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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 12:37:44 GMT -7
I had to put a New Neck Pickup in My Strat. In doing so as I am not the most experienced solder person . I touched the edge of the Capacitor on 1 edge with the body not the tip of the Solder Iron. My Tone doesn't appear to work on The Neck Pickup : It's 5 way wiring where the Bridge and Middle in the first 4 positions use the first tone knob. They all work fine. The Neck uses the 2nd Tone knob > Here's a Picture : If I need a New one Should I just replace it with The OEM ? Or is there a Better Type I should use : Thanks
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Post by zpilot on Oct 24, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -7
Sounds like you might have melted through some layers and now they are shorting. No big deal. Caps are cheap. Well at least they are if you don't allow yourself to be conned by the hype. I've never been able to tell the difference between "orange drop" caps and the more expensive ones like "paper-in-oil" and the like. Especially "bumble bees". You can find orange drop caps at StewMac. I see you have a .1 MFD cap. I like lower values (.047 and .022) because they pass more mids.
And I'm not an "expert".
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Post by GuitarZ on Oct 24, 2020 15:50:50 GMT -7
My first thought after seeing the photo is that's not enough to kill the cap. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the only cap in there. I'm looking at this 5 way strat circuit diagram: 5 Way Circuit Diagram - Pinterest So, unless I'm wrong about the single cap or if the circuit looks different, I don't think the cap is the issue. (I checked a diagram on stewmac which showed the same basic diagram.) If you need another to swap in, the orange drops have a good rap and are only about five bucks at stew mac. You can't go wrong with OEM either.
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Post by GuitarZ on Oct 24, 2020 16:10:26 GMT -7
Adding on to my post above. Here's another person that ran into this problem and it seemed to turn out to be the switch: Tone Control Not Working Neck Pickup Some folks thought it might be a ground issue also, but it seemed like the switch was the trick. I was thinking "What would I do?" I'd probably google the issue thinking someone else also ran into it. I found another thread where the pickup was working, but not the tone control, and it turned out to be a pickup issue. That's odd. Here's that thread: tone control not workingI googled "tone control isn't working for neck pickup 5 way strat switch". I'd double check grounds. I'd read through the one with the switch issue for ideas. I'd then probably pop the old pickup back in to start eliminating issues. That's a pain in this case. I'd probably also swap another capacitor in that I have on hand that's near the same value to see if it is the cap and/or order a new one in parallel to check.
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Post by Don A on Oct 24, 2020 16:13:09 GMT -7
My first thought after seeing the photo is that's not enough to kill the cap. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the only cap in there. I'm looking at this 5 way strat circuit diagram: 5 Way Circuit Diagram - Pinterest So, unless I'm wrong about the single cap or if the circuit looks different, I don't think the cap is the issue. (I checked a diagram on stewmac which showed the same basic diagram.) I agree with this. There's typically one capacitor in a Strat and if either tone control works, the cap is fine.
BTW, the solder connection to ground on that cap looks very poor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 20:01:58 GMT -7
My first thought after seeing the photo is that's not enough to kill the cap. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the only cap in there. I'm looking at this 5 way strat circuit diagram: 5 Way Circuit Diagram - Pinterest So, unless I'm wrong about the single cap or if the circuit looks different, I don't think the cap is the issue. (I checked a diagram on stewmac which showed the same basic diagram.) I agree with this. There's typically one capacitor in a Strat and if either tone control works, the cap is fine. BTW, the solder connection to ground on that cap looks very poor.
Poor ground Really ? That's from Fender Unless solder melted when I got to close. But I don't think so as I just bumped the Cap for a second. I'm guessing from reading It's something I did installing the New Pickup. The volume pot looks pretty rough because I had to remove all 3 pups leads Since they were all soldered together . To get the neck wire out (which was on the bottom) I had to remove all the solder. some ran down the side . So I am starting to think I created some sort of short there. The Pots are CTS 013446 A 1732 . I can't find those numbers in available Pots. Assuming that doesn't matter . So long as I get a 250K Split shaft Volume Pot . They generally seem to be the same except for the shafts My friend who is a guitar tech in another area. Tells me to not worry about smearing the solder around . Unless some possibly went under the Cap. My thinking is Pots are $6.00. I may just by a New one and a capacitor and replace both : I will post some more pictures tomorrow
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Post by zpilot on Oct 24, 2020 20:49:33 GMT -7
If you buy the Fender replacement pot (250K Audio) it will come with a .022 poly film cap in the package.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 11:04:41 GMT -7
Received a Volume Pot and New Cap this morning VIA Amazon : Redid everything and still identical situation : I've decided for what it costs in Time as Well as Frustration : I'm just going to order a Kit and re-du it all. As it could be the Switch or who knows what.
I could waste money on Meters that I will likely never use again.
I did find a Guy on THEGEARPAGE Forum Selling Prewired Units Regular for $55.00 or Blender for $60.00 2 day Shipping . The parts he uses are quality : I am likely going to go that route and be done with it .
Working on Guitars While somewhat fun . Isn't really what I'd rather be doing : Just undecided with this Blender thing
ANy thoughts?
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Post by GuitarZ on Oct 25, 2020 11:25:20 GMT -7
My memories of troubleshooting when younger is that I’d always figure it out. Didn’t have to do much for a number of years. Now it seems like I swing and miss more than not. It’s frustrating. Trying to figure out if I’ve lost my knack or just out of practice. 😒 sounds like you have a good plan.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Oct 25, 2020 14:48:45 GMT -7
Over the decades I’ve decided when rewiring I tend to just get a prewired kit. They’re easy, you can get them with great components and treble bleeds if you want, and it’s a quick job to make the few solder connections to install. The modest premium over buying the components is worth my savings in time and frustration.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Oct 25, 2020 15:12:41 GMT -7
Over the decades I’ve decided when rewiring I tend to just get a prewired kit. They’re easy, you can get them with great components and treble bleeds if you want, and it’s a quick job to make the few solder connections to install. The modest premium over buying the components is worth my savings in time and frustration. Me too. 920D is my go-to when changing up a Strat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 15:22:01 GMT -7
I have the blender setup on my Grosh and rarely use it. I think its usefulness mostly depends on the specific neck and bridge pickups and how well they "blend" with each other. I prefer the neck and middle tone controls as long as the bridge pup is something I like raw. I always seem to get the best position 2 tone with this setup. As with all things tone, YMMV I have used pre wired harnesses before and given that you still have to solder the six pickup wires, the bridge ground wire and the two outlet jack wires, you are still doing a bunch of soldering. I found it easier to just trace each wire from a proper wiring diagram (mark them off as you confirm each one) and the problem usually becomes obvious. Make sure you have good ground connections on all components, either by wire or conducting tape on the pickguard. Good luck. PS: A cheapo ohm meter will cost a lot less than the harness and then you have a meter in the future for trouble shooting and no extra guitar parts hanging around that you will probably never use. Just my 2 cents. LOL Good Advice But You haven't seen Fenders Wire Job on The Strat : It flat out Sucks the way they grounded things together . You have wires on top of one another . Right in the way of a Solder joint . Unless you take it all apart and start over It is impossible > Soldering a Jack and a Few Leads I'm ok with : I appreciate the Blender advice Thanks
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