Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 12, 2018 17:30:11 GMT -7
I was playing my Therapy earlier into a 1x12 Z cab, currently loaded with a Celestion V30, closed back. For fun I plugged it into an open back 1x10 with a 10" Gold. Sounded great, a 10" beat a 12"! So I ordered it.
I'm hoping that the 12" Gold will be the right choice for the 30th Anniversary Mazerati as well as the Therapy. What do you fellas think?
By the way, there's an 8% off coupon online (8OFF89 is the code) for MF that I used too. So it was only (!) $265 shipped.
"Tone, tone, tone, tone. Is there a substitute?" -Dr.Z
You probably know this but give it a long time to break in before judging it. I've owned my 12" Gold longer than any other speaker (12-13 years). It's been in lots of different combos and cabs over the years. It sounded great through most of them and terrible in only one. Several were Z amps but no Therapy or Mazerati. I hope you enjoy it. Mine is currently in a 2x12 open back paired with a Cannibis Rex.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 15, 2018 12:07:45 GMT -7
Dave, please tell us your thoughts on the Gold vs Blue with your Maz(s)!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 16, 2018 16:25:22 GMT -7
WELL ALLRIGHT!!! I got up this morning and played the new Celestion Gold 12" mounted in a 1x12 Z cab, open back. Sounded really nice...but I decided to try Celestion's suggestion of playing loud, ringing open chords with the bass cranked up and the amp loud but not really uncomfortably so. I took my looper and made a 20 second continuous loop with E, C, and A open chords with my Les Paul, on the middle pickup, set the whole thing on a timer for an hour and went to a movie. Got back a few hours later, fired it up, and it sounds heavenly with my Therapy. I bet it is going to be really something with the 30th Anniversary Mazerati. Celestion's method seems to work quite nicely, it loosened up and got noticeably sweeter in just one hour. Give it a try if you've got a looper, it makes the process a breeze.
I have a 12" Gold in an open Z cab with my Maz Jr but was thinking yesterday, while loading up after a brunch gig, the maybe I should try a 10" Gold in a smaller cab for portability and when I want a little more compact set up. I play single coils and can't really do with any less low end though. Thoughts?
Wanna add too that I broke my Gold in by running an old CD walkman on repeat though a solid state bass amp into it for a day or so. I put couch cushions and pillows around it to dampen the sound. It worked great! ...but my wife was out of town or it may not have
Z-Lux combo Maz18 head 112 convertible w/ Celestion Gold Brake Lite SA Brake Lite (in Swart AST combo) These days mostly one of two Teles and a Gretsch 6120DSW
Recently ordered a new Celestion Gold to mate with a the "compact" Dr.Z 1x12 cab that I picked up from a forum member, mated with a Route 66 head. I also tried Celestion's suggestion for breaking in the new speaker, though I wasn't smart enough to run a looper and just hit it with some loud chords for awhile
It definitely brings out some more top end sparkle and chime from the Route 66. The well-broken in V30 that came with the cab sounded really good, but thus far the Gold is getting the sound I was after.
Still needs a lot more playing time, but I can see why the Gold is so popular with the Z-amps.
Do you think the Gold is more percussive with the Therapy than the V30 is? What are your general thoughts on the differences between the two speakers with the Therapy?
Hi Russell, My comments are based on a 1x12 Z cab with the middle rear panel removed. The V30 has a heavier magnet structure, and it has that upper midrange push that it's famous (or infamous) for, which really mates well with the Therapy. It's the only amp that I've ever liked the V30 with. When Doc announced the upcoming release of his 30th Anniversary Mazerati LE, I decided that I'd buy a 12" Gold to go with it and I swapped out the V30 in the Z cab, recorded a 20 second loop on my looper of open E, A, and G chords, put the amp on a 1 hour timer, cranked it to about 115 dB, and went to a movie. That loosened it up nicely. Anyway, percussive wise I think the V30 might have a little edge. It's hard to subjectively compare the difference, but the Gold does have a good punch too. It's certainly not lacking bottom end, and it doesn't get flubby like the Blue can. Overall, I prefer it over the V30 because it is so smooth, with both clean and over-drive tones. Compared to the Gold, the V30 sounds a little hard, if that makes sense. The Gold sounds like I could play it all day and not feel all beat up. It sounds powerful but it's like a fine wine; it's more refined. Spec-wise, the V30's frequency response is 70 to 5,000Hz while the Gold is 75 to 5,000Hz. They both have 100dB sensitivity, 1.75" voice coils, and the V30 is 1.1 lb heavier than the Gold. On the high end of frequency response the Gold really shines. It sparkles and is very smooth; it also matches very well with the Therapy. I actually prefer it over the V30; I really don't think that I'm giving up much punch in the low end, and the Gold gives me everything I need in a speaker. They're expensive but I'm glad I took the leap. Unlike the V30 I can plug any other amp in and the Gold works well. I couldn't pair the V30 with a Maz and be happy; the Gold sounds wonderful with all my amps. I'm hoping that this cab will give me everything I need with the Mazerati LE...I am getting the matching 2x12 cab but that's more because I want a complete "set" rather than just the head. I have been playing with the idea of buying a Blue and a Gold to go into that cab, but that's down the road a bit. I'd love to hear from any of you that have a pair like this in an open back 2x12...but then again, Doc thought the Mazerati LE would sound best with a G12H30/V30 pair so that would be an expensive gamble. Doc's ears always trump mine when I start changing tubes and speakers around with his stock choices! Hope this helps.
"Tone, tone, tone, tone. Is there a substitute?" -Dr.Z
You are really going to love it the first time you get a chance to push it. The way it compresses and smooths things out. Lots of players use attenuators nowadays and never get a chance to do that. Yes, I know that is difficult to do with a 100dB speaker.
The gold is a excellent speaker I had huge success with the gold with Z amps. It was awesome with the non master remedy and just perfect with the max jr studio. I still regret selling that combo. Def likes the open back cabs. I am currently running my Marshall 2061X head into a mesa boogie wide body open back 1x12 cab with a celestion alnico cream. The gold was also a speaker I was considering but I wanted to try the cream. The cream is fat sounding Real vintage in character and has a nice vocal quality to the notes real harmonic and organic. I still love the gold though! I wish I still had one to compare these two speakers because they are both so good!
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