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Post by KJ on Dec 28, 2013 17:58:26 GMT -7
Just wondering how you guys mic your Ghias in a live sound situation. Opinions on mics are numerous and subject to taste, I know, but wondered if there was any pattern or consensus on how to capture the wonderful Ghia tone without coloration. I have tried the SM57 and an AKG C 214...considering the Radial JDX direct box or maybe another mic option...Sennheiser e906, etc. Any experience out there to speak of? I trust this board...if you love the Ghia, you're a friend of mine!
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Dec 28, 2013 18:19:08 GMT -7
As a general rule I like the Sennheiser 906 and the Heil PR-30. I like the mic half way between center and edge of the speaker. Distance back is preferred around 6 inches....If bleed is an issue then I go closer. The Heil is a fave for most gigs and recordings. I have a 609 silver and a beta 57 too. But the 906 and the Heil are my top 2.
Hope that is helpful.
Paul G.
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Post by LT on Dec 28, 2013 19:14:17 GMT -7
SM-57 slightly off the speaker center using a z-bar mic holder. Not very sexy but it does the job!
Welcome to the forum!
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Dec 28, 2013 21:02:09 GMT -7
Awesome. I love the z- bar too. An awesome piece of gear.
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Post by freddieg on Dec 28, 2013 21:40:38 GMT -7
The nice thing on the sennheiser, you can hang it from the amp handle. It's a little redneck fo sho but it works. And one less stand to drag to the gig.
Just curious what is wrong with the tone you are getting from your SM57? I have one. They are pretty nice mics too.
Thanks,
Gray
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Post by badbob on Jan 8, 2014 21:25:15 GMT -7
I haven't mic'ed up my new Ghia 1 x 12 combo (yet) but with my old Blackface Fenders I find the e609 on the bright side compared to the SM57.
I'm real curious how the Carmen Ghia with V30 will sounded mic'ed up with the e609.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jan 9, 2014 7:48:10 GMT -7
I'm not a huge fan of the 57 here lately as well. I know lots of folks use them and get good sound with them but they aren't my favorite cab mic. I have a radial but haven't used it yet. I'm also wanting to grab an e906 to try. I like the idea of having three different filter settings to be able to tailor the mic sound for my needs at the moment. It will be like having 3 mics in 1.
All that said, mic placement is everything and basically it can take alot of trial and error to get right. Even with the best mic you can get.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 15:26:22 GMT -7
Mic placement is huge. One thing I like doing is to put on my headphones and listen to the signal coming through the mic (mics go into Apogee Duet>Logic). So, if your headphones block out outside noise well, you really hear close to what the mic hears, and not the amp sound in the room. Then you can see what a difference mic placement makes. (Does that make sense?)
Having said that, lately I've been using a 2 mic setup - either a 57 or an e609 up close, and then a Cascade Fathead ribbon mic about a foot back. I blend the 2 inputs to taste for my recorded guitar tone. Its the best I've gotten at putting the sound I hear in the room on "tape".
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Post by bluzman on Jan 9, 2014 20:48:39 GMT -7
I like to hang a 609 or similar over the top then off center of a speaker and to save real estate by not using a mic stand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 21:35:41 GMT -7
Shure SM7B.
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Post by bootlegger1929 on Jan 11, 2014 21:48:30 GMT -7
used to be all over the SM7B for all guitar amps. Then tried the 2 mic thing for awhile but never liked how it turned out. I like 2 mics much much more for acoustic than electric. The best I've found and what I tend to go with now is simply a 421 couple feet back through a Neve 1073. It just works. Gotta mess with placement to taste/fit with the song. this is for recording of course. Live I'd love to replicate that but for close up guitar mic sounds I'd probably have to go back to the SM7B. Again. Just works.
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Post by jlegg87 on Jan 14, 2014 18:52:29 GMT -7
The e609 great for a quick mic setup, especially for a crowded stage...and it looks cool hanging in front of an amp.
I've used an SM57 on my Ghia with a Celestion Blue with great results. I don't have a set position but I have my go-to starting points when I mic an amp (straight on, slightly off center). It's one thing to have a nice isolated room with expensive mics (church gigs) and it's another thing to play on a stage right next to a booming bass player and hard hitting drummer. I would suggest a grab 'n go mic that can take some abuse. If the SM57 is too harsh, try moving it left or right of the cone. If it's not cutting through and has a tad too much bass, try moving closer to the center of the cone.
I've used the e609 and the SM57 together as well. I put the e609 on center and the SM57 next to it, slightly off center. I think they complement each other, especially for being "cheap" microphones. It's worth noting that I prefer a bright, crisp guitar sound.
I've been able to fine tune my sound through in ear monitors. I could really hear what worked and what didn't. Something like a close miked SM57 is capturing a very specific part of the speaker, because it's a very directional mic. It's important to familiarize yourself with the speaker in your amp, because it has different tonal qualities from the edge to the cone. I notice more distortion on my Celestion blue if I mic halfway between the edge and center. I get a cleaner, crisp sound if I mic directly on center.
The Ghia is a wonderful amp and I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Z-Talk is a great forum!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 19:18:05 GMT -7
used to be all over the SM7B for all guitar amps. Then tried the 2 mic thing for awhile but never liked how it turned out. I like 2 mics much much more for acoustic than electric. The best I've found and what I tend to go with now is simply a 421 couple feet back through a Neve 1073. It just works. Gotta mess with placement to taste/fit with the song. this is for recording of course. Live I'd love to replicate that but for close up guitar mic sounds I'd probably have to go back to the SM7B. Again. Just works. Yeah the SM7 can be a finicky sumbeech sometimes. For recording to me there really is no other. Live can be hit or miss. It's been good to me over the years. |
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Post by whiskeydixonbryon on Apr 7, 2014 8:45:06 GMT -7
Just wondering how you guys mic your Ghias in a live sound situation. Opinions on mics are numerous and subject to taste, I know, but wondered if there was any pattern or consensus on how to capture the wonderful Ghia tone without coloration. I have tried the SM57 and an AKG C 214...considering the Radial JDX direct box or maybe another mic option...Sennheiser e906, etc. Any experience out there to speak of? I trust this board...if you love the Ghia, you're a friend of mine! Heil PR30... Best mic period |
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Post by muzicmaken on Apr 8, 2014 7:13:23 GMT -7
Sennheiser e906 Or e609 great mics to use live. I use them every show...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 7:36:18 GMT -7
It's important to remember that any dynamic mic (906, 609, 57,SM7, HeilPr30) has what's called the Proximity Effect.
Bass and low mids are accentuated at close range (roughly 2" and under). They are designed to work at close range. The frequency
response alters considerably as the microphone is moved off of the source.
Most people use dynamics for live because Its impractical to put any distance on the microphone in a live setting.
Condensor mics have their own amplifiers in them. They were designed to reproduce more high end than dynamics or ribbons.
Ribbon mics, to me, yeiled the most natural recorded electric guitar sound. Ribbons are by nature figure 8 pattern microphones that pickup sound from both the front and the rear of the microphone. A single ribbon mic in the right spot can give you the direct sound and some of the room behind it at the same time.
As others have said, it's all about the placement of the microphone as far as getting the sound that you desire. From the center of the cone to the outside. From straight on to angled as much as 45 degrees (which will also change the response)
For recording, experiment to your heart's content.
For the gig, move the mic a little then don't be afraid to use the console's eq to get the sound that you need. You are in the heat of battle and in a live situation because there is sound coming from your amp also you are looking for 'sound augmentation' or 'sound reinforcement'. You are looking for what you need to hear in addition to what is coming out of your amp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 7:48:27 GMT -7
Live I usually go with an SM57 close to the centre and an AKG535 off to the edge but that's just for now. Once our church gets our own mics it will change. In the studio we had good results with a Sennheiser 421 and a Royer 121. Both were about 1.5" away just off centre. We would occasionally use a room mic as well. Can't remember what it was though.
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