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Post by LT on Nov 4, 2022 16:16:06 GMT -7
Should be here tomorrow. I'll post some thoughts soon.
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Post by steiner on Nov 4, 2022 18:10:24 GMT -7
One landed here yesterday. It comes with a nice plush bag and goes to 11. This one will spend most of its life in the bag.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 4, 2022 18:12:48 GMT -7
You didn't like it, or it's for investment?
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Post by steiner on Nov 4, 2022 22:22:56 GMT -7
First blush wasn't impressive. It sounds SLOish in a line 6 sort of way.
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Post by LT on Nov 5, 2022 6:34:23 GMT -7
First blush wasn't impressive. It sounds SLOish in a line 6 sort of way. That doesn't sound good. I hope my mileage varies!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Nov 5, 2022 8:57:10 GMT -7
I listened to several demos last night and sounds great to me. Pete Thorne compares it in real-time with his SLO amp and it’s indistinguishable to me anyway. I think you’ll like it. By the way, my King of Tone is in the bag and box too, but not because I don’t like it.
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Post by LT on Nov 5, 2022 10:22:48 GMT -7
I listened to several demos last night and sounds great to me. Pete Thorne compares it in real-time with his SLO amp and it’s indistinguishable to me anyway. I think you’ll like it. By the way, my King of Tone is in the bag and box too, but not because I don’t like it. Pete's demo against his real SLO sold me on it. I have to admit my KOT and POT are both in the bags/boxes. I can't justify gigging with pedals that are accelerating in value like that. If Analog Mike decides to pull a Mike Fuller and retire, those things are going to go through the roof.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Nov 5, 2022 11:59:32 GMT -7
I listened to several demos last night and sounds great to me. Pete Thorne compares it in real-time with his SLO amp and it’s indistinguishable to me anyway. I think you’ll like it. By the way, my King of Tone is in the bag and box too, but not because I don’t like it. Pete's demo against his real SLO sold me on it. I have to admit my KOT and POT are both in the bags/boxes. I can't justify gigging with pedals that are accelerating in value like that. If Analog Mike decides to pull a Mike Fuller and retire, those things are going to go through the roof. My thinking exactly.
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Post by LT on Nov 5, 2022 15:40:59 GMT -7
Got to spend about 15 minutes with it today. Short answer....I like it.
Details: used my P Thorn Suhr into a clean MK1 Boogie. I want this to be a lead drive pedal to replace my KOT. I don't need a super high gain tone, just one that's higher than a TS Mini and a Boss BD2 w Keeley mod which will precede this on the signal flow.
I started with all the knobs at noon on the SLO. This gave me a very 80's style drive which I don't need. Too buzzy and too much bass for me (deep switch was not engaged). I tried all of the pickup positions on the Suhr and still didn't like it.
Started to fiddle with the knobs and I ended up with a kinda radical setting that works so far. Treble and Presence are completely off. Mid is at 3 o'clock, Bass at 9 o'clock. Gain is at about 10 o'clock and Level to taste. I need to try this with my primary stage guitars/amp, then gig it, but so far I do like it. I also like it's relatively compact size. I've decided I'm not gigging with any board larger than the PT Metro 20 (20" x 8").
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Post by adam on Nov 6, 2022 4:07:12 GMT -7
I watched a bunch of videos on the pedal and thought they basically all sounded really good. The Henning Paul one comparing it to the SLO 100 was probably a little more revealing than the Thorn video.
My old jaded take on these things is as much as I want to like some higher gain distortion pedal, and could see a real use for one, they always leave me really flat. I expect and want them to react like higher gain amp distortion, and they just never seem to be close to me. They might make a decent tone, but they suck all the dynamics and nuance out of the guitar and just make them no fun to play. For me anyway.
I did get to try a SLO30 not too long ago and thought that sounded great. The only real knock there was you could get an ok clean out of it, but you couldn't balance that against the gain side. If you put the clean channel in crunch mode, that made a great sound and balanced with the higher gain side. Anyway, that thing sounded really good, but it's also $2900 compared to the $230 pedal. I could imagine the 100 watt version at $4000 would work even better, like have more dynamics to compensate with the gain, but again, big $ difference. Probably no free lunch with this stuff.
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Post by doctorice on Nov 6, 2022 7:44:47 GMT -7
Started to fiddle with the knobs and I ended up with a kinda radical setting that works so far. Treble and Presence are completely off. Mid is at 3 o'clock, Bass at 9 o'clock. This seems similar to how Robin Trower reportedly sets his Marshalls. He sounds pretty good
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Post by adam on Nov 6, 2022 8:01:40 GMT -7
Started to fiddle with the knobs and I ended up with a kinda radical setting that works so far. Treble and Presence are completely off. Mid is at 3 o'clock, Bass at 9 o'clock. This seems similar to how Robin Trower reportedly sets his Marshalls. He sounds pretty good I've watched every Trower thing I can find. He always seems to use different pairs of amps and sets the controls different all the time. Basically fairly clean and really loud, but the sound he makes is just him over and over. His sense of feel and time and nuance of pitch is uncanny. Kind of like the old Santana stuff.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 6, 2022 8:37:56 GMT -7
This ↑↑↑↑↑ Trower is simply in a class by himself. It's like his soul is coming through the amplifier. Bridge of Sighs just kills me even today almost 50 years down the road.
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Post by LT on Nov 6, 2022 16:23:27 GMT -7
I watched a bunch of videos on the pedal and thought they basically all sounded really good. The Henning Paul one comparing it to the SLO 100 was probably a little more revealing than the Thorn video. My old jaded take on these things is as much as I want to like some higher gain distortion pedal, and could see a real use for one, they always leave me really flat. I expect and want them to react like higher gain amp distortion, and they just never seem to be close to me. They might make a decent tone, but they suck all the dynamics and nuance out of the guitar and just make them no fun to play. For me anyway. I did get to try a SLO30 not too long ago and thought that sounded great. The only real knock there was you could get an ok clean out of it, but you couldn't balance that against the gain side. If you put the clean channel in crunch mode, that made a great sound and balanced with the higher gain side. Anyway, that thing sounded really good, but it's also $2900 compared to the $230 pedal. I could imagine the 100 watt version at $4000 would work even better, like have more dynamics to compensate with the gain, but again, big $ difference. Probably no free lunch with this stuff. The Henning Paul one comparing it to the SLO 100 was probably a little more revealing than the Thorn video. Adam....I can't find this one. Can you share a link? I totally agree about the Pedal vs Amp comments. I've tried SO MANY MIB pedals and none of them compare to my ol 4 input heads or even my mid 80's 4010 combo. But at this stage of gigging (what I have left) I find pedals will get me close to the desired outcome (and as you mention, at a way less investment).
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Post by adam on Nov 6, 2022 16:46:01 GMT -7
This one comparing the slo100 to the pedal.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 6, 2022 17:52:45 GMT -7
I notice that it sounds pretty noisy, and I'm wondering if it's his studio, or single coil pups that are contributing. What's your take on the noise levels? I'd like to try it but it wouldn't be for shredding or real high gain stuff, just some good crunchy saturation, like you said Lou. A higher gain than a TS but not like a super cranked Rat or DS-1 type thing.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 7, 2022 3:24:12 GMT -7
So would you say it's noisier than other gain pedals, or no?
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Post by LT on Nov 7, 2022 7:14:16 GMT -7
So would you say it's noisier than other gain pedals, or no? I would say no Dave. I had my pedals plugged into my POD last night and listened with headphones, so any excess noise would have been very easy to pick out.
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Post by adam on Nov 7, 2022 7:19:12 GMT -7
I notice that it sounds pretty noisy, and I'm wondering if it's his studio, or single coil pups that are contributing. What's your take on the noise levels? I'd like to try it but it wouldn't be for shredding or real high gain stuff, just some good crunchy saturation, like you said Lou. A higher gain than a TS but not like a super cranked Rat or DS-1 type thing. I noticed that a bit too. Also noticed it sounded pretty good in that clean greenish (blueish?) tone king (?) amp, but some of the others (Morgan?) were just nasty and horrible. Bottom line, I thought hp42 video was really good on that level of showing a pretty wide variety of amps and how they worked with the pedal. I do kind of wish sometimes people would say what they are thinking though, like "boy is that noisy", or I can't get rid of the tub here", or " I can't dial out the brittle highs here", or "there's no oomph when I hit it hard". Those things are hard to discern in a video demo without someone explaining it. I'll wait to see how you guys get on with the pedal. I've kind of had enough of buying pedals and basically being disappointed in all of them. Part of the journey I guess.
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Post by LT on Nov 7, 2022 11:18:34 GMT -7
Played around with it some more. I listened specifically for the noise floor against my usual drives. It IS considerably noisier than all of my others.
I'm thinking about sending it back. For the $$, it needs to knock my socks off, and so far, while it's been good, it hasn't been great.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 7, 2022 16:28:00 GMT -7
Oops, I just ordered one after watching all the videos. It'll be fun to see if it has the attack and vibe I like...and I can always send it back.
Looking forward to hearing some more about this pedal. I really have to think about having a fire sale on drive pedals soon...I'm running out of room!
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Post by LT on Nov 7, 2022 17:02:19 GMT -7
^^^^ Dave, YMMV. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it.
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Post by doctorice on Nov 8, 2022 5:09:53 GMT -7
I keep getting reminded that the whole signal chain matters. Most recent example: I have a set up that I'm really enjoying for some of the music I gravitate to playing. Two overdrives on the board are dialed in for the guitar (Tele) and amp (DB-4 going into a Creamback). Plugged the guitar and board into a stock Z-Lux combo, which is in a different room, and did not enjoy it nearly as much even after making a few amp adjustments. So everything matters, like the TPS guys say.
More on point for this thread: I generally have not gotten on well with AIB pedals. Most end up sold or relegated to the back bench. YMMV.
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