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Post by modernfiction on Jun 5, 2021 6:51:04 GMT -7
Hey can anyone tell me if this is an original design by the Doc or is this a prescription that was rehoused into a 1x12 cab? Photos here at my page
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 5, 2021 9:17:15 GMT -7
It's a very detailed-looking reproduction, but something tells me that might not be an original Doc cabinet. The piping doesn't seem to go all the way around (or at least continuously on the two sides + bottom) plus it's missing the metal corners. I could be wrong but this looks like a (relatively nice) reproduction cab.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jun 5, 2021 13:42:21 GMT -7
Bubs and I were talking about this one this morning. Notice that the inside of the cab is not painted black. I checked the 16 Z combos in the MuZum and every one was painted black including my early prescription. I also checked Reverb for pics of Z combos and not a single one was bare wood. While it's possible it left the factory in an unpainted condition my money would be that it's a rehoused chassis.
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Post by modernfiction on Jun 5, 2021 15:10:47 GMT -7
Appreciate the feedback guys. I think you’re right with it being rehoused into this custom cab. The Z legacy website does list the prescription RX as having a 1x12 combo version but the black paint does raise the question.
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Post by bubs42 on Jun 5, 2021 20:17:49 GMT -7
Appreciate the feedback guys. I think you’re right with it being rehoused into this custom cab. The Z legacy website does list the prescription RX as having a 1x12 combo version but the black paint does raise the question. It looks great, and it has a Z. The only reason I even brought it up here and PM'ing you was the cabinet paint. It shows some real integrity that you have come out to seek the truth for yourself, so you can represent it correctly to the best of your knowledge.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jun 5, 2021 20:33:20 GMT -7
Here are a couple pics of my early Pre-Prescription combo - made before Doc decided to call it the Prescription. You can see how the piping differs around the grill cloth and how mine has the chrome corners.
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Post by modernfiction on Jun 5, 2021 22:08:28 GMT -7
Here are a couple pics of my early Pre-Prescription combo - made before Doc decided to call it the Prescription. You can see how the piping differs around the grill cloth and how mine has the chrome corners. These pictures peak my interest even more now Mike. I’m thinking my prescription combo might actually be original. Other than what you mentioned… they look almost identical. The thing that gives me faith is the question: “what setup was it before to be converted later into a 1x12 not by the Doc?” Because the Font and lettering on both of our amps are the same. The placement, the style of lettering and especially the logo on the back. It’s not the jagged Dr Z logo, they’re both in just a plain font compared to all other Z’s I’ve seen. Plus the names? Maz “Combo” 38 and Dr Z “Combo” Prescription. Both underlined and quotation marks. Both have the Fans as well and the layout of the back panel is the same. So my question is… if this was rehoused other than Dr. Z, what was it before and how did they get the same panels with the same font and style in the same places if it was any bigger like a 2x12 combo or a head but then the panel would be maybe too small. Another weird thing I noticed is the small gap on both sides of the front panel on both our amps. The plot thickens lol!!! Where’s the Doc when we need a verdict!
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Post by KeithA on Jun 6, 2021 3:13:05 GMT -7
While we are conjecturing here, my 2 cents 😉
I think it was originally a combo rehoused in another cab.
First, no metal corners on the cabinet. Next, the alignment of the screw holes on the top rear bar on the cabinet seem to be off centre more than normal. In addition, the placement of the fan as well as the type of angled metal bracket used. The speaker seems to be front mounted? Maybe Doc did this in the early days but I expect to see a rear mounted speaker. Finally, the piping style on the front of the grille.
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Post by DRZ on Jun 6, 2021 4:09:09 GMT -7
Here are a couple pics of my early Pre-Prescription combo - made before Doc decided to call it the Prescription. You can see how the piping differs around the grill cloth and how mine has the chrome corners. The plot thickens lol!!! Where’s the Doc when we need a verdict! OK I see you're needing a response from me. First that is a " PRE RX " sort of prototype built 26 years ago . My company is still relatively small , but then it was very small. I have hand built over 20,000 amps since then and my recollection of one piece is a bit cloudy. At that time each amp was build one at a time by me with no large inventory , each slightly unique , kind of one of. It never ceases to amaze me how you guys fail to realize that at that time I did not have the production or control of say Fender or Marshall. The photo's you supplied do not give me the critical detail I need to render such a profound verdict . I will say this the chassis appears to be 100% correct, which to me is WAY more important then the piping placement. I never have used that 12 " Eminence speaker in any of my builds. The no-corner rap is a very difficult technic and for it not to be pealing after 26 years is amazing to me . That would have been pre SSI days , and the man that would have built that cab Pete still works for me, so I can see if he recalls that build. There is certainly some suspicion about the origin of that cab, but without inspection I can't say. Z
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Post by modernfiction on Jun 6, 2021 7:58:57 GMT -7
Much appreciated Doc! I know being able to pinpoint 1 amp after 26 years would be almost impossible to verify but your knowledge of your designs definitely sheds some light. Thank You! If Pete ends up remembering this build that would be a crazy twist lol. This little combo really opened a can of worms… turned this whole thing into an investigation lol.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jun 6, 2021 8:24:29 GMT -7
Much appreciated Doc! I know being able to pinpoint 1 amp after 26 years would be almost impossible to verify but your knowledge of your designs definitely sheds some light. Thank You! If Pete ends up remembering this build that would be a crazy twist lol. This little combo really opened a can of worms… turned this whole thing into an investigation lol. FWIW - I think that everyone agrees the chassis is definitely an original Prescription. The concerns are strictly related to the cab.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Jun 6, 2021 9:55:11 GMT -7
To be a bit cheeky, (and not that I haven't been obsessed by minutiae at times) just play the darn amp and quit obsessing about the cabinet's origin. If it sounds great, the cab's origin doesn't really matter.
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Post by bubs42 on Jun 6, 2021 10:51:50 GMT -7
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Post by bubs42 on Jun 6, 2021 10:54:38 GMT -7
These are all really good questions, but like we all have said (Including Doc) its hard to tell not having it in hand.
BUT: Its not painted inside, looks super clean for an amp that old, and NO CAB CORNERS.
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Post by modernfiction on Jun 7, 2021 6:53:51 GMT -7
To be a bit cheeky, (and not that I haven't been obsessed by minutiae at times) just play the darn amp and quit obsessing about the cabinet's origin. If it sounds great, the cab's origin doesn't really matter. Haha I know. I do and it does sound great. I actually have this listed for sale on reverb and that’s how this whole thing got started. Someone messaged asking about the cabs origin, I think it was actually Bubs here lol. So the witch hunt ensued. When it comes to Dr. Z’s I think the biggest of fans like us see these as more than just amps. We appreciate the origins and story of this company and all of the designs the Doc has made and how they came to be, so they really turn into collectible memorabilia for us.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 7, 2021 9:05:50 GMT -7
To be a bit cheeky, (and not that I haven't been obsessed by minutiae at times) just play the darn amp and quit obsessing about the cabinet's origin. If it sounds great, the cab's origin doesn't really matter. To be fair, I've kind of been thinking THIS too. I mean, the cab does appear to have been made well; and if that's actually the case, then just roll with it because that amp circuit is something special to behold. The Private Jack speaker is a respectable choice, too--and that Brake Lite in there is going to be a necessity for sure.
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Post by lowbudget on Jun 7, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -7
Did anyone notice that the speaker was front loaded?
I’m no expert to be sure and the oldest Z amp I’ve owned was around a 2006, so maybe the doc did some like this earlier. But I’ve never seen one.
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Post by KeithA on Jun 7, 2021 10:33:15 GMT -7
While we are conjecturing here, my 2 cents 😉 I think it was originally a combo rehoused in another cab. First, no metal corners on the cabinet. Next, the alignment of the screw holes on the top rear bar on the cabinet seem to be off centre more than normal. In addition, the placement of the fan as well as the type of angled metal bracket used. The speaker seems to be front mounted? Maybe Doc did this in the early days but I expect to see a rear mounted speaker. Finally, the piping style on the front of the grille. Did anyone notice that the speaker was front loaded? I’m no expert to be sure and the oldest Z amp I’ve owned was around a 2006, so maybe the doc did some like this earlier. But I’ve never seen one. Yep The both of us are pretty sharp, eh
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Post by lowbudget on Jun 8, 2021 5:35:07 GMT -7
While we are conjecturing here, my 2 cents 😉 I think it was originally a combo rehoused in another cab. First, no metal corners on the cabinet. Next, the alignment of the screw holes on the top rear bar on the cabinet seem to be off centre more than normal. In addition, the placement of the fan as well as the type of angled metal bracket used. The speaker seems to be front mounted? Maybe Doc did this in the early days but I expect to see a rear mounted speaker. Finally, the piping style on the front of the grille. Did anyone notice that the speaker was front loaded? I’m no expert to be sure and the oldest Z amp I’ve owned was around a 2006, so maybe the doc did some like this earlier. But I’ve never seen one. Yep The both of us are pretty sharp, eh Well, that’ll teach me to read a little more thoroughly before posting. Good sighting, Keith!
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jun 8, 2021 6:14:34 GMT -7
Yep The both of us are pretty sharp, eh Well, that’ll teach me to read a little more thoroughly before posting. Good sighting, Keith! I'm thinking Keith went back and added it after the fact 😏😉
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Post by KeithA on Jun 8, 2021 6:36:17 GMT -7
Well, that’ll teach me to read a little more thoroughly before posting. Good sighting, Keith! I'm thinking Keith went back and added it after the fact 😏😉 Lol, yeah, I've been exposed
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