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Post by kustom250 on Apr 7, 2014 9:14:45 GMT -7
I've got a 2000 Carmen Ghia 2x10 that I'd like to get more clean volume out of.
It's close but not quite loud enough to keep up with the band when playing clean and unmiced.
Does anyone know what the efficiency of the stock speakers is? I'm thinking a pair of more efficient speakers ought to give me the little bit more I need.
Thanks!
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Post by kinggabbo on Apr 7, 2014 9:43:33 GMT -7
More volume than the Z 10" speakers??? Dang. Those are some efficient speakers. Don't know what might be more efficient. Maybe Red Fangs?
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Post by John on Apr 7, 2014 11:03:42 GMT -7
Change out the 12ax7 in V1 for a 5751 tube. Less overdrive
And make sure your V2 is a 5751 (as it should be in a Ghia, but many 12ax7's find their way into that spot.)
And yes, those 10" speakers are very efficient. (loud) Just make sure they are the Doc's 10" speakers, and haven't been replaced by anything else. (Should have the big Z sticker on the magnet)
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Post by kustom250 on Apr 7, 2014 11:11:51 GMT -7
Change out the 12ax7 in V1 for a 5751 tube. Less overdrive And make sure your V2 is a 5751 (as it should be in a Ghia, but many 12ax7's find their way into that spot.) I've got the 5751 in V2. And I use a 5ar4. I've tried a 5751 in V1 but I don't need more headroom, I need more volume. With the 5751 in V1 I was able to turn up the amp "higher" but it wasn't any louder at that point. I've got plenty of bigger amps that get me what I need. But the CG is so good and it's temptingly close enough to being loud enough that I'd like to squeeze just a little more volume out of it. I may just be barking up the wrong tree. I've also got plenty of small amps with great cleans that just aren't loud enough to gig with when clean. The CG just might be another one. I'm looking for clean, not sorta clean and I love how the CG sounds, but it is only 18 watts so I nay be asking too much. They're Z speakers. I haven't changed anything in the amp. I may just be asking too much. |
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Post by John on Apr 7, 2014 11:17:46 GMT -7
If you have a 5751 in V2..and you've tried a 5751 in V1....and you've got two of Docs 10" speakers....then the answer is:
Probably need a different amp..perhaps a Maz Jr.
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Post by kustom250 on Apr 7, 2014 11:23:23 GMT -7
If you have a 5751 in V2..and you've tried a 5751 in V1....and you've got two of Docs 10" speakers....then the answer is: Probably need a different amp..perhaps a Maz Jr. Yeah that's pretty much what I figured. I guess I was just hoping the stock speakers were inefficient. I've got plenty of amps that I can and do use in this particular situation. I was hoping I could tweak the Ghia just a bit. It works great in other situations. I've tried a Maz Jr at the same time as the Ghia and it wasn't really my thing....but there's plenty of bigger Z's I might "need" instead of just "want" now. :^) Thanks! |
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Apr 7, 2014 11:38:30 GMT -7
I've got the 5751 in V2. And I use a 5ar4. I've tried a 5751 in V1 but I don't need more headroom, I need more volume. With the 5751 in V1 I was able to turn up the amp "higher" but it wasn't any louder at that point. I've got plenty of bigger amps that get me what I need. But the CG is so good and it's temptingly close enough to being loud enough that I'd like to squeeze just a little more volume out of it. I may just be barking up the wrong tree. I've also got plenty of small amps with great cleans that just aren't loud enough to gig with when clean. The CG just might be another one. I'm looking for clean, not sorta clean and I love how the CG sounds, but it is only 18 watts so I nay be asking too much. They're Z speakers. I haven't changed anything in the amp. I may just be asking too much. Yeah, sounds like maybe you just need an amp with more power behind it. If you want loud cleans, the StangRay is simply amazing. Or maybe even the MAZ 38 Senior, if you want more EQ knobs, etc. Both of those are EL-84 based and would likely be closest in "feel" to the Ghia. The EZG-50 can also be a loud & clean monster, but it's in a different sonic camp with it's big-bottle 6L6's. |
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Post by kustom250 on Apr 7, 2014 11:45:58 GMT -7
e even the MAZ 38 Senior, if you want more EQ knobs, etc. Both of those are EL-84 based and would likely be closest in "feel" to the Ghia. The EZG-50 can also be a loud & clean monster, but it's in a different sonic camp with it's big-bottle 6L6's. Thanks. Yeah the Stangray is on my list, as is a Wreck. The Maz are pretty much the only Z's I haven't really taken to. Not bad just not me. So yeah....that's leaves a lot of options. |
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Post by rcrecelius on Apr 7, 2014 14:50:30 GMT -7
I WAS GONNA SUGGEST A 5ar4 RECTIFIER but I see you already have that so yeah, the Ghia is simply not enough for your situation. And that's a shame too because its a wonderful amp.
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Post by kustom250 on Apr 7, 2014 16:00:39 GMT -7
I WAS GONNA SUGGEST A 5ar4 RECTIFIER but I see you already have that so yeah, the Ghia is simply not enough for your situation. And that's a shame too because its a wonderful amp. No shame really...it's a GREAT amp. Just not the right one in this situation. I've got a whole bunch of amps because none of them are the right amp for every need. |
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Post by lowbudget on Apr 10, 2014 14:34:25 GMT -7
You know, I've heard all kinds of efficiency numbers quoted for the Doc's 10"ers. I personally always thought they were loud. I always heard numbers ~100db or higher and for many years thought they were very efficient. In the past couple of years I've heard others quote numbers in the 95db to 98bd range. I'd sure like to hear it directly from the horse's mouth.
Doc, I know you read a lot of threads here. If you're tuned in here, could you possibly chime in and clear this up?
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Post by lowbudget on Apr 11, 2014 15:17:43 GMT -7
You know, I've heard all kinds of efficiency numbers quoted for the Doc's 10"ers. I personally always thought they were loud. I always heard numbers ~100db or higher and for many years thought they were very efficient. In the past couple of years I've heard others quote numbers in the 95db to 98bd range. I'd sure like to hear it directly from the horse's mouth. Doc, I know you read a lot of threads here. If you're tuned in here, could you possibly chime in and clear this up? Well, he already did! The Doc says 101db; I always thought those suckers were loud. I have no idea where all the other lower figures come from that get quoted from time to time. ztalk.proboards.com/thread/5386 |
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Post by wubberdubber on Apr 11, 2014 18:54:38 GMT -7
I had a Ghia before I got my MAZ 18, and had the same problem...almost there, but not quite enough gig-able volume. The MAZ solved that problem. You want something louder/cleaner than Doc's 10's..?...I don't know, maybe JBL's?
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Post by simpleton on Apr 11, 2014 22:10:50 GMT -7
ummm Maybe if you like the Ghia sound but louder you should keep an eye out for the Mazerati ...Since it was exactly made for that reason . To make the Ghia but with more watts of power !
Have fun
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Apr 12, 2014 7:11:11 GMT -7
^ Definitely. In fact, the later-production (so called "Ver. 2") Mazeratis, which are basically a "wide-bandwith" hi-power 'Ghia, come up fairly often on eBay. That's a great idea for kustom250.
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Post by kustom250 on Apr 12, 2014 7:37:07 GMT -7
Thanks all.
A bigger Z is certainly something I have on eye on.
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Post by bigsbybender on Apr 13, 2014 5:23:39 GMT -7
How about getting a second Ghia, and run the two of them side by side? That's 36 watts!
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Post by freddieg on Apr 13, 2014 17:35:18 GMT -7
Stang Ray......
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Post by swiveltung on May 1, 2014 15:54:44 GMT -7
I have two Dr Z tens. Not sure which they were out of? Big paper dust cap and 16 ohms each. They are pretty warm on the top end. I haven't Ab'ed them side by side but would guess the Red Fang is quite a bit louder. Loud little sucker, I cant imagine two of them! Would make a ghia kinda heavy too. But have great top end and bottom!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 5:18:01 GMT -7
When was the last time you changed the power tubes?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 6:29:40 GMT -7
Eminence Rajun Cajun is a mighty loud 10" also.
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Post by kustom250 on May 2, 2014 6:33:59 GMT -7
Power tubes were changed a week before the last time I got the "You need to turn" up from bandmates. There's no doubt that both bands I've had this issue with are loud.
The Ghia isn't the only amp I have this problem with. That 18-22 watt range just isn't quite loud enough with the folks I play with. I don't use a whole lot of distortion so I'm rarely running any amp pushed that hard.
In the past I've used two amps at once to get me that little bit more.
And I've got 35-50 watt amps that work just fine.
It's a great amp. Just not the right one in this situation. I was hoping a simple speaker swap would get me a little extra, but it doesn't seem it would be that easy.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 7:00:21 GMT -7
In the past I've used two amps at once to get me that little bit more. That's my favorite |
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Post by kustom250 on May 2, 2014 7:13:23 GMT -7
In the past I've used two amps at once to get me that little bit more. That's my favorite Honestly mine also. The Ghia was always the number two amp. Used with my Bassman it was run dirty. Used with my Gibson Invader is was run clean. I love the sound of one clean and one dirty amp running at the same time. But it's kind of a hassle to use two and I'm not getting any younger. The 3:30am trip into my house after a gig sure is a lot easier with just one amp. Which is why I've tended to use just the Ghia as often as possible lately. |
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Post by swiveltung on May 3, 2014 8:57:17 GMT -7
I would imagine two Cajuns or fangs would make it a lot louder. I just sold 3 Cajuns, they seem to have a break up at higher volume that I don't find pleasing, but the Ghia may never get them there with the lower power. The Fangs seemed to be loud and clean all the way up.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on May 3, 2014 10:10:19 GMT -7
What about a Flying Dragon to goose the volume a little? Their motto "your tone but more" (or something like that. Doesn't really color your tone.
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