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Post by gwhubbard on Feb 5, 2006 15:21:33 GMT -7
I have lurked for months on this board...Great info. I have had my Maz JR for 4 months and love the dynamics and articulation, but would love a little more bottom end. I found great use of the controls..( unconventional as mentioned here), but still want more *thump*. I have a 1x12 combo and wonder if any pedal will accomplish this without purchasing a cabinet. Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Dr. Z line ;D Maybe I should just get an A/B/Y box and mix it with my Marshall.... Any suggestions appreciated
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 5, 2006 15:38:44 GMT -7
A closed back extension cab would probably do it. A pedal would probably get mushy.
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Post by Strato on Feb 5, 2006 18:50:34 GMT -7
I know this doesnt really help you, but my Maz Jr with Zbest has more bottom end than i could ever need. I think a 1x12 closed back extension cab would do the trick for you.
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Post by gwhubbard on Feb 5, 2006 20:39:37 GMT -7
thanks for the info.....I'm skeptical that a cab could add this much bass....what about other Dr. Z selections
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Post by Curt on Feb 5, 2006 21:53:30 GMT -7
Z-28 and Route 66 gotz lotz O bottom !!! And I hear MAZ Sr does too.
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Post by Strato on Feb 5, 2006 23:33:31 GMT -7
Its hard to believe you dont have alot of bottom... where is your cut set at?
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 6, 2006 5:14:51 GMT -7
Too much bottom from the guitar and the bass turns up. Pretty soon he's easily drowning out an 18 watt amp. Then people can't talk at the bar so they leave. If they leave they aren't drinking. If they aren't drinking they aren't putting money in the cash register. Then you aren't rebooked. If you really need that much low end buy a subwoofer from Rivera, a Los Lowbottom? Good luck!
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 6, 2006 7:23:07 GMT -7
get another speaker, Swamp Thang
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Post by guitargeorge on Feb 9, 2006 13:44:15 GMT -7
My bass player always complained when I has the botom end on my MAZ 18 2/10 turned up past 10:00. I was drowning him out, I too can't imagine having not enough bottom on a MAZ 18.
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Post by hollowman on Feb 14, 2006 21:41:29 GMT -7
Agreed, I have plenty o'bottom with my maz jr, although I have Z's 2x10 cab, not a 1x12. z's 2x10 is a fantastic buy.
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 15, 2006 7:07:01 GMT -7
get another speaker, Swamp Thang +1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 20:52:09 GMT -7
Hi gwhubbard, I agree with the other posters in that speaker change is your best bet. I have not heard the eminence swamp thing but I am sure it rocks. You might want to check out Webers Silver Bell. It comes with alnico or ceramic magnets and in 30watt or 50watt ratings. They have a great bottom end too. I am debating between the eminence and the weber right now as a speaker change for my deluxe reverb. You can check out the silver bell in JChances's clips in the sounds section. He used the Silver bell with the Maz 38 in 2 clips and the Weber Blue Dog in the in another 2 clips. The other thing would be moving to an amp with more power. The natural choice to me would be a Maz 38. Peace.
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Post by gwhubbard on Feb 15, 2006 22:05:00 GMT -7
Thanks....I would assume a speaker change is not a very technical procedure and easily reversible??? ....well, I guess this would supress my gear acquisition syndrome for awhile
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Feb 15, 2006 22:37:42 GMT -7
" You might want to check out Webers Silver Bell. It comes with alnico or ceramic magnets and in 30watt or 50watt ratings. They have a great bottom end too." The stock Z-best cab is a great cab.... I put a 50 watt weber Alnico silver bell in the top of mine and left the G12 in the bottom....yea!! pretty good bottom and a mix of the alnico/ceramic sound.... If I had it to do over again I would have gotten a Maz Jr HEAD ( I had a maz jr 2X12 combo) and run it through the Z-best cab! I think that combo would be pretty good.... I might actually try that again.... I loved my maz 18 but it wasn't quite enough for me either but if I knew then what I know now I wonder if I could have swapped speakers ( yes of course I could have and it might have made ALL the difference) and solved the problem I was having with not enough headroom... I solved it by getting a Maz 38 but I think now I could have made a JR work.. should have one of each anyway right!! ;D I'm with strato, I think a 1X12 closed back to run with your 12" internal speaker would work... but a speaker swap in the combo would be the quickest / easiest and would probably work fine also.... ( I'd do both so I'd have a grab n go with better lows in just the combo and if you need a little more out of the amp take the ext 1x12 closed back cab too and have a more open back, room filling sound along with the tighter bass closed back, with the plus of sitting the combo on the cab to get it up so you can hear it better live ...) if you like the sound of the Jr TRY a speaker swap before you get another amp!! Had a kinda similar problem with my Ghia 2x10 not being able to cut through AT TIMES.... I loved it but I was trying to make it work running it at my bands practice (loud drummer at times and other guitarist can be loud)... first I tilted it back and that helped but..... then I added a 2x12 cab ( thd cab loaded with weber caramic blue/ silver) to run WITH the internal 2x10's and.... wow it's what I've been using to practice with the band since then, bigger, open sound that cuts through with more headroom too... great sound at a lower volume than my other amps...could easily use it to gig with.... and fun fun fun!!! Jason
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Post by propellr on Feb 16, 2006 7:59:49 GMT -7
thanks for the info.....I'm skeptical that a cab could add this much bass....what about other Dr. Z selections I couldn't believe how much low end the Z-Best thumped when I tried one. I don't deserve that much thump.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 6, 2006 11:50:13 GMT -7
My bass player always complained when I has the botom end on my MAZ 18 2/10 turned up past 10:00. I was drowning him out, I too can't imagine having not enough bottom on a MAZ 18. Same thing here with mine. My Maz 18 Bass knob never goes above 10:00. The bass is huge on this amp! But, I'm using a Jenkins Highway 61 2x12 cab with G12H-30s and a semi-open back, where the opening is at the top of the cab, which I have been told accentuates low end. So, the cab has a lot to do with it. I have owned and still own many 1x12 combos and they never have as much bottom as the 2x12 Jenkins.
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2006 12:30:25 GMT -7
Make sure the amp is on the floor, not on a stand.
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Post by pedalcr8z on Mar 6, 2006 12:37:26 GMT -7
I also own a Maz Jr nr 1x12 combo and it has more bottom end than even a Fender Twin Reverb 2x12 80 watt!! I am noy referring to overall wallop and impact, I referring to how deep the single 12" produces. I am totally astounded by how much bottom end it does have with both a PRS McCarty and a Eric Johnson Strat that I use and I never have the bass on the amp past noon. The bottom end is clear, prodigous and grand piano like in it's sustain and impact.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 6, 2006 12:58:17 GMT -7
Make sure the amp is on the floor, not on a stand. I agree, except then it's harder to hear yourself and it can also muddy up the bass and make it too boomy. The low end is a lot cleaner and tighter with the amp on a stand.
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Post by guitarman1 on Mar 6, 2006 13:40:16 GMT -7
I also own a Maz Jr nr 1x12 combo and it has more bottom end than even a Fender Twin Reverb 2x12 80 watt!! I am totally astounded by how much bottom end it does have with both a PRS McCarty and a Eric Johnson Strat that I use and I never have the bass on the amp past noon. The bottom end is clear, prodigous and grand piano like in it's sustain and impact. I am not sure why some other poster above asked you where the cut control was set as it has nothing to do with bass! As much as I love the Maz Jr., there is no way on earth that a stock Jr. has more low end than a well functioning original or re-issue Blackface Twin Reverb. I'm not saying the Twin is a better amp, but 4 6L6s at 80 watts with two 12 inch speakers moves ALLOT of air. I've owned both. There must be a problem with the Twin you are referencing. I just don't want somebody to mail order a 1x12 Maz Jr. combo, thinking it will have that kind of described low end.
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Post by pedalcr8z on Mar 6, 2006 15:18:21 GMT -7
I just did the a/b with a brand new 40th Annivarsary Twin. Certainly the Twin had more wallop however the Maz UNQUESTIONABLY went deeper....you are right though, I should have clarified that. I find it astounding that the bottom end on the Maz was so deep and grand piano like with far greater sustain than the supposed "clean of cleans".The Twin is certainly no slouch and I never thought I would sell it until I heard the TONE difference, at that point I sold it.
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Post by mazmaster on Mar 7, 2006 12:46:34 GMT -7
I just did the a/b with a brand new 40th Annivarsary Twin. Certainly the Twin had more wallop however the Maz UNQUESTIONABLY went deeper....you are right though, I should have clarified that. I find it astounding that the bottom end on the Maz was so deep and grand piano like with far greater sustain than the supposed "clean of cleans".The Twin is certainly no slouch and I never thought I would sell it until I heard the TONE difference, at that point I sold it. I agree with everything you've said here. My bandmate has a mint '65 Twin and although it gets much louder before breaking up, when played at the same volumes as the Maz 18 (but before the Maz 18 breaks up), the Maz 18 has a bigger, deeper, rounder bass response. And, that "piano" like clarity is a trademark of every Z amp I've owned or played.
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