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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Mar 25, 2006 16:25:50 GMT -7
I have my Z choice down to the MAZ Jr, but can't decide if the reverb or NR model is best for me. I love reverb, as in Fender reverb, but I worry the MAZ will not be able to get me there. I do have a pedal I use with my current amp which works great, so do I save the money and get the NR (the extra gain doesn't hurt either)? Does anyone have experience with a reverb pedal in front of the MAZ?
Thanks in advance for the advice!
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Mar 25, 2006 18:22:49 GMT -7
Hey shortyz, No experience with a reverb pedal. But,I love reverb too, so I got both my Maz Jr and Sr with reverb and I don't regret it. Lately i've been turning the reverb off for certain songs and guess what? The Z's still sound great! Good luck with your search. You can't go wrong if it's a "Z".
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Post by ruger9 on Mar 25, 2006 18:56:21 GMT -7
I've heard the reverb "takes something away" from the amp (as opposed to the NR models)... since I've pretty much decided on a M18J as well, I'd like to hear more about this... or is it an urban legend? (I hope so!)
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Post by hollowman on Mar 25, 2006 23:47:07 GMT -7
Shortyz
Go with the NR. You should have an effects loop with your NR that you can run a little verb in if you need it. Sometimes I will use some delay or echo in there as well if it seems a little dry. But really, your maz will fill up a lot of harmonic space so you probably won't miss the reverb anyway. Not really sure about the "exta gain" of the NR but I've never missed not having reverb on this amp. Either way, if it is your first Z then you can't go wrong....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2006 23:57:34 GMT -7
Shortyz and Ruger9 here is a link to PDW's post where he describes the differences between the Reverb and Non-reverb models. I have a Maz38SR NR 212 combo on order and can't wait. Now I don't use reverb at all because I find it dulls the responsiveness of an amp in a live situation. Besides there is natural reverb created in any live environment unless you are playing in a room the size of a bedroom. Now if you like to use reverb then it maybe worth it to have it on the amp. drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?board=Maz38&action=display&thread=1140130886&page=1#1140177921
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Post by ruger9 on Mar 26, 2006 6:37:11 GMT -7
Thanks for the link. I like having reverb for HOME use, that's all. Kind of fleshes the sound out a little in a very dry room. I guess I could get a reverb pedal or something for the loop, but I'd really rather have it onboard. I wonder if simply turning the verb down to "0" is the same as not having the verb at all?
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Post by axeman on Mar 26, 2006 7:00:57 GMT -7
My MAZ Jr. is a NR as well, no regrets at all.
I do run a pedal in front of the amp on my board. I've played with several, Digitech Digiverb and the new Line6 stompbox Verbzilla. Both are pretty good pedals, but I will say the Line6 is even quieter than the Digitech pedal.
I did return the Line6 recently though.... was not happy with the quaility of the pedal. The cases are built like a rock, but the selection knob for the various reverbs would be off by about three settings when the knob was in a full clockwise position. It was a pain to set. I expect more than that for $150.00 stompbox.
Lastly, TC Electronic released a new 1U Reverb, Modulation, and Delay unit called the G-Sharp at NAMM this year. I see they are selling for about $250 on some web sites I've checked. They are known for their reverb..... kind of a signature sound from them, some like it, some don't.
My recommendation, get the amp without reverb. I agree with some of the other post, you can add it with a pedal anytime, not to mention have the flexibility to mix and match verb pedals to your liking. I love my amp without it.
I can also recommend that you touch base with Stu at Fat Sound Guitars. Another good source for input.
- Keith
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Post by a42 on Mar 26, 2006 12:31:08 GMT -7
Thanks for the link. I like having reverb for HOME use, that's all. Kind of fleshes the sound out a little in a very dry room. I guess I could get a reverb pedal or something for the loop, but I'd really rather have it onboard. I wonder if simply turning the verb down to "0" is the same as not having the verb at all? If you only want it for home use... don't bother. I have a 1x12 combo with verb and I almost never turn the reverb on. This amp just doesn't need it, even in a bedroom setting.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Mar 26, 2006 15:25:10 GMT -7
Ruger9, Turning the verb down to "0" is NOT the same as not having it in the first place. You're not disengaging the 'verb circuitry; it's still there slightly loading down the circuit even with the knob on "0". In a low volume, i.e. bedroom situation, it's nice to have the 'verb, but... there's no substitute for that great clarity and feel of the Non-Reverb. I have recently acquired a Verbzilla and have been using it occasionally in the loop of my Stingray and Maz Jr. It causes the exact same slight loss of clarity, feel, and complexity that you get the the reverb equipped Maz's. The difference with the NR is, you can completely remove the reverb (pedal) from the circuit whenever you want and get back the clarity, gain, and complexity. And, I still don't think you need verb at all on Z amps. I just got the Verbzilla because I needed to perform "Poor Side of Town" and "Wichita Lineman" as recorded by Johnny A. Those kinds of ballads need a little ambiance, IMO.
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Post by ruger9 on Mar 26, 2006 16:10:22 GMT -7
Thanks for that, pdw. I hope I can track down a verb AND NR Maz18Jr when I'm buying. I'm used to the verb on my Peavey Classic 50, altho alot of people have the same opinion that "Z's don't need reverb".
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Mar 26, 2006 17:09:06 GMT -7
Thanks for the advice guys. With your input I decided on the NR MAZ. Thanks again!
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Post by joekondziella on Mar 26, 2006 19:22:28 GMT -7
I've had my Maz18nr since last summer and I don't miss the verb at all. Sounds killer. You can always add a little verb after the speaker through the PA or recorder which is a much better place to put it anyway to keep from coloring you tone.
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Post by ruger9 on Mar 27, 2006 4:17:40 GMT -7
Ruger9, Turning the verb down to "0" is NOT the same as not having it in the first place. You're not disengaging the 'verb circuitry; it's still there slightly loading down the circuit even with the knob on "0". OK, related question- what if you were to unplugg the reverb cable from the amp? Would that remove the verb from the circuit, or is the "loading" you speak of going on inside the amp (as opposed to the reverb pan), and cannot be removed regardless?
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Mar 27, 2006 5:50:18 GMT -7
Ruger9, Nope. That wouldn't do it. I wish it would!
PDW
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Post by dei305 on Apr 23, 2006 20:48:16 GMT -7
I just got a blonde Maz Jr 1-12 with verb. I have no complaints about the reverb tone, quality of the verb, depth, and medium delay. IMO, the reverb depth is directly linked to the master volume control. I find if I increase the volume (at the input) and back off the master I occasionally need to increase the reverb level control. I also find the reverb reacting to single coils and humbuckers very differently. I think this amp sounds totally incredible! I guess I am still an old school reverb kind of player. No regrets whatsoever about the reverb. This amp is a huge compliment to my Maz 38 invasion with verb. Rick.
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Post by mazmaster on Apr 24, 2006 9:03:13 GMT -7
I think reverb takes away from most amps and I've heard that said by a lot of reputable, experienced folks in regards to the Maz 18. It's precisely the reason Stu, at Fatsound, requested the NR in the first place. That model was inspired by him. When I had a Shiva and could click a footswitch to hardwire bypass the reverb, it sold me on the idea of non-reverb amps. The reverb just got in the way! At gigs, there's enough room reverb. Adding more to the amp just makes the tone sound too distant, IMO. I agree that in recordings, adding it at the console is a good thing...because it makes it sound more like a non-reverb amp in a real room!
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Post by mazmaster on Apr 24, 2006 9:05:08 GMT -7
Thanks for the link. I like having reverb for HOME use, that's all. Kind of fleshes the sound out a little in a very dry room. I guess I could get a reverb pedal or something for the loop, but I'd really rather have it onboard. I wonder if simply turning the verb down to "0" is the same as not having the verb at all? I'd get the NR version and add reverb for the bedroom. Turning down the verb on the Maz 18 does not take it out of the circuit. You're stuck with the tone-sucking no matter where the knob is set.
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Post by yinielin on Jun 20, 2006 15:33:33 GMT -7
If you already have the reverb model, is there a way to wire around the reverb chamber?
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 20, 2006 15:45:59 GMT -7
No easy way to do it. If all you want is the extra drive of the NR model just boost it a little harder with a pedal.
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