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Post by mixtech72 on Oct 23, 2017 18:31:14 GMT -7
First Post, I would greatly appreciate the forum input
I think I'm ready for a Maz JR. Graduating from my ProJunior 1x10, my only EL84 amp. I'm pretty set on the head so I've got some versatility for the future. The question is what cabinet to start with 1x12 or 2x10? I've read the Humbucker Music, Dr.z Maz Buyers Guide. When getting to the "speaker" portion, they mention 10's as crisp and punchy. 12's, warm, more bass response. It mentions, what does your guitar sound like. Well, like most, I have a few. Solid bodies, Semi hollow, hollow, Humbuckers, P90s, Single coil teles/strats. Some guitars are bright, some warm. I'm sure I can dial in a tone, the main reason I'm going for the MazJr. I have guitars that don't do well with certain amps, others that sound great with anything. I'm not in a band, maybe one day. Play in the house, occasional jam with friends, blues/southern rock. Just wanting to make sure I'm happy with the initial setup. I'm Leaning 2x10 to start. Thinking I can always pump more bass into it if I feel it's thin. Thanks in advance for input.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Oct 23, 2017 18:48:06 GMT -7
Can't help you much on this as I have not owned the Maz and I love 12" speakers. But, others WILL share their knowledge with you. I just wanted to welcome you to the club!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:54:05 GMT -7
My first Maz was a 2x10 38 NR. Those Z tens sure are sweet, but they're loud. I personally prefer 12" speakers. They're the sound of rock n roll, and your options are much more open than if you go with 10s.
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Post by purpletele on Oct 23, 2017 19:04:24 GMT -7
First Post, I would greatly appreciate the forum input I think I'm ready for a Maz JR. Graduating from my ProJunior 1x10, my only EL84 amp. I'm pretty set on the head so I've got some versatility for the future. The question is what cabinet to start with 1x12 or 2x10? I've read the Humbucker Music, Dr.z Maz Buyers Guide. When getting to the "speaker" portion, they mention 10's as crisp and punchy. 12's, warm, more bass response. It mentions, what does your guitar sound like. Well, like most, I have a few. Solid bodies, Semi hollow, hollow, Humbuckers, P90s, Single coil teles/strats. Some guitars are bright, some warm. I'm sure I can dial in a tone, the main reason I'm going for the MazJr. I have guitars that don't do well with certain amps, others that sound great with anything. I'm not in a band, maybe one day. Play in the house, occasional jam with friends, blues/southern rock. Just wanting to make sure I'm happy with the initial setup. I'm Leaning 2x10 to start. Thinking I can always pump more bass into it if I feel it's thin. Thanks in advance for input. I have become a fan of just one speaker. And I am mostly using a Studio Size cabinet (Dr. Z Studio Combo Size) I haven't had much time with the 2 x 10's, but with the Maz the tone is almost perfection and speakers can make a difference tone and in the feel. I happen to be a fan of the 12" WGS ET 65 with the Maz 8 but I really like the Celestion Cream with the Maz 8. The Maz 8 and Maz 18 react very similarly to speakers. My recommendation is to go with 1 x 12 so that when the GAS hits to try something different your options are a little more broad with 12" speakers. That my 2 cents
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Post by purpletele on Oct 23, 2017 19:07:00 GMT -7
My first Maz was a 2x10 38 NR. Those Z tens sure are sweet, but they're loud. I personally prefer 12" speakers. They're the sound of rock n roll, and your options are much more open than if you go with 10s. Hey, I said that too. My first thought was, Go with 12" but wait a week for the speaker until Irreversal flips a nice one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 19:08:58 GMT -7
My first Maz was a 2x10 38 NR. Those Z tens sure are sweet, but they're loud. I personally prefer 12" speakers. They're the sound of rock n roll, and your options are much more open than if you go with 10s. Hey, I said that too. My first thought was, Go with 12" but wait a week for the speaker until Irreversal flips a nice one. I have a speaker factory in my garage...
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Post by 2Cents on Oct 23, 2017 19:27:36 GMT -7
I like to think of Amps, Guitars, Pick-Ups, Speakers n Cabs, Pedals, and Mic’s, etc., as a box of different colored crayons. Only one’s budget limits will restrict the number of choices. Whether one selects a 1x10, 1x12, 2x10, 2x12, 4x10, 4x12, open back, closed back, ported, mass produced, or one-off, is a personal choice—and only one color each.
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Oct 23, 2017 19:40:51 GMT -7
Go with the 1x12. I had a 2x10 and would still own it if it was a 1x12. There are so many speaker options with 12" speakers.
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Post by mixtech72 on Oct 23, 2017 20:39:30 GMT -7
I like to think of Amps, Guitars, Pick-Ups, Speakers n Cabs, Pedals, and Mic’s, etc., as a box of different colored crayons. Only one’s budget limits will restrict the number of choices. Whether one selects a 1x10, 1x12, 2x10, 2x12, 4x10, 4x12, open back, closed back, ported, mass produced, or one-off, is a personal choice—and only one color each. Instantly, One of my favorite analogies!!! Worth every penny. Thanks for the replies! I think I might go 1x12 now? I actually don't have a 12" in anything. So, another color to the crayon box! With that being said. What's the preferred 12" option offered that gets that "sound of rock n roll"?
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Post by simpleton on Oct 23, 2017 20:41:53 GMT -7
Go with the 1x12. I had a 2x10 and would still own it if it was a 1x12. There are so many speaker options with 12" speakers. .... if a 2x10 turned out to be 12.... my first Z was a Ghia in a 2x10 combo. The Z 10’s mixed with the clarity of the Ghia left me feeling a bit exposed for awhile. I had always played 12’s and the 10’s are a bit tighter in their response...a bit faster to the note and a tad more middle and high oriented, as only so much bass can come out of a 10 compared to a 12. Over all I grew to love the 2x10 set up...all though I went to a head and cab instead of the combo. After a few years and honestly it’s just not as much sound as the 2x10 or I’d guess 2 speakers just make a very full sound. I like the size of a 1x12 combo over the head and cab if your not an actual frequent gigging musician. Taking a single combo to the truck is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier than the head, cab and what ever else you brought. I prefer the head and cab to the combo only in that the tube life was much better outside of the combo and in the head. Also looks way cooler.
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Post by mixtech72 on Oct 23, 2017 21:05:54 GMT -7
I think with the Maz18 and a 1x12, I should feel comfortable with tone control. I have a custom vibrolux that I plug my small amps into around the house. So if I get the itch for a 2x10. Although I'm comparing apples to oranges as cabinets go.
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Post by John on Oct 24, 2017 0:44:56 GMT -7
The sound of rock and roll?
I'd go with a greenback.
But for the most part...the sound of rock and roll is in your hands.
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Post by mickey on Oct 24, 2017 0:53:07 GMT -7
I went with the head and cab as they are both lighter to carry, though the new lightweight combos look good. I have both the 1x12 and the 2x10 cabs, and my preference is the 1x12, currently with a Creamback M. I just prefer the sound of a 12" speaker, though the 2x10 is a loud and punchy option, and definitely not thin. For what you want I would suggest the 1x12.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 24, 2017 5:25:55 GMT -7
Agree with the 1x12 group. I've been through a ton of speakers on my Maz 8 and recently changed it over to a Z-12 speaker. I had the G12H30 in it for a long time but I like the voice of the Z-12 speaker better. Not so scooped, it's more forward in the mids and the treble is nice and smooth. It's a great speaker and I'm using it in 3 of my Z's right now.
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Post by limenine on Oct 24, 2017 15:00:30 GMT -7
I have a 112, 210, and a 212 to play my Maz through, and I really like them all. I think the 212 is my favorite, but I happily leave the 210 at the space I play so I don't need to lug a cab around. No shortage of bass with either humbuckers or single coils.
(112 w a blue, 212 blue and gold; 210 w Zs)
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Oct 25, 2017 3:02:37 GMT -7
The sound of rock and roll? I'd go with a greenback. But for the most part...the sound of rock and roll is in your hands. Agreed. Greenback or Creamback M.
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Post by easyed on Oct 25, 2017 13:35:58 GMT -7
I'm a fan of 10's. My MAZ Jr Combo is a 2 x 10 and even recabbed into a pine lumber Mather cab, it's still not a real grab-n-go amp, so I use a folding dolly. The 10's are Z-10's and I really like the sound of them.
I have a '69 Fender Super Reverb with 4x10 CTS alnico's, but it's even harder to move than the MAZ, but it sounds amazing with any guitar I've plugged in.
My grab-n-go is a little Allen Sweet Spot (like a Princeton Reverb on steroids) with a neodymium 12 speaker and the weight is 28 pounds. Though it's not nearly as versatile as the MAZ, nor sweet as the SR, it does get the job done.
IMO, the 10's are just a little sweeter and responsive, but the right single 12 will definitely get the job done - how else could you explain the popularity of the Deluxe Reverb and its reissues after more than 50 years.
Priorities: Sound & response - 2x10. Portability - 1 x 12.
After writing all this, I realized that I really wasn't making a good argument for either speaker combination. They're both good. As long as you're driving them with a MAZ, you'll be a happy player.
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Post by scottc on Oct 30, 2017 6:25:21 GMT -7
I have always preferred 12's personally, so I would opt for the 1x12 convertible cab - and in fact, I have one!
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Post by mustachio on Mar 10, 2018 13:33:04 GMT -7
I have a G12H Heritage (made in UK) Z cab for my Maz. Has it all. Closed you get the punch of the 10s (sort of) and bass as well. Have fun!
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 10, 2018 14:47:53 GMT -7
G12 65 was favored by Joe Walsh with his Galaxie. Can't go wrong with a greenback either for the sound of rock and roll.
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Post by digs57 on Mar 10, 2018 14:50:52 GMT -7
Throwing in another for the wgs et 65...both are in my maz 18's and aren't coming out.
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Post by fumblefingers on Mar 12, 2018 14:48:08 GMT -7
The good news is regardless of which you pick the amp is going to sound great. My favourite so far has been the Celestion blue, with the z 2x10 being a very close second. The blue seems to almost extend the upper frequencies of the amp and really lets those high end harmonics ring. The 2x10, at least to my ears, seems to produce a rounder top end with more midrange punch. If you’re in a musical situation where you’re competing for sonic space with another guitar player, or other musicians in general the 2 10’s will really punch through the mix. Also, the z 10’s can take all that amp has to throw at it and then some. With the blue, I feel the low end suffers when it’s pushed really hard. In a perfect world I’d use the blue for studio and trio stuff and the 10’s for louder live applications. I had a g12h 65 in mine for a while which I also really liked. It had great lows, but rated at 97db I found myself missing the efficiency of the previous 2 options. If you can live without those extra 3db of efficiency it’s definitely worth a look.
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Post by gbowman on Mar 12, 2018 15:17:31 GMT -7
I have spent a lot of time in 2x10 land with a couple other amps, but always come back to 1x12. Plus, as mentioned earlier, it gives you many options for quick speaker swaps.
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Post by jlc on Mar 17, 2018 23:08:49 GMT -7
Ive had the Maz 18 for about 4 years, i ordered it with the Alnico Blue and the extension closed back cab with the heritage. This set up works for country to jazz. I have too many amps, but this setup gives me my jazz or blues and rock tone and gives the best feel tone, harmonics of any of the amps that i have. So i'd go with the 12 inch.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 18, 2018 10:15:41 GMT -7
Twelve.
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Post by Brian on Mar 24, 2018 9:02:50 GMT -7
I'm in the 12" camp as well. I have a Celestion Century Vintage Neo 12 in my combo and love the sound and the weight.
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Mar 25, 2018 5:26:00 GMT -7
12" for me as well. I really liked the Cream back "M" in a 1x12 Dr. Z cab but I LOVE it with a 1x12 Gold!
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Post by mikefleming on Mar 26, 2018 9:33:12 GMT -7
I also recommend the 1x12. I've done both. 1x12 gives you tons more options.
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