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Post by ericatunc on Mar 13, 2014 7:31:42 GMT -7
I have an outdoor gig coming up and this will be my first gig with the Ghia. I don't know yet if the cabs will be mic'd. Do I need to worry about being loud enough? I play through two cabs, a 1x12 (tone tubby red) and 2x10 (z's speakers), both are Z convertibles. I'm using an 8ohm Y cable from PCNS to go to the 2 cabs.
We play rock/hard rock (Foo Fighters, RHCP, Offspring, Kings of Leon, STP, etc.)
Thanks,
Eric
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 13, 2014 8:42:36 GMT -7
Tilt one back so you can hear and get the other one off of the ground for projection forward (via amp stand, Gramma, etc.). You're moving a good bit of air with 1x12 plus 2x10 cabs; should be loud enough.
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Post by John on Mar 13, 2014 9:15:46 GMT -7
Can't really answer if it will be loud enough. I don't know how loud the band plays. And how close will the audience be? (stuff like that)
A TT red isn't all that loud of a speaker. (I had one for a few days, didn't like it at all.) But I suspect you should be fine.
My little 1x10 Ghia combo was not loud enough for only 1 gig....and it was a rare circumstance...and it was still mic'd. Stage volume was crushing loud, I was next to sub woofers, drummer pounded as hard as he could, and monitors were splitting loud. (and my guitar was not coming through the monitors.) Very low ceiling...etc. It was just a mess of volume. No clarity as a band at all.
I do have a Remedy for the bigger gigs, but most of the time it's the 1x10 Ghia.
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Post by freddieg on Mar 13, 2014 13:34:42 GMT -7
Yeah, it depends on how loud the rest of the band is gonna be and what type of event it is. An outdoor patio wine tasting party at a small restaurant - the Ghia is fine.
But if you are in an outdoor park playing a festival to a bunch of people, playing RHCP and Foo Fighters....it may be a little lacking even with 2 speaker cabs.
Basically ... What John Said ......
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Post by ericatunc on Mar 13, 2014 14:05:23 GMT -7
Can't really answer if it will be loud enough. I don't know how loud the band plays. And how close will the audience be? (stuff like that) A TT red isn't all that loud of a speaker. (I had one for a few days, didn't like it at all.) But I suspect you should be fine. My little 1x10 Ghia combo was not loud enough for only 1 gig....and it was a rare circumstance...and it was still mic'd. Stage volume was crushing loud, I was next to sub woofers, drummer pounded as hard as he could, and monitors were splitting loud. (and my guitar was not coming through the monitors.) Very low ceiling...etc. It was just a mess of volume. No clarity as a band at all. I do have a Remedy for the bigger gigs, but most of the time it's the 1x10 Ghia. John, what speaker did you end up going with? I'm not well versed with speakers, I'd like to try a C Gold at some point, but hear it's on par with the TT red. The Red Fang might be louder I think. While I would love an excuse to buy another Z, and aside from maybe trying another speaker, I'll probably just go with what I have. I usually stack them with the 2x10 on top for practice and hear myself ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 15:58:29 GMT -7
Close the back on one of those cabs for a little extra punch and projection.
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Post by redjr on Mar 13, 2014 16:02:06 GMT -7
How about two ghias? Probably need to borrow one from somebody.
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Post by Baconator on Mar 13, 2014 17:44:43 GMT -7
I've had the Ghia be too much and far too little on similar size stages. When it wasn't loud enough it was due to problems with others, specifically a bass player that is 'too loud for his age loud' (thanks for that quote, Eric) and a soundman that had no idea what he was doing causing huge sound issues on stage which made it impossible for ANYONE to hear themselves. It SHOULD be loud enough and likely will if you're playing with good players that understand the importance of a good stage sound. I will say that even when I couldn't hear myself very well with the Ghia, I was certainly able to get through the gig. The closer you can get to the speaker pointed towards your head, the better. Those two cabinets make me think that you should be fine.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 13, 2014 23:29:34 GMT -7
The Ghia projects better than most which will help on top of all the advice above
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Post by John on Mar 14, 2014 5:25:59 GMT -7
Can't really answer if it will be loud enough. I don't know how loud the band plays. And how close will the audience be? (stuff like that) A TT red isn't all that loud of a speaker. (I had one for a few days, didn't like it at all.) But I suspect you should be fine. My little 1x10 Ghia combo was not loud enough for only 1 gig....and it was a rare circumstance...and it was still mic'd. Stage volume was crushing loud, I was next to sub woofers, drummer pounded as hard as he could, and monitors were splitting loud. (and my guitar was not coming through the monitors.) Very low ceiling...etc. It was just a mess of volume. No clarity as a band at all. I do have a Remedy for the bigger gigs, but most of the time it's the 1x10 Ghia. John, what speaker did you end up going with? I'm not well versed with speakers, I'd like to try a C Gold at some point, but hear it's on par with the TT red. The Red Fang might be louder I think. While I would love an excuse to buy another Z, and aside from maybe trying another speaker, I'll probably just go with what I have. I usually stack them with the 2x10 on top for practice and hear myself ok. I ended up with the 10" gold in my combo. It came with a 10" Red Fang. The Fang was REAL loud. (for a given amp setting) The whole idea to me, was not to have a 10" 18 watt combo that I would have to attenuate all the time. It's louder than the Doc's 10" speakers. In my selection of the 10" gold...I do have to say that a large reason for choosing it, is because I wanted that country tele tone. But the speaker will do nicely for other music too. |
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 14, 2014 10:01:21 GMT -7
With all of the improvements in P.A. and monitors over the years, I've gotten so I think that the quietest place at any venue should be on the bandstand, and very rarely these days do I have to play seriously loud.
A lot of people don't realize that volume that loud has a very physically tiring effect on people, besides hearing issues.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 14, 2014 10:47:31 GMT -7
With all of the improvements in P.A. and monitors over the years, I've gotten so I think that the quietest place at any venue should be on the bandstand, and very rarely these days do I have to play seriously loud. A lot of people don't realize that volume that loud has a very physically tiring effect on people, besides hearing issues. AMEN to that! |
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 15, 2014 21:16:53 GMT -7
If the P.A./monitors are big enuff......... the amp is big enuff.
I've played festivals w/my 1x10 RF Ghia, w/the volume right around 11:00/BL on 1 (exactly where "I" think it shud be).
If the drummer/Bass player are too loud..... more monitor. INSIST upon it!!! Either they turn down, or I get more monitor. There is always that "other", FAR less pleasant option, but....... more monitor usually abides.
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