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Post by bubs42 on Jul 24, 2020 10:19:28 GMT -7
I keep thinking of adding another guitar, and I was thinking of a RXJR. I don't need a ton of wattage and I don't want to get rid of either of my other amps. Definitely thinking the M12 1x10 combo would be great for the rehearsals, to use with a pedalboard. Band is on hold, but at some point we will be back up and going.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 24, 2020 12:38:50 GMT -7
If you're used to the insane volume (known as "Z-watts," where an 18-watt Dr. Z amp sound like it might actually be packing 50 Watts) of the Ghia and Z28, then the M12 will be noticeably less-loud.
Mind you, it can still get freaking loud; however there's something about the M12--maybe it's as simple as the taper on its volume knob?--that allows you to just dial up the volume very gradually, in a way that would probably satisfy every "sound guy" out there. And the amp sounds great--very relaxed & pleasing--at these low volumes, too.
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Post by lowbudget on Jul 24, 2020 13:17:50 GMT -7
I have a 1x10 M12 combo with the standard Z 10" speaker. It doesn't get much attention just because of all the other Zs I have but every time I fire it up I'm astonished at how loud it is. After reading so many posts about how anemic the 1x10 was I was totally prepared to swap in one of my 10" Red Fangs but there is just no need when using the amp as intended IMO. This may be the "secret": I never checked for a long time but when I did I discovered it shipped from the factory with a 5AR4 rectifier. Doc said that building them by hand sometimes they just install whatever tubes sound best in each amp, but in any even it was now likely cranking 18-20 watts. I believe it!
Mark is correct about the volume pot taper-no attenuation ever need, even at home.
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Post by bubs42 on Jul 24, 2020 15:15:47 GMT -7
Then it would be perfect for rehearsals and small jams. I've read through almost all of the threads on the M12 and since it sounds different than the Z28 and the Ghia its definitely worth me considering.
Thanks for the input!
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jul 25, 2020 20:07:27 GMT -7
I think the M12 may have more overlap with your current amps (albeit much quieter) than the RXJR would. I own both the m12 and RXJR. Don’t take that as me discouraging you away from it though. The RXJR does clean at a louder volume, easily. Very scooped mids. The M12 can get pretty loud it’s just not terribly clean at that point. It’s just the right amount of juice for a small gig though. Can dial in volume as needed with speaker efficiency. The RXJR can also be tamed with the Master volume though. So they can do “quiet” equally.
At low volumes the M12 will sound fuller in the mids. The RXJR will have a biiiig low end and bright highs. I will say the M12 takes pedals better than RXJR. Much better. Both fun. Better together.
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 14, 2020 11:26:02 GMT -7
I think the M12 may have more overlap with your current amps (albeit much quieter) than the RXJR would. I own both the m12 and RXJR. Don’t take that as me discouraging you away from it though. The RXJR does clean at a louder volume, easily. Very scooped mids. The M12 can get pretty loud it’s just not terribly clean at that point. It’s just the right amount of juice for a small gig though. Can dial in volume as needed with speaker efficiency. The RXJR can also be tamed with the Master volume though. So they can do “quiet” equally. At low volumes the M12 will sound fuller in the mids. The RXJR will have a biiiig low end and bright highs. I will say the M12 takes pedals better than RXJR. Much better. Both fun. Better together. Thanks for your input, I really really wanted to do a Maserati, but the Z's I have are plenty loud enough. LOL I've listened to what everyone has had to say, I think the M12 is going to be my next Z. I have to move a couple of things and then i'll start looking.
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Post by lowbudget on Sept 14, 2020 12:03:46 GMT -7
I think the M12 may have more overlap with your current amps (albeit much quieter) than the RXJR would. I own both the m12 and RXJR. Don’t take that as me discouraging you away from it though. The RXJR does clean at a louder volume, easily. Very scooped mids. The M12 can get pretty loud it’s just not terribly clean at that point. It’s just the right amount of juice for a small gig though. Can dial in volume as needed with speaker efficiency. The RXJR can also be tamed with the Master volume though. So they can do “quiet” equally. At low volumes the M12 will sound fuller in the mids. The RXJR will have a biiiig low end and bright highs. I will say the M12 takes pedals better than RXJR. Much better. Both fun. Better together. Thanks for your input, I really really wanted to do a Maserati, but the Z's I have are plenty loud enough. LOL I've listened to what everyone has had to say, I think the M12 is going to be my next Z. I have to move a couple of things and then i'll start looking. You won't regret it IMO. One of Doc's most underrated and often ignored altogether creations.
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Post by lowbudget on Sept 14, 2020 14:44:05 GMT -7
Don’t know if it matters to you or not Bubs, but be aware that contrary to what a lot of folks think the M12 isn’t especially a lightweight.
After adjusting for speaker differences my M12 1x10 weighs 2 pounds more than either of my Ghia 1x10s. Took me by surprise.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 14, 2020 23:18:45 GMT -7
Love my M12. Reminds me a lot of the z-28 I had, just a bit different. Great complement to my z-lux
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Post by KeithA on Sept 15, 2020 3:01:11 GMT -7
Don’t know if it matters to you or not Bubs, but be aware that contrary to what a lot of folks think the M12 isn’t especially a lightweight. After adjusting for speaker differences my M12 1x10 weighs 2 pounds more than either of my Ghia 1x10s. Took me by surprise. Interesting, the website lists the Ghia head and M12 head at 24lbs. That may just be a generic weight for the size of the cab, etc. And there may be a difference in trannys as that would seem to be the only major component that could weigh more.
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 15, 2020 8:38:30 GMT -7
Don’t know if it matters to you or not Bubs, but be aware that contrary to what a lot of folks think the M12 isn’t especially a lightweight. After adjusting for speaker differences my M12 1x10 weighs 2 pounds more than either of my Ghia 1x10s. Took me by surprise. I don't think the weight is going to bother me. Its all about the tone and the size of the package. Anything is lighter than a ZBest. LOL It would be cool if doc made a small 1x12 to go under the 1x10 combo, that may just be my ultimate package. Were those weights with the same speaker? For me the fun will be tuning it to my ears with the right speaker, or it may just sound great with what ever it comes with.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 15, 2020 9:03:52 GMT -7
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Post by lowbudget on Sept 15, 2020 12:00:45 GMT -7
Don’t know if it matters to you or not Bubs, but be aware that contrary to what a lot of folks think the M12 isn’t especially a lightweight. After adjusting for speaker differences my M12 1x10 weighs 2 pounds more than either of my Ghia 1x10s. Took me by surprise. I don't think the weight is going to bother me. Its all about the tone and the size of the package. Anything is lighter than a ZBest. LOL It would be cool if doc made a small 1x12 to go under the 1x10 combo, that may just be my ultimate package. Were those weights with the same speaker? For me the fun will be tuning it to my ears with the right speaker, or it may just sound great with what ever it comes with. Bubs, as I mentioned I adjusted for the speaker weights. My 1x10 Ghia weighs 37.90 # with a red fang. Subtracting 7.7 # for the speaker leaves 30.20 #. My 1x10 M12 weighs 37.05 # with a Z 10". Subtracting 5.0# for the Z-10 leaves 32.05 #. Therefore a difference of 1.85 #. Not quite the 2# I stated above but close. I am using the manufacturer's stated weights for the speakers. I guess if the mfr. stated speaker weights are not accurate then I could be off. I was surprised. I sure would have thought the Ghia's trannies to be bigger and heavier. It's a real eye opener when I pick up my 33 # Cure next to one of these, but of course it has the new lightweight studio cab. BTW I really love the Z10 in the M12. I've even put together a second 1x10 Z cab with a Z10 speaker and when desired I can run them as an 8 ohm mini-stack hooked together with a PCNS Y-cable. Pretty cool looking too, all done up in blackout!
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 15, 2020 18:21:33 GMT -7
That sounds great, most likely that is what I would love to do. 1x10 Combo with a 1x10 ext.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Sept 16, 2020 6:40:50 GMT -7
That sounds great, most likely that is what I would love to do. 1x10 Combo with a 1x10 ext. That would be a super cool "micro stack" of sorts. Seems like it could be very versatile!
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Post by lowbudget on Sept 16, 2020 7:02:48 GMT -7
That sounds great, most likely that is what I would love to do. 1x10 Combo with a 1x10 ext. That would be a super cool "micro stack" of sorts. Seems like it could be very versatile! It is!
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 16, 2020 12:34:42 GMT -7
The Z Verb just landed, going to give it a run through its passes and see if it something that i'm going to use. Then i'm going to look for an M12.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 6, 2021 11:18:35 GMT -7
It’s official, I’m in the market for a M12. I was trying to wait until I sold the extra Ghia, not I cannot wait any longer.
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Post by trickyboy11 on Feb 24, 2021 18:56:10 GMT -7
I've gigged regularly with the M12 head with a 1x12 cab for a few years and I just picked up a Ghia 1x10 combo. I think I like the Ghia better. To my ears, it has a much better native distorted tone. The M12 does eat up pedals though.
I can't imagine being displeased with either.
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