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Post by mozzarella on May 8, 2022 6:56:39 GMT -7
Hello guys,im Stelios from Greece.Here in Greece there is 0 stores that you can try a boutique amp so if you wanna buy one you have to rely on your ears through Youtube clips or travel to Germany .I have a Dr.Z 1x12 cab with a WGS Veteran 30 on it.I've looked into every Dr.Z amp and finally i have decided to go with the Z28 2x10 combo.Since i dont care about distorted tones cause im a clean player(95% of the time) is the Z28 for me?The dream tone that i have in my heard is from a Divided by 13 EDT 13/29 clip.So if you can send me a clip with a blues-jazz-surfy type of playing with the best cleans it can produce i would really appreciate it!! Here is the clip im talking about
P.S. Doc you are welcome to contribute!!
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on May 8, 2022 7:17:22 GMT -7
Hi Stelios. Whether the Z28 is what you’re after depends on lot on the volume you’ll be playing at. The Z28 is rated at 22 watts, but Doc’s watts are really loud watts so the Z28 seems louder than that. If you want a clean platform at louder volume, I’m not sure the Z28 would the best choice. My Z28 is used for “edge of breakup” tones and I think it’s magnificent for that. It also has the EF86 preamp which gives it a whole different feel. At lower volume (but still pretty loud) the Z28 cleans up nicely. If you’re wanting a louder clean platform in the 6L6 zone (I note that /13 is a 6L6 amp), the Therapy would fit the bill very well. Others will make additional suggestions.
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Post by Seńor Verde on May 8, 2022 8:35:26 GMT -7
I have and gig both the Z28 and Therapy. I also play clean with no breakup quite a bit. I get dirt using pedals. Therapy is my favorite amp, but for most gigs I use Z28 or even Cure. Unless I'm playing a large room or outdoors I think Z28 is the way to go.
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Post by helmi on May 8, 2022 9:19:30 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. now, I mean this with NO sarcasm or disrespect, but if your dream tone is from the Divided by 13 amp, why don’t you just but the Divided by 13? I’m a little confused by that.
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Post by mozzarella on May 8, 2022 10:34:39 GMT -7
Hi Stelios. Whether the Z28 is what you’re after depends on lot on the volume you’ll be playing at. The Z28 is rated at 22 watts, but Doc’s watts are really loud watts so the Z28 seems louder than that. If you want a clean platform at louder volume, I’m not sure the Z28 would the best choice. My Z28 is used for “edge of breakup” tones and I think it’s magnificent for that. It also has the EF86 preamp which gives it a whole different feel. At lower volume (but still pretty loud) the Z28 cleans up nicely. If you’re wanting a louder clean platform in the 6L6 zone (I note that /13 is a 6L6 amp), the Therapy would fit the bill very well. Others will make additional suggestions. Greg that was very informative!! Im looking mostly for a small wattage amp(max 20w),basically for home usage!
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Post by mozzarella on May 8, 2022 10:37:49 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. now, I mean this with NO sarcasm or disrespect, but if your dream tone is from the Divided by 13 amp, why don’t you just but the Divided by 13? I’m a little confused by that. I get your point but there are many reasons. -I find Divided by 13 overpriced(2000 euros for Z28 and 2800 euros for Divided by 13 EDT) -I see knowledge and wisdom in Doc's face -I have already a Dr.Z cabinet so i know the quality!
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Post by Ridgeback on May 8, 2022 11:18:09 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. The Z-28 has been my favorite Z model for many years. As stated previously, it is a loud 22 watts. Plenty of clean headroom as long as the tone controls stay below 12:00. In the past, I have compared the voicing to a Brown Princeton with a lot more volume\beef\complexity on tap. No experience with the /13.
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Post by helmi on May 8, 2022 11:47:33 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. now, I mean this with NO sarcasm or disrespect, but if your dream tone is from the Divided by 13 amp, why don’t you just but the Divided by 13? I’m a little confused by that. I get your point but there are many reasons. -I find Divided by 13 overpriced(2000 euros for Z28 and 2800 euros for Divided by 13 EDT) -I see knowledge and wisdom in Doc's face -I have already a Dr.Z cabinet so i know the quality! Good luck with the hunt sir. It’s always nice to hear from people overseas.
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Post by mozzarella on May 8, 2022 12:11:16 GMT -7
I get your point but there are many reasons. -I find Divided by 13 overpriced(2000 euros for Z28 and 2800 euros for Divided by 13 EDT) -I see knowledge and wisdom in Doc's face -I have already a Dr.Z cabinet so i know the quality! Good luck with the hunt sir. It’s always nice to hear from people overseas. Thanks a lot Helmi ! Also,nice to meet you guys!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on May 8, 2022 13:30:43 GMT -7
Good luck with the hunt sir. It’s always nice to hear from people overseas. Thanks a lot Helmi ! Also,nice to meet you guys! Welcome aboard, this is the best little place on the internet!
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on May 8, 2022 15:58:09 GMT -7
Hi Stelios. Whether the Z28 is what you’re after depends on lot on the volume you’ll be playing at. The Z28 is rated at 22 watts, but Doc’s watts are really loud watts so the Z28 seems louder than that. If you want a clean platform at louder volume, I’m not sure the Z28 would the best choice. My Z28 is used for “edge of breakup” tones and I think it’s magnificent for that. It also has the EF86 preamp which gives it a whole different feel. At lower volume (but still pretty loud) the Z28 cleans up nicely. If you’re wanting a louder clean platform in the 6L6 zone (I note that /13 is a 6L6 amp), the Therapy would fit the bill very well. Others will make additional suggestions. Greg that was very informative!! Im looking mostly for a small wattage amp(max 20w),basically for home usage! In that case the Z28 would be great. I really like the EF86 front end - different feel from other amps. The Z28 was my first Z and I still love it.
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Post by Stephen on May 8, 2022 16:43:20 GMT -7
Welcome. I just got a 2-10 Z-28 and I’m ready to gig with it. I’ll let you know.
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Post by detuned on May 9, 2022 6:08:06 GMT -7
Depending on how low-volume you need to go, you may consider an M-12. Same EF86 in the front, 12 (or 18, depending on your choices - there are threads in the M-12 section on this) watts of EL84 in the back. It's designed to be a clean platform, and louder than you might think.
I gigged mine for a couple of years, and only ran out of gas once in a really large reverberant room.
Don't get hung up though, on which preamp or power tubes each amp has, the real "secret sauce" is the good Dr.'s ears. Listen to a bunch of models to hear what they do. Adam, in particular, does some great demos, and the official Z YouTube channel has demos of everything.
And welcome to the Forum!
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Post by LT on May 9, 2022 14:36:49 GMT -7
I've never owned a Z28, but want one once the MKII becomes available.
I just chimed in to say welcome to the forum! Let us know what you end up with.
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Post by adam on May 9, 2022 16:02:02 GMT -7
mozzarella - I spent a little time with a Z28-2 and based on that and the clip you referenced, I don't know how you could go wrong with the Z28. To me, there are more similarities than not, and to be honest, I think the Z28 sounded a lot better. Hard to tell based on that clip, but I don't know how you could go wrong at all. Also, I played it through a greenback 1x12 and have really no idea about the 2-10's. Basically I feel like if you like that clip, you would love the z28. The surf/reverb part, you'd have to add something else, but the core tone would be spades. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by mozzarella on May 10, 2022 1:01:05 GMT -7
mozzarella - I spent a little time with a Z28-2 and based on that and the clip you referenced, I don't know how you could go wrong with the Z28. To me, there are more similarities than not, and to be honest, I think the Z28 sounded a lot better. Hard to tell based on that clip, but I don't know how you could go wrong at all. Also, I played it through a greenback 1x12 and have really no idea about the 2-10's. Basically I feel like if you like that clip, you would love the z28. The surf/reverb part, you'd have to add something else, but the core tone would be spades. Just my 2 cents. That was the damn answer i was looking for!!! Thanks,a lot Adam!! As you said,the core tone is my concern(cause i can get a Z-Verb in the future ).
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Post by dcarver on May 10, 2022 8:18:18 GMT -7
Welcome to Z Talk Stelios. Hope you find the perfect Z amp. Cheers
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Post by Joey Beverages on May 14, 2022 8:19:54 GMT -7
Welcome aboard
Long time Z28 player. Love the cleans with a Stratocaster thru the 210 … not bad with a Tele either
For a bit of a pushed/edge of break up into over-drive I like a dual humbucker guitar thru a 112 (V30 or any variation has been alright for me ) If you need more headroom for the cleans then maybe the Therapy …. my other amp being a Galaxie is also some major fun for cleans in the blues/jazz with a touch of tweed fun and goodness
Not sure I really answered your question - just felt like putting a coupla words together
Again - welcome to the forum.
Cheers always
Joel p.s. iirc Dr Z once said the best way to drive a Z amp is with a good humbucker guitar and a healthy dose of volume
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