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Post by nicholas on Mar 3, 2020 13:02:13 GMT -7
My new Tom Anderson has the Buzz Feiten tuning system. This is a first for me. I did some reading up on it. Rather interesting. I bought the tuner suggested by Tom which is a Sonic Research ST-300 strobe. Wasn't terribly expensive and can save several tunings. I can use a normal tuning, and save my tempered tuning and intonation as well.
I guess the short of it is the intonation is set slightly "out of tune", the guitar is tuned with some strings slightly sharp and others slightly flat. Yet it all seems better in tune all over the fretboard. Other than the actual tuning temperaments, I'm not really sure what is "added" to the instrument?
This video, though hilariously grainy, seems to explain it well. What do you guys think about it?
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Post by steiner on Mar 3, 2020 14:44:12 GMT -7
Temper tuning on guitar is a deep rabbit hole. Feiten seems to be the best solution. I've seen fanned fretted guitars that appear take some getting used to. Perfect pitch doesn't come naturally to guitars.
Congrats on the new axe. Keep us abreast with the journey.
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Post by John on Mar 4, 2020 10:36:49 GMT -7
There's a James Taylor video out there where he talks about tuning. (It may have shown up on this forum a few months ago) He talks about how he flats certain strings...and by how much.
I don't take it to the level of James Taylor, but I normally flat the B and low E strings just a touch. I think the Feiten system tries to address these issues.
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Post by dcarver on Mar 4, 2020 13:05:18 GMT -7
Nicholas, does the nut on the new Anderson have little pockets where the string take-off point is recessed a bit on some strings ? That's how the nut on my friends Anderson is set up.
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Post by Jefferson on Mar 5, 2020 8:56:13 GMT -7
You should never take guitar set-up/tuning tips from someone named "Buzz"!!!
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Post by steiner on Mar 5, 2020 10:54:16 GMT -7
You should never take guitar set-up/tuning tips from someone named "Buzz"!!! It's OK if that's how you play!
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Post by nicholas on Mar 6, 2020 18:46:19 GMT -7
Nicholas, does the nut on the new Anderson have little pockets where the string take-off point is recessed a bit on some strings ? That's how the nut on my friends Anderson is set up. Not that I can see. Looks normal.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 13, 2020 1:10:45 GMT -7
I have a Warmoth neck on a Tele that has an Earvana nut. I think it is just a variation of the Feiten system. I have some experience with Feiten tuning and I found you still needed to tweak it a little. Truth be told I never had much trouble with standard intonation once I learned the tricks of how to tune the 1st and 2nd strings.
The Warmoth neck came with the Earvana nut installed. It requires a special cut. It is not the 2-piece one that overlaps the edge of the fretboard. I like it just fine but there is not enough improvement to warrant converting a standard nut to an Earvana.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 13, 2020 15:35:32 GMT -7
I read about the fret overlap nut on the Buzz F site. I think that's what you would install to retrofit. The nut on mine looks normal. Maybe I'd notice something with the strings off? I did see the concept is about moving the nut closer to the bridge. So maybe a guitar built to have the system just has a slightly shorter first fret length.
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Post by Rhythmark on Mar 14, 2020 9:53:23 GMT -7
Also check out the evertune bridge.
Guitar always stays in tune, no battery just mechanical genius! I haven’t tried one yet , but would like too.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 14, 2020 11:45:10 GMT -7
Also check out the evertune bridge. Guitar always stays in tune, no battery just mechanical genius! I haven’t tried one yet , but would like too. I watched an explanation video of that a while back. I was considering a Keisel (new name for Carvin) that had the evertune bridge as an option. Not sure I fully understand it, or if it would make the strings feel different. But interesting for sure.
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Post by kenjazz on Mar 31, 2021 19:20:38 GMT -7
I have a Anderson Tele with the buzz feistiness system The guitar does stay remarkabley in tune up and down the neck. I know about using the special tuner however I just tune normally and it works
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Post by kenjazz on Mar 31, 2021 19:21:22 GMT -7
Buzz feiten 😀
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Post by zpilot on Apr 1, 2021 10:41:53 GMT -7
Also check out the evertune bridge. Guitar always stays in tune, no battery just mechanical genius! I haven’t tried one yet , but would like too. The other guitarist in my band just bought a G&L with one of those bridges installed so I had a chance to try it out. It does what it claims. Strictly a chording instrument though as it takes away your ability to do bends and vibrato. That is a deal killer for me since I use those even when I am playing rhythm. I see it as a fix for heavy handed acoustic players that can't seem to play an electric in tune. Again it does that very well. I think a better fix would be a heavier set of strings or maybe just a hybrid heavy-bottom set.
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Post by John on Apr 1, 2021 12:18:08 GMT -7
The other guitarist in my band just bought a G&L with one of those bridges installed so I had a chance to try it out. It does what it claims. Strictly a chording instrument though as it takes away your ability to do bends and vibrato. That is a deal killer for me since I use those even when I am playing rhythm. I see it as a fix for heavy handed acoustic players that can't seem to play an electric in tune. Again it does that very well. I think a better fix would be a heavier set of strings or maybe just a hybrid heavy-bottom set.
Deal breaker of the century!
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Post by nicholas on Apr 1, 2021 18:55:57 GMT -7
Also check out the evertune bridge. Guitar always stays in tune, no battery just mechanical genius! I haven’t tried one yet , but would like too. The other guitarist in my band just bought a G&L with one of those bridges installed so I had a chance to try it out. It does what it claims. Strictly a chording instrument though as it takes away your ability to do bends and vibrato. That is a deal killer for me since I use those even when I am playing rhythm. I see it as a fix for heavy handed acoustic players that can't seem to play an electric in tune. Again it does that very well. I think a better fix would be a heavier set of strings or maybe just a hybrid heavy-bottom set. I've never used one. But I am intrigued as it seems like amazing engineering. Probably as complicated inside as the old Stienberger Trans-tremolo. I wonder if your friend set it up fully? I remembered reading about the bending adjustment a while ago. I looked it up quick. Watching this video is crazy. He bends the note and the pitch stays the same. But then adjusts the tension of the bridge with the tuning peg and now you can bend notes.
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Post by nicholas on Apr 1, 2021 19:09:52 GMT -7
I have a Anderson Tele with the buzz feistiness system The guitar does stay remarkabley in tune up and down the neck. I know about using the special tuner however I just tune normally and it works Yeah, when I got the guitar I was really interested in the tuning system. I bought the tuner they suggested, no regrets it's a great little strobe tuner and was affordable. I still have it on my board. However I was using a headstock tuner for a while and forgot all about the "sweetened" tuning and honestly I cant tell any difference lol.
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