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Post by mjm123 on Oct 7, 2022 14:24:29 GMT -7
I have had an EZG-50 that was shipped after the first bass mod was done. (there may have been other changes). But, I was still struggling with it being too bass heavy, a bit muddier than I like, etc. Then I saw one of the threads on this topic where someone had gotten the latest update. Don explained to me that the EZG update addressed the issues I was having and it also included a post phase inverter master volume, a new switch on the back with two choices (Silver/Black) which sets the feel....and the amp would have improved tone, more mid clarity, etc. I said "Let's do it".
Just got the amp back and what an amazing difference. He was right. I think Dr. Z should bring this to market as the new EZG-60 (or something).
If you have the older version of the EZG-50, you might want to talk to the Dr. Z team.
Mike
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Post by nick0 on Oct 7, 2022 16:20:48 GMT -7
I did the same and it's amazing! What speaker do you run?
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Oct 7, 2022 16:53:38 GMT -7
Man I still really want one of these…
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Post by Ridgeback on Oct 7, 2022 18:37:50 GMT -7
Reports like these tempt me to call Don and send my 08 in. It had the gen 1 bass mod done locally which was a big improvement, but it sounds like it could be so much more with the current slate of factory mods. It just came up in the current rotation but maybe when I move on in 6 weeks, I'll give some serious thought to sending it in.
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Post by nick0 on Oct 7, 2022 18:41:29 GMT -7
I think the master volume alone is worth it. Opens up the amp to get a lot more tones without tearing your head off. The voicing is super smooth and clear. Great definition. Highly suggested!
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Post by mjm123 on Oct 7, 2022 19:00:50 GMT -7
I did the same and it's amazing! What speaker do you run? I have 1 4x10 with Ragin Cajun speakers and another 4x10 with Eminence Legend 1058 speakers. I prefer the Ragin Cajun’s.
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Post by mjm123 on Oct 7, 2022 19:04:00 GMT -7
I think the master volume alone is worth it. Opens up the amp to get a lot more tones without tearing your head off. The voicing is super smooth and clear. Great definition. Highly suggested! I have a Fryette PowerStation so I am not using the post inverter master volume. I did test it out a bit and with the pre/post volumes set higher, it does get a bit fizzy. Based on this I max out the master volume (which I assume bypasses it) and use the PowerStation. Just FYI.
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Post by nick0 on Oct 7, 2022 22:27:49 GMT -7
I only play clean so I probably wouldn't have much use for the PPIMV either. I'm quite happy with the current voicing through either of my two cabs since I had the bass mod done. I'm still tempted to see what tonal magic lies in the mods. Well if you're ever around the CLE, hit me up and we can jam.
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Post by nick0 on Oct 7, 2022 23:27:04 GMT -7
I'd just like to offer up my thoughts on ppimv and the EZG, clean amp, dirty amp etc... and im not a circuit guy so im probably completely wrong. Just the way i see it and maybe it'll give someone an idea to mess with. I don't think any of the tube amps i like/own go completely clean. As in they are always doing something. Even if its not clipping or distorting the wave, its still compressing, limiting, pushing frequencies, just general magic. One of the things i love about the EZG (if you get it dialed in this way) is it's ability to maintain a strong yet clear and very open sounding low end. Snap the low E and it is powerful and clear and you hear everything happening, hitting the fets, the pick attack, all of it. Yet its powerful and loud. Now make an inversion up the neck on the high strings and hit it hard. You can hear it overdriving and compressing. Yet hit the same chord and back off a lot on the attack and it clears up, yet still compresses and sustains and stays loud enough to not dissappear. So if you dial that in, all the power behind the EZG makes things LOUD. Yet I feel you need that power to keep the low neat and tight and loud and keep it from overdriving. So roll back the post phase inverter master volume, and it does two things for you. Most obviously, it decreases the volume. And im not talking bedroom volumes. Im just talking you're beverage wont end up vibrating onto the ground. The second is that some of those higer frequencies that get a little harsh, they suddenly smooth out just enough. So it's more than just a crank up the pre and post and get as much drive as you can and roll back the master. And im sure you guys know all this stuff. I just wanted to defend the ppimv a little because i love it so much! Its been such a game changer for me and has totally opened up a world of higher wattage, big bottle loveliness!
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Post by mjm123 on Oct 8, 2022 4:41:50 GMT -7
I'd just like to offer up my thoughts on ppimv and the EZG, clean amp, dirty amp etc... and im not a circuit guy so im probably completely wrong. Just the way i see it and maybe it'll give someone an idea to mess with. I don't think any of the tube amps i like/own go completely clean. As in they are always doing something. Even if its not clipping or distorting the wave, its still compressing, limiting, pushing frequencies, just general magic. One of the things i love about the EZG (if you get it dialed in this way) is it's ability to maintain a strong yet clear and very open sounding low end. Snap the low E and it is powerful and clear and you hear everything happening, hitting the fets, the pick attack, all of it. Yet its powerful and loud. Now make an inversion up the neck on the high strings and hit it hard. You can hear it overdriving and compressing. Yet hit the same chord and back off a lot on the attack and it clears up, yet still compresses and sustains and stays loud enough to not dissappear. So if you dial that in, all the power behind the EZG makes things LOUD. Yet I feel you need that power to keep the low neat and tight and loud and keep it from overdriving. So roll back the post phase inverter master volume, and it does two things for you. Most obviously, it decreases the volume. And im not talking bedroom volumes. Im just talking you're beverage wont end up vibrating onto the ground. The second is that some of those higer frequencies that get a little harsh, they suddenly smooth out just enough. So it's more than just a crank up the pre and post and get as much drive as you can and roll back the master. And im sure you guys know all this stuff. I just wanted to defend the ppimv a little because i love it so much! Its been such a game changer for me and has totally opened up a world of higher wattage, big bottle loveliness! I agree completely. Thanks for the detailed post. To be honest, I forgot that Master Volume was even part of the upgrade because I was interested in the voicing and have the PowerStation to handle that. It’s not that it is bad at all, just a bit different when your volumes are higher (I only ran a quick test and did not mess around with it) and I’m sure I could adjust the pre and post volumes to get things where I want. In my case I don’t need to. Either way, I do highly recommend the upgrade. For those that got the upgrade, do you prefer the Silver or Black switch setting? I’m a Silver guy. More messing around with it this weekend!
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Post by mjm123 on Oct 8, 2022 5:51:46 GMT -7
OK.... I did a quick test this morning. If you run the Pre and Post volumes at around 1 pm, with the PowerStation, you get some nice breakup.
When I do the same with the MV and the PS out of the loop, you get a cleaner sound. So, it's not really a fizziness but more how it sounds if using the MV. Some breakup goes away. Not sure if that's tied to the power tubes or preamp tubes because I did not test each individually.
When running the Pre and Post at 10 am, I did not hear much of a difference. Hope this helps. Again, either way, it's more about the voicing changes that really make the EZG-50+ (I'll call it that) shine. I've had a Carr Super Bee and I prefer the upgraded EZG-50.
Mike
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Post by nick0 on Oct 8, 2022 6:16:01 GMT -7
Thats an interesting result. I'll bet its breakup from the power section that you hear with the attenuator. It's great to have the option to use both depending on the tones you're going for! What speakers are you using?
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Post by mjm123 on Oct 8, 2022 10:06:59 GMT -7
Usually 4x10 with Eminence Ragin Cajuns which I'm a big fan of.
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Post by adam on Oct 8, 2022 13:08:32 GMT -7
Man I still really want one of these… Signed... Z-Lux Combo in Black Z-Lux Head 1x12 Z Cab in Red Cure Maz 8 Head/1x12 Z Cab In Black another Maz 8 head 1x12 cab in blond blond Z-Verb Red Z-Verb Maz 18 NR MKII in Black Therapy blonde Red Monza Air Brake, and few more now, but who is counting?
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Oct 8, 2022 14:55:58 GMT -7
Yeah I know, it’s Z addiction at its worst. The house is starting to look like a music store with all of the strats I built up lately. A Z for every room, including bathrooms.
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Post by nick0 on Oct 8, 2022 15:07:13 GMT -7
Yeah I know, it’s Z addiction at its worst. The house is starting to look like a music store with all of the strats I built up lately. A Z for every room, including bathrooms. I feel bad for you guys. Good thing i don't have that problem 😅
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 8, 2022 18:39:38 GMT -7
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Post by Ridgeback on Oct 9, 2022 8:29:56 GMT -7
I only play clean so I probably wouldn't have much use for the PPIMV either. I'm quite happy with the current voicing through either of my two cabs since I had the bass mod done. I'm still tempted to see what tonal magic lies in the mods. Well if you're ever around the CLE, hit me up and we can jam. Well nickO, I'm afraid that only the EZG will be making the trip to CLE from Seattle but thanks for the offer. (another Nick)
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