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Post by carrjimi on Feb 2, 2019 19:50:48 GMT -7
I always thought that the Celestion Blue was "the" speaker for the Maz18. I got a hold of a made in England g12h30 and am very impressed. I actually like it better than the blue. It seems to have a little less in the mids which to my ears smooths the amp out a bit. Anyone else prefer the g12h30?
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Post by shiner51 on Feb 3, 2019 5:46:27 GMT -7
I actually just did the same thing and agree with you. My Maz came with a G12H30 and sounded great, but after reading so many good reviews about the Blue, I decided to try one. It was ok but had too much midrange for my ears and not enough bass. I also just got the Maz update done and did a side by side comparison with the Blue and the G12H30 that was in another cabinet , and to me the G12 was the clear winner. I ended up selling the Blue and reinstalled the G12 and am happy with the results. It seems to give the amp a little more headroom which I like because I usually play clean to on the edge of breakup with Teles and use pedals to get heavier overdrives.
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Post by perryr on Feb 3, 2019 12:51:59 GMT -7
Agreed, other speakers can steer the tone this way or that, but the G12H30 delivers everything the amp has to offer.. and it just sounds bigger than anything else I’ve ever tried. The top can be a little much, but the cut smooths it right out. And if you want to dial in some big sparkly cleans the h30 gets it. Some of the early Jr’s had a Weber speaker, kinda sounded like the old tone tubby, and that would tame the volume and smooth out the top, it’s a sweet tone... but put the h30 back in and whoa, so much more of everything. The evolution of the gain, tone and master volume controls allow users to get those lower volume, sweeter tones without having to compromise the full meal deal tones the h30 delivers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 14:34:58 GMT -7
The efficiency of this speaker can be helpful for those seeking 'headroom' with a low wattage amp. I also like the tone.
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Post by DRZ on Feb 3, 2019 14:35:52 GMT -7
Agreed, other speakers can steer the tone this way or that, but the G12H30 delivers everything the amp has to offer.. and it just sounds bigger than anything else I’ve ever tried. The top can be a little much, but the cut smooths it right out. And if you want to dial in some big sparkly cleans the h30 gets it. Some of the early Jr’s had a Weber speaker, kinda sounded like the old tone tubby, and that would tame the volume and smooth out the top, it’s a sweet tone... but put the h30 back in and whoa, so much more of everything. The evolution of the gain, tone and master volume controls allow users to get those lower volume, sweeter tones without having to compromise the full meal deal tones the h30 delivers. Hey Guys listen to Perry. If it wasn't for him pushing me there wouldn't have been a MAZ 18, it was his idea. Perry was an original MAZ 38 user, but thought a 1/2 power MAZ would be tits, he got the first one I believe. Z
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 14:45:07 GMT -7
Always thought the G12H30 was a very underrated speaker. Very sweet upper mids, rounded highs, rich lows, nice balance--what's not to like?
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Post by perryr on Feb 3, 2019 22:04:32 GMT -7
Agreed, other speakers can steer the tone this way or that, but the G12H30 delivers everything the amp has to offer.. and it just sounds bigger than anything else I’ve ever tried. The top can be a little much, but the cut smooths it right out. And if you want to dial in some big sparkly cleans the h30 gets it. Some of the early Jr’s had a Weber speaker, kinda sounded like the old tone tubby, and that would tame the volume and smooth out the top, it’s a sweet tone... but put the h30 back in and whoa, so much more of everything. The evolution of the gain, tone and master volume controls allow users to get those lower volume, sweeter tones without having to compromise the full meal deal tones the h30 delivers. Hey Guys listen to Perry. If it wasn't for him pushing me there wouldn't have been a MAZ 18, it was his idea. Perry was an original MAZ 38 user, but thought a 1/2 power MAZ would be tits, he got the first one I believe. Z Back in the day.. Z was wiring, soldering, talking on the phone and workin the day gig all at the same time.. AND coming up with new designs, on fire! I had a 38 head and then bought a combo with the steel grill and thought oh man, a half power version with a single BLUE would be the bomb. After much arm twisting (who would spend the same $ for something half powered?), Z agreed and I sent him a Celestion Blue to load into it. Though during the voicing the Blue didn’t seem like the perfect fit, and he ended up loading a classic lead 80 in it.. this was #1, thats how it shipped. (At that time the 70th Anniversary was still pretty New I think, 38’s were shipping with v30’s or classic 80’s as an option I believe). as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story, Z called me up some weeks later and said “Hey Perry, what you gonna do with that Blue that’s here on the shelf?” I said “Don’t know, why?” , “Well, Joe (Walsh) is here in the shop and wants to put it in an amp”... pinch, this real.. hum, well this story is priceless, I said “Ya, if you mean Joe as in Joe Walsh, he can do whatever he wants with that speaker!”
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 4, 2019 2:55:02 GMT -7
Super cool bit of history I had no idea about! Thanks for sharing!
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Post by John on Feb 4, 2019 4:56:49 GMT -7
Sorry guys...I just don't like the speaker. It's too scooped for me. It may be ok for recording or playing at home, but for live gigs, it's recessed mids don't agree with my ear. I'm much more of a greenback guy.
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Post by gbowman on Feb 4, 2019 12:07:01 GMT -7
I liked the G12H30 for its chimey tone, when I first got my Jr, but I agree with the above post that its didn't do it when playing loud(er) gigs. (I put a WGS ET65 in my Maz and there has been no looking back.) I put the G12H30 in a homemade 5E3 and it kills in there! I think the G12H30 is a great speaker, just not in my Jr.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 10, 2019 17:50:14 GMT -7
A G12H30 came in the MAZ 18 I bought about 2013. I changed to a Cannabis Rex, then a Tone Tubby, then C-Gold finally. All worked better than the G12. That speaker eventually found a home in my vintage Orange Hustler. It sounds perfect there. Almost like they came from the same era of amps/speakers in Great Britain, which of course they did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -7
Has anyone tried Dr. Z Custom Z-12 in the maz jr MKII
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Post by perryr on Feb 11, 2019 21:59:17 GMT -7
A little MAZ 18 MKII w/ G12H30 (the Black Studio cab is MAZ Jr #1, just posing 😎 )
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Post by zpilot on Feb 11, 2019 23:57:12 GMT -7
Nothing wrong with those tones. But notice they are all overdriven. My C-Gold does clean tones better which makes the amp a better pedal platform, at least for me. Now if I was going to play the amp like this, straight in and dirty, I probably would have left the G12 in there. I've played in blues bands where this would have been a perfect fit. The last one I was in I used a Vibro King with no pedals. A Vibro King, like a lot of great tube amps, does not start to sing until you push it into OD. This was in my "pre-Z" days. I just think the G12H30 is like that. It also worked best with my Strat, also seen here.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 12, 2019 8:29:41 GMT -7
I like the G12H a lot, but right now I've also got a C-Gold in my Maz 18NR MkII. It really sounds huge, fat, sweet and it's good overdriven too. Not for metal but great for rock and blues.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Mar 3, 2019 8:36:13 GMT -7
I agree with John. I gigged a couple Maz Jr amps for several years and they sound really thin with the G12H30, to me. Greenbacks and the Z12 sound kind of fizzy, ET65 isn't very clear sounding. So far, I like the Reaper HP best. Beefy/fatter G12H30 sound, to my ears and very clear. I play the amp clean with pedals. If I were to run the amp overdriven, I might go for a different speaker.
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Post by mfirst on Mar 7, 2019 7:40:23 GMT -7
I've put scads of different speakers in my Zs. Right now my Maz 18 has the original G12H in it. I think the story is summed up simply by understanding that Doc is pairing the speaker that best suits his voicing of the amp. As stated above, the G12H produces everything the MAZ has to offer. After that, we are tailoring. If I have to cover a wide variety of tones in a cover band, I'm going back to MAZ 18 with G12H.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 7, 2019 8:45:02 GMT -7
I recall at last summer's Z-Fest in Ohio that Doc had brought (and BW demo'ed) a MAZ 18 2x12 combo with 2 x G12H30's in it. (That must've been a big & heavy sucker, but man it sounded fantastic!) Doc stated later that--while he liked a combination of the G12H30 + Vintage 30 in a 2x12 format with the MAZ 38--with the MAZ 18 his preference has been just the straight-up G12H30 (or in this case, two of them). DRZ, I hope I'm putting the correct words in your mouth, but I found this to be an interesting distinction between the two MAZ's.
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Post by Rik on Mar 8, 2019 6:27:52 GMT -7
G12H is an outstanding speaker. Been back to it 3 times in my Maz. We should all trust the Doc’s ears on this one!
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Post by Rik on Apr 14, 2019 8:29:16 GMT -7
Plus if you want more mids.......turn the minds up^
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Post by alpione on Apr 15, 2019 16:19:48 GMT -7
Were Greenbacks ever stock? My 99 has one but not sure if it's original.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Nov 9, 2019 20:04:36 GMT -7
It's my favorite speaker anyway. It also happens to be what my Maz came to me with. Makes me happy.
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Post by StonySparrow on Nov 15, 2019 19:55:03 GMT -7
I just picked up an '05 Maz 18 with reverb. The previous owner had installed a Hellatone 30 that seems to have a TON of bass. I have the bass rolled off to about 8:00 to keep it from being boomy. It could also be attributed to the JJ EL84's. I've order a set of 6N14N's from Perry before considering a speaker swap to a g12h30.
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Post by digs57 on Nov 16, 2019 7:50:31 GMT -7
The new jetta has English made speaker in it...guess only way you can tell is the little sticker upside the magnet...wonder if someone has experience with both Chinese and English made...the later does still come as upgrade?
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Post by perryr on Nov 16, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -7
I just picked up an '05 Maz 18 with reverb. The previous owner had installed a Hellatone 30 that seems to have a TON of bass. I have the bass rolled off to about 8:00 to keep it from being boomy. It could also be attributed to the JJ EL84's. I've order a set of 6N14N's from Perry before considering a speaker swap to a g12h30. I do believe the Hellatone 30 is a G12H30 that has been broken in a bit. Sometimes the bottom can get boomy depending on the room or if its positioned near a wall or corner (bass boundary effect).
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Post by perryr on Nov 16, 2019 14:28:48 GMT -7
The new jetta has English made speaker in it...guess only way you can tell is the little sticker upside the magnet...wonder if someone has experience with both Chinese and English made...the later does still come as upgrade? I once had a stack of Celestion Vintage 30's that I had accumulated, old ones, new ones, Chinese, UK... went through them all to find my favorite, it was a Chinese made. I think its pretty much just a matter of assembly and QA, parts are the same.
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Post by digs57 on Nov 16, 2019 15:03:24 GMT -7
I read some were that there all assembled on like machinery?...
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Post by StonySparrow on Nov 16, 2019 19:16:32 GMT -7
I just picked up an '05 Maz 18 with reverb. The previous owner had installed a Hellatone 30 that seems to have a TON of bass. I have the bass rolled off to about 8:00 to keep it from being boomy. It could also be attributed to the JJ EL84's. I've order a set of 6N14N's from Perry before considering a speaker swap to a g12h30. I do believe the Hellatone 30 is a G12H30 that has been broken in a bit. Sometimes the bottom can get boomy depending on the room or if its positioned near a wall or corner (bass boundary effect). Thanks! That's good to know. You were right about the room. I played it at practice tonight and the bass was fine.
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Post by John on Nov 17, 2019 5:07:25 GMT -7
Yes, the Hellatone 30 IS a G12H 30.
From the Avatar website:
We start with a stock great sounding classic 30 watt Celestion G12H30s. We then convert it into a Hellatone by exercising the suspension for 15 hours so when you get it, it has a warmer tone on the very first note.
When speakers are new, the cone doesn't want to move back and forth as freely as it should. So after many hours of playing, the cone finally loosens up and moves freely. This results in more bass. And this is why I really don't care for the G12H 30. Too much bass relative to mids.
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Post by digs57 on Dec 3, 2019 19:16:52 GMT -7
Just picked up new maz 18 blackout version 1 blowout from humbuckers...uk made g12h in it sound nice!!!
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