaker should be on the bottom but, in this case, there is only 1db difference (98 for Greenie, 97 for Cream). In my comparisons, using Z convertable 112 with back open (middle panel off) I like the GB slightly better. It is a bit more lively sounding, but I have not compared them using the Remedy. Also, I'm planning to wire them like the Wreck cab - series for 16ohms with them better handling speaker (Creamback) hooked up first in-line (and I know the effect of this is disputed, but I like the Dr's thinking on this) So I see advantages of having either speaker on top and am leaning toward the CB-M, though it probably won't actually make much difference. What are your thoughts? www.mojotone.com/Custom-Mojotone-2X12-Internal-Slant-Extension-Cabinet_2
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Jan 27, 2023 14:34:47 GMT -7
Let your ears guide you. Try it both ways. I've not run a 212 before, but I have done a bunch of experiments with a 112 combo and 112 extension. The only way I felt like I could really hear what one speaker was doing over another was if the cabs were feet apart. When the speakers are inches away from each other it seems to me that what you will hear is the blend of the two and not some of one and some of the other. I am curious as to what you will find.
I'm researching various 212's and plan to add one to the rig this year. So please post your thoughts when you get yours.
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Post by adam on Jan 27, 2023 16:28:23 GMT -7
They used to have the gb listed at 97 and I thought the cream65 was 99. I remember looking again later and they changed that. Gut thought is gb on top but agree with Matthew on using your ears. fwiw, I really like the remedy with my gb 4x12.
Also, a little birdie once told me that if a transformer is 16ohms and has taps for lower impedance (partial winds), using the full transformer (16) will generally sound better. That Pedal Show had an episode a long time ago on that, but I'm not sure if they really came up with anything definitive one way or the other. Probably splitting hairs, but worth mentioning I guess.
Hope you like the Remedy. I think it's one kick arse amp.
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Post by oowl on Jan 27, 2023 18:20:50 GMT -7
" Try it both ways." "When the speakers are inches away from each other it seems to me that what you will hear is the blend of the two and not some of one and some of the other." "So please post your thoughts when you get yours." Really trying to avoid trying "it both ways" That's a lot of screwing and unscrewing, but I know that's the only way to know for certain, despite what anyone says. They are very similar speakers anyways, so I know it prolly won't make much difference, but appreciate you relaying your experience. I will definitely get back with what I find but it may be a little while before I use it out with a band. I use my Z-Lux with the group I usually play with. Just thought this could be a good discussion and maybe someone will come up with something I hadn't thought of.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jan 27, 2023 20:46:52 GMT -7
To avoid all that screwing and unscrewing, couldn’t you just turn the cabinet on its top to get an idea how it would sound with the other speaker on top and then if you do like it better do the work, or am I missing something?
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Post by oowl on Jan 29, 2023 12:12:24 GMT -7
To avoid all that screwing and unscrewing, couldn’t you just turn the cabinet on its top to get an idea how it would sound with the other speaker on top and then if you do like it better do the work, or am I missing something? yea, I thought about that but it's a slant top cab so I don't think it would really work as a good test when flipped.
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Post by nicholas on Jan 30, 2023 9:13:00 GMT -7
To avoid all that screwing and unscrewing, couldn’t you just turn the cabinet on its top to get an idea how it would sound with the other speaker on top and then if you do like it better do the work, or am I missing something? yea, I thought about that but it's a slant top cab so I don't think it would really work as a good test when flipped. The only way to really tell what you like better is trying it both ways. Peraonally I'd put the lower Db speaker on the top. Then do what headshrinker(marc) said. Turn it upside down and lean it up against a wall until the bottom is vertical. That will give you close enough of an idea what you prefer. I did this not long ago w/ a 412. The problem with actually swapping the speaker position is too much time goes by between and it's hard to remember how it sounded before. The flipping worked good for me. Gotta funny feeling it will sound great both ways Then just rock out on the Rem !
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Post by oowl on Mar 27, 2023 17:40:15 GMT -7
Sorry it's been a bit. Got the cab then had a bunch of Irish tunes to learn for St. Paddy's gigs. Love this cabinet! Will not be changing from the GB CB-M as it sounds absolutely phenomenal!!! I have the CB-M on the top and they are wired in series as I planned. Love Remedy. Seems this was the final piece to it's full potential. imgur.com/laBxcM2imgur.com/O6ROXSXimgur.com/Wqxa0F7
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