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Post by tubetone74 on May 1, 2016 14:03:01 GMT -7
What would be your choices of speaker (not the Dr. Z-12, but speakers with comparable wattage and sensitivity) to load into an Avatar 1X12 I have sitting around. It would be used parallel w/ the L-Lux combo. Thanks.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on May 1, 2016 16:08:06 GMT -7
I think a Creamback 65 or G12H30 would play well. Open back.
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Post by Easyrom on May 2, 2016 1:09:05 GMT -7
Hi, I would go alnico; maybe a Scumback Scumnico, in order to stay in the same dB range (98 I think for the Scum vs 97 for the Dr Z)?
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Post by pcns on May 2, 2016 4:40:42 GMT -7
Joe Walsh is using a Zlux with a 1x12 and I believe the 1x12 is using a Z 12" speaker
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Post by Maddog on May 2, 2016 5:16:48 GMT -7
For this amp, IMHO, you would be crazy to go any other direction than the Z12.
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Post by tubetone74 on May 2, 2016 13:54:11 GMT -7
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Post by Faze on May 2, 2016 16:47:29 GMT -7
I would think a Gold or a Alnico cream would sound really good in a 1/12 cab. I have the combo and as everyone else has said the z speaker is a great speaker with the Z-lux.
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Post by Maddog on May 2, 2016 17:23:44 GMT -7
Gotcha! The most comparable (NON-Z) 12" speaker (comparable in power handling and sensitivity) that would not clash or overpower the partnered Z 12 in the Lux combo would have to be something like the Celestion G12M-65 Creamback. Might be an interesting pair, as the Z sounds "American," and the Celestion has the "British Greenback" lineage.....
What ideas do you have?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 20:34:34 GMT -7
I just got an Eminence GA-SC64 and I like what I hear so far. Sounds very close to the Z12, but feels a little tighter in the bass. It's only 40 Watts, though, so you'll be pushing it with the Lux.
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Post by tubetone74 on May 3, 2016 14:27:28 GMT -7
Thanks for suggestions. Thinking maybe one of the neo mag 12" speakers out now to reduce weight on the cab. Any recommendations among that lot?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on May 3, 2016 14:37:57 GMT -7
I'm waiting to learn more about the new Neo-Creamback. That sounds intriguing...
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Post by tubetone74 on May 3, 2016 15:06:15 GMT -7
I'm waiting to learn more about the new Neo-Creamback. That sounds intriguing... Dittos on that Dave.
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Post by curtisjames on Aug 14, 2016 8:37:37 GMT -7
I'll chime in since I had an epiphany. The Zlux is often compared to the Fender Delux and its well known the Eminence Legend is an excellent choice for that amp. Well I had one......and threw it in and am extremely pleased to say the least. I was all sold on the KTS 70's until I played them live and ripped em out. I'm back to the stock Z speaker because it's just great......and since Doc went ahead and made these cabs light for roadies and old guys, I love the light weight stock speaker. So I threw the eminence in the 1x12 Z Cab. By itself or married with the Combo......its an excellent choice for obvious reasons. That is all
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Aug 15, 2016 7:24:36 GMT -7
Right on da money, CJ...For an extension cab with the Z-Lux, I've tried different combinations of my 12" speakers (Z-12, EVM12-L, Creamback 65, G12H30, WGS ET-65, Greenback, Celestion Blue, couple of others) in my 1X12 Z cab, open and closed back. To my ears, the best was the Z-12, open back. The other ones all made the amp sound bigger, but in some way they also took something away. Or added a midrange thing that wasn't right. I just really am sold on Doc's ears; it's remarkable how his recommendations for speakers, tubes, etc. hit the bulls eye every time. The only one I'm not sold on is the Vintage 30 and the Therapy...right now I like it with the Z-12 better. But I'm way out on a limb here! Seems like every time I make such a statement I end up retracting it later on . The Z-12 just makes the amp bloom so beautifully, even my wife liked it loud.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 8:49:28 GMT -7
I'll be trying it out with a Z12 this evening, about ten minutes after UPS gets here (thanks, Bill!).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 15:29:59 GMT -7
Traded Bill (heynewguy) my 8ohm Z-12 for his 16 ohm, so I can run my Z-lux at 8 ohms with an extension cab (using a PCNS Y cable). It sounds YUGE. We're doing a tent gig this weekend so this is timely. Here's a pic taken as the evening light hits my 3rd floor guitar room.
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Post by redzsrock on Aug 18, 2016 4:53:07 GMT -7
Nice pic! Sweet LP too. I've got a soft spot for gold tops!
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Post by Rockerfeller on Aug 18, 2016 6:56:54 GMT -7
Well, I just got my z-12 in yesterday. I had two Z convertible cabs side by side, one with my Creamback 65 and the other with the Z12 in it. I wanted to hear the difference between the two speakers. I am not very good at using words to explain the sonic differences between speakers, but I can say that"
A. I liked the Z12 better, MUCH better.
B. I liked how the CB sounded. It sounds great, just not as good at the Z12
C. I didn't try them both at the same time, to see how well the play together because I just didn't think about it. I will do that on Friday, but my analysis of it will probably be limited to: they sounds great together or something along that line, which is obviously not very useful.
I'm sure something like this will take place this weekend at mini-Z fest and guys with command of the English speaker tone language wil do a better job of describing it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 7:51:31 GMT -7
My impression of the Creamback was that it had a pretty hot top end, which could get sizzly in a way I wasn't crazy about. The Z12 is much warmer and rounder on top--it's rapidly becoming my favorite speaker.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Aug 18, 2016 8:51:04 GMT -7
My impression of the Creamback was that it had a pretty hot top end, which could get sizzly in a way I wasn't crazy about. The Z12 is much warmer and rounder on top--it's rapidly becoming my favorite speaker. I agree with that. I had to cut the Treble to about 9 o'clock with my Tele's and the CB, but not as much with the Z12
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Post by Faze on Aug 30, 2016 22:05:40 GMT -7
My impression of the Creamback was that it had a pretty hot top end, which could get sizzly in a way I wasn't crazy about. The Z12 is much warmer and rounder on top--it's rapidly becoming my favorite speaker. I agree with that. I had to cut the Treble to about 9 o'clock with my Tele's and the CB, but not as much with the Z12 I usually run my treble at 11:00 on my Z-lux combo. On my Therapy with my Z 1/12 Cab with the Z speaker I run my treble at about 2:00.
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Post by dickieg52 on Nov 12, 2016 10:53:36 GMT -7
Can anyone tell me how the z12 compares to a celestion gold? I have the Lux combo and don't know which would be better in an ext cab.
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Post by meanslide on Nov 12, 2016 17:37:12 GMT -7
I haven't A/B'd the Z12 and CGold, but did test out an Alnico Cream and the Z12. As others have said about various other speakers, it sounded good, but not nearly as good as the Z12 with the Zlux. It didn't take long to hear the difference. And I like the Cream Alnico a lot with other Z amps. Doc seems to have hit the bullseye, yet again, on speaker and amp pairings.
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Post by zpilot on Nov 13, 2016 3:16:48 GMT -7
I have a MAZ 8 coming tomorrow with a Z-12. I also own a MAZ 18 with a Gold (my current favorite speaker) so I plan to A/B between those two speakers and make a choice. I'll need to break in the Z-12 first. Hopefully I'll know something in a week or two.
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Post by dickieg52 on Nov 13, 2016 13:43:29 GMT -7
That's weird!! My next question was whether my Maz 8 would push the Z12 speaker??
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Post by zpilot on Nov 13, 2016 21:25:56 GMT -7
I've been assured by several MAZ 8 owners that it is a great match for that amp.
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Post by scottunzicker on Jan 3, 2017 9:42:43 GMT -7
As the Z-Lux was quite intentionally paired with an American voiced speaker in a cabinet especially designed to compliment that general tone, I'm thinking you should probably use an American voiced speaker in an extension cabinet, but that's just my opinion. I'm interested in trying one of Jupiter's speakers in there, just to see how they'd sound. If you're not familiar, Jupiter makes the hand-rolled caps that the Good Doctor chose for the initial coupling stages for the Z-Lux. They also have some really, really nice speakers they spec'd out to WGS (Warehouse Guitar Speakers) to make for them. Check 'em out: jupitercondenser.com/product-category/speakers/
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