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Post by rpavich on Jun 12, 2005 4:22:30 GMT -7
Hi, I have a Maz-18jr NR model and while I love it...I've always used a little bit of 'verb with it. I've not been thrilled with it's fully dry vibe.
I believe that it's because I've only used it in "dead" places like bdrm, house with carpets etc and have not been able to fully open it up at a gig.
I also have to use it with an airbrake because of it's power for the most part...
Is this your experience? Does the "reverb jones" go away at stage volumes when everything is bouncing around the walls?
bob
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Post by Lefty on Jun 12, 2005 4:56:44 GMT -7
I have the same problem when I go from Fender amps to my Z amps and back and forth. I fixed that problem by never leaving my Z amps!
Seriously, reverb can be nice at times but I find it brightens up my tone and that's something I don't need.
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Post by JoeYello on Jun 13, 2005 8:24:36 GMT -7
When playing at home I put an EH Holy Grail in the effects loop and it sounds great. When playing with the band I have found I don't miss the reverb, but I do use a digital delay for solos.
I would say that at lower volumes playing clean it is nice to have the reverb, but with a band I don't think you need it..........unless you are playing surf or something that requires reverb.
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Post by Jefferson on Jun 15, 2005 14:35:04 GMT -7
I too use a Holy Grail reverb pedal for just those occasions when a little reverb is called for. The Holy Grail works great in front of the MAZ 18 IMHO.
I also tend to turn down the reverb when i crank the amp. The tone has enough inate complexity, especially through the right cabinet. I play mine through (2) Bogner 1x12 Cube Cabs. If you are playing through a head, make sure you have a high enough quality cab. If you have a combo, you have no worries.
As for the airbrake, if you must use one on the MAZ 18, then I highly recommend DR. Z's "Z Air Brake". I tried the Marshall and several others and none of them lived up to the hype. This one does. However, the master volume on the MAZ 18 works, which is not common even among amps with higher price tags. You might really play with the MV and Volume knobs to make sure you really need that airbrake.
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Post by rpavich on Jun 16, 2005 0:21:40 GMT -7
Jrudder, I'm just playing the Maz thru a "no name" cab I got off ebay...1x12" greenback.
I have tried it some without the airbrake and I just can't get the "right" mixture without braking it at least some....
bob
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Post by reverbbb on Jun 24, 2005 7:07:58 GMT -7
I have the reverb version. I like to use it often. However, the reverb sound is not all that strong on these amps. If you are considering swapping around for the reverb version, you are probably better off with what you have and use an external reverb. Holy Grail seems to get the most raves from folks.
Another thing, reverb can take away some clarity from the quality of cut through tone. It should be used as an effect for the occasion to support the "design" of the song and not the fundamental part of your sound. IMO - YMMV.
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Post by floydrturbo on Jul 13, 2005 9:38:19 GMT -7
If I had it to do over again, I would probably not have bothered with the reverb option on the 18; it just doesn't cut the mustard for me. Keep in mind that this comes from somebody who played a Vibro-King for a long time, and the reverb in that amp can't be beat. I've just been sucking it up for the past few years and playing pretty dry because I want the Z tone more than I want reverb. On a gig, I don't miss it, but in quieter venues, I want some sound bouncing around.
Since I have no plans to quit using the Z anytime soon, I'm getting a local tech to build an outboard tube reverb tank for me. I tried one on my 18 a few weeks ago, and I really liked the sound. That way, I can just keep the reverb knob turned all the way down on the amp and it won't cut the signal so badly.
So, Z-tone + Fender reverb = happy picker.
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Post by countryshawn on Jul 14, 2005 11:46:06 GMT -7
I came from the Fender camp also, wich also means that lush Fender reverb.
When I switched to my Z, (which is a NON reverb model), I instead then starting using a little single slap delay.
I'm much more happy now with the delay sound than I was with my old reverb. I've found that reverb can make things sound washed out when playing live.
IMHO a single slap delay is the way to go - because it tends to emphasize the "spank" of the Z tone.
Now when I play my Fender with the reverb it sounds washed out and thin.......
Shawn
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Post by myles on Jul 14, 2005 12:23:48 GMT -7
I came from the Fender camp also, wich also means that lush Fender reverb. When I switched to my Z, (which is a NON reverb model), I instead then starting using a little single slap delay. I'm much more happy now with the delay sound than I was with my old reverb. I've found that reverb can make things sound washed out when playing live. IMHO a single slap delay is the way to go - because it tends to emphasize the "spank" of the Z tone. Now when I play my Fender with the reverb it sounds washed out and thin....... Shawn It is hard to pass up on the reverb in some of the Z amps. Fender reverbs were always something of a standard because they were in so many amps. But, if you compared an Ampeg reverb with a Fender you'd see a difference that was nice to say the least. On the MAZ amps you see again what a really great "verb" can sound like.
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Post by fatsound on Jul 15, 2005 9:46:24 GMT -7
When pushed to the sweet spot I don't think this amp needs reverb at all. However, in your environment I can see how you might like a touch for added depth.
The reason the Non Reverb version comes standard with an fx loop (an option on the reverb version) is so that you can use a pedal like the EH Holy Grail with your amp when you really have to have a bit of 'verb.
The EH pedal in the loop set to "Hall" actually does a great impersonation of the on board reverb. Some people actually prefer the reverb effect when using the EH in to the loop of the NR versus the effect of the on- board reverb of the reverb model.
The only thing to note is that when an EH pedal or ANY pedal is in the loop of the NR you will have a slight degradation of tone that closely mimics the degradation you will experience if you switch from a NR model to a reverb model. Of course with the NR you can go back to the ultimate MAZ 18 tone at anytime simply by unplugging whatever is in the amp's loop! T he bottom line is that the NR sounds better......it's more open, has a touch more gain and a touch more low end and you have the FX loop for when you really need a bit of reverb. It also costs less!!!
Stu "Don't Surf" Carter / Fat Sound Guitars
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2005 13:45:50 GMT -7
Reverb....Its a cowards tool.
me
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Post by rpavich on Jul 17, 2005 3:42:30 GMT -7
OK...I'm hearing a challange....lol....
I've put my multi-effects away..I'm playing dry....no reverb or delay...
It's been hard...but I can see that in a band context it would be ok....it just hard standing next to the amp and hearing it "painfully dry" after having some ambience all this time...
I'll keep up with it and report in...
bob
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 4, 2005 16:22:32 GMT -7
As I've always said.... Reverb is for cheaters
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Post by countryshawn on Aug 4, 2005 17:13:07 GMT -7
As I've always said.... Reverb is for cheaters I have to say that I disagree with that broad generalization. There are many legendary great players who use reverb as part of their sound. I could use reverb too... but I don't because I prefer an analog delay - but that doesn't make me a cheater player if I chose to use reverb on a song. I play the same way in either case. IMHO of course. Shawn
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Post by Lefty on Aug 4, 2005 17:58:42 GMT -7
Yup, lots of great verb users...
Ronnie Earl Albert Collins D*ck Dale
Just to name a few.
I personally feel it complicates my tone, between the room verb, PA verb, bouncing waves etc. Great when it's just you all by yourself though.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Aug 4, 2005 18:34:51 GMT -7
I got the NR Sr. I have a Boss RV3 Rev/Dly pedal in the loop. I use it for some stuff, and I don't use it for other stuff.
The Z's sound just as good w/out verb as they do with it.
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