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Post by sirgilmour on Dec 28, 2013 4:56:45 GMT -7
Hey guys,
Finally I pulled the trigger and my Carmen Ghia head should be here in a few days. I'm considering making a 112 pine cab for it. Which speaker works best for the Ghia? I have V30 and G12H30 in another cab that I could reuse but I want to make the perfect Ghia/speaker combo. How about the Silver Bell, Blue Dog, ....?
Thanks!
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Post by Russell B on Dec 28, 2013 6:27:12 GMT -7
I really love the Celestion Blue with this amp. I also love the 10" Red Fang.
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Post by GuitarZ on Dec 28, 2013 6:50:13 GMT -7
I'll throw a curve ball into the mix. I love my Ghia into my Tone Tubby which is in a small 112 pine cab. It smooths out the high end just enough to really round out the sound.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Dec 28, 2013 6:51:00 GMT -7
I recently put a cream back in my 1x12. I'm really liking it.
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Post by rickc007 on Dec 28, 2013 8:19:38 GMT -7
Depends on the tone you're looking for ...
I tone tested a bunch, and REALLY like the Heritage Greenback
Specially with pedals,
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Post by John on Dec 28, 2013 9:06:45 GMT -7
Hey guys, Finally I pulled the trigger and my Carmen Ghia head should be here in a few days. I'm considering making a 112 pine cab for it. Which speaker works best for the Ghia? I have V30 and G12H30 in another cab that I could reuse but I want to make the perfect Ghia/speaker combo. How about the Silver Bell, Blue Dog, ....? Thanks! It's a very subjective thing to try to answer. But I will say many people like the V30 with the Ghia. I've never used one with my Ghia, but lots of people here on the forum have. It seems to be a pretty popular selection. A blue/gold is also selected often. A greenback will sound good, and because it's less efficient than all others I've mentioned, the overall effect is a quieter amp. |
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Post by sirgilmour on Dec 29, 2013 2:00:13 GMT -7
Depends on the tone you're looking for ... I tone tested a bunch, and REALLY like the Heritage Greenback Specially with pedals, I will mainly set the amp at the edge of break-up and use guitar's volume knob/pedals to control clean and dirt. |
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Dec 29, 2013 7:57:08 GMT -7
I think that the Vintage 30's sonic profile fits the Ghia very well. That said, it's a loud speaker too--so there's that to watch out for. My favorite, though, with the Ghia has been a Scumnico, which would be very similar to the Silver Bell that you mentioned, and it's not quite as loud, either.
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Post by smolder on Dec 29, 2013 8:13:40 GMT -7
I think that the Vintage 30's sonic profile fits the Ghia very well. That said, it's a loud speaker too--so there's that to watch out for. My favorite, though, with the Ghia has been a Scumnico, which would be very similar to the Silver Bell that you mentioned, and it's not quite as loud, either. agreed... at least once you've pounded the crap out of it. That's a stiff speaker brand new but 100 hours or so in... it'll loosen up. |
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Post by Lash LaRue on Dec 31, 2013 15:52:20 GMT -7
I have the 2x10 Ghia Combo. Has anyone tried a Gold and Blue Celestion in this amp? It looks like a good combo on the drawing board, but I'd appreciate any input before I purchase. I must admit that I don't have any problems with the stock Z speakers. Are there many guys on this forum that believe that the stock speakers are the best match?
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Post by freddieg on Dec 31, 2013 17:03:36 GMT -7
Are you gigging with a loud band or just playing at home/basement band practice ?
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Post by smolder on Dec 31, 2013 17:44:20 GMT -7
I've had a ghia with a 1x12 and now have a 2x10 and 1x10... they seem to cut through the band better.
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Post by Lash LaRue on Dec 31, 2013 18:59:33 GMT -7
I gig with the 2x10 Ghia (stock Z 10's). It is plenty loud, as I throw a mic on it if there is ever any doubt.
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Post by Lash LaRue on Dec 31, 2013 19:00:06 GMT -7
Smolder- do you use the stock 10's?
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Post by smolder on Dec 31, 2013 19:14:06 GMT -7
Smolder- do you use the stock 10's? nope... though I've had them and they are fine, I've had golds, a myriad of webers, scumbacks, and I liked the tone tubby alnico's, but the red fangs work best for what I'm after. I run the ghia in tandem with a fender 1x12 jbl princeton reverb. |
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Post by sirgilmour on Dec 31, 2013 22:09:14 GMT -7
Are you gigging with a loud band or just playing at home/basement band practice ? I use it for home and band practice only. Thanks! |
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Post by Z-Best-Picker on Feb 13, 2014 6:54:22 GMT -7
Can not go wrong with Blue/Gold! Either, or, mix n' match. It's all good!
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Post by redjr on Feb 16, 2014 16:34:50 GMT -7
Personally I'm now a big fan of the 10" Red Fang. It just seems to growl with the Carmen Ghia. In a good way.
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Post by Stan on Feb 16, 2014 17:54:43 GMT -7
A CG LE head is on my very short list and I'm thinking of 2 small 10" cabs for footprint/weight, venue size options having both.
I already have a 10" Red Fang and thinking of pairing with the 10" C Gold in the 2nd cab.
Anyone have any experience with using both.
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Post by bryan0418 on Feb 16, 2014 18:08:26 GMT -7
The Ghia and a 12 inch Gold is fantastic.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2014 6:07:05 GMT -7
I already have a 10" Red Fang and thinking of pairing with the 10" C Gold in the 2nd cab. Anyone have any experience with using both. I do....well, separately that is. My Ghia 1x10 came with a Red Fang. When I first got the amp, I was able to test it out at full volume in a 100 person meeting room. I was using a tele and I want that clean country sound with just a bit of hair on it. But to me, the Red Fang seemed to have a lower midrange push that didn't agree with me. And I could tell it was VERY LOUD. The whole idea of having a 1x10 18 watt amp is that it's not supposed to be so dang loud. I felt something was missing from the overall tone, so I decided on another speaker. I was beginning to hear good things about the 10" gold, so I bought one. I installed it, and took the amp to the same large room. I plugged in, fired up the amp, and played for three seconds....I kid you not...THREE seconds and said "That's it...that's the tone I'm looking for." I could have packed up and gone home, but the tone was addicting, I kept playing. The Gold also isn't is loud as the fang. If you're going to use both, the fang will have the dominant tone, as it's a louder speaker. (103db vs 98db) Celestion really did a nice job with the 10" gold. (As well as the M Creamback) |
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Post by Stan on Feb 17, 2014 6:37:41 GMT -7
Thanks John for your incites, I was wondering about the dB difference
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Post by swiveltung on Mar 1, 2014 14:17:29 GMT -7
I think the greenback would be a good choice, not real loud/efficient and sounds good in that amp. I dint like a Silver Bell in that amp too well... it was nice but a little too warm/heavy on the lows. I have a Weber Legacy that is great in there but's supposedly a higher power greenback pretty much I'm told. I could see where a Fang would be good in that amp, albeit LOUD!
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Post by eggman on Mar 23, 2014 18:52:53 GMT -7
Howdy,
Don't rule out Weber's excellent AlNiCo Silver Bell. It's lovely clean tones and robust bottom end really compliment the el84 Ghia. My 30 watt AlniCo SB is more efficient (obviously) than the 15 watt Celestion blue, hence it has more headroom, fyi. (Again a very good choice for happy, chimey clean tones)
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Post by John on Mar 24, 2014 7:24:44 GMT -7
Howdy, Don't rule out Weber's excellent AlNiCo Silver Bell. It's lovely clean tones and robust bottom end really compliment the el84 Ghia. My 30 watt AlniCo SB is more efficient (obviously) than the 15 watt Celestion blue, hence it has more headroom, fyi. (Again a very good choice for happy, chimey clean tones) Are you sure about that? the Blue is a loud 100db speaker. Webers are known for being considerably lower db speakers. |
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Post by swiveltung on Mar 24, 2014 9:16:06 GMT -7
Actually Weber's claim to fame is loud. Their Logo was "Making the world a little louder every day"... or something like that. But they dont publish what Db they are. Depends on the speaker I suppose. I tried to get Ted Weber to build me a C12N type (now 12F150) that wasnt so loud once and he said "that's not really what we do". haha
I've had most of their speakers from time to time and some are pretty darn loud, but not as loud as say a Red Fang or maybe a RamRod. A lot of those Emi's are near 103 Db! To my ears 97-98 Db is not a loud speaker, 100 Db middle of the road. The Weber 12F150, 12F125, Blue Dog etc are quite loud speakers. I would hazard the Silver Bell is a step down in efficiency from those but not hugely so.
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Post by Stan on Mar 24, 2014 14:03:09 GMT -7
This info is from 18 mos ago now. Not Sure if the speakers your interested in are on the list. I was told Weber's numbers are more real world than others who seem to inflate their ratings for bigger sales.Here is the info that we have gathered so far. We are in the process of getting more speakers measured Driver Resonance SPL db 1W/M Qms Qes BL (N/A) Vas (Liters) 10A125 Alnico 20w 75.3 96 11.5 1.5 4.97 78 10A125 Alnico 30w 82.3 94 10.8 1.64 6.48 39.6 10F125 87.4 97 10.91 0.752 9.72 31.97 10A150 113 99 8.846 0.696 10.82 18 Alnico Silver Ten 106 93 15.6 2 6.69 20.86 Ceramic Silver Ten 120 97 15.2 1.017 9.84 16.8 Alnico Blue Pup 116 95 10.4 2.5 7.01 15.7 Ceramic California 10 98 95 11.2 0.648 13.93 15.76 Sig12A-S 69.3 93 13.3 3.2 5.4 78 Sig12F b 95.8 95 12.4 1.04 11.3 34 12F125 20 watt 84 97 15.6 1.03 9.7 52 12A150A 66.5 96 12.3 0.71 10.4 67 12F150 67.5 97 10.9 0.671 11.6 66 Ceramic Blue Dog 50w 90 95 25.4 0.787 13.6 32 Alnico Blue Dog 81.9 c c c c c Ceramic Silver Bell 76 c c c c c c1230 89.8 96 44.4 0.802 14 30.5 C1230-55Hz 49 96 75 0.44 13.81 109 C1225-8 ohm 86.5 95 16.9 0.837 13.11 36.6 Axis 12F 87.4 95 19.8 0.847 12.56 39 FC12F -8 ohm 68.3 94 3.47 0.619 14.3 48.8 Ceramic California 12 88.4 c c c c c Ceramic Michigan 12 45.5 97 2.835 0.38 14.82 105 Ceramic California 15 77 99 22.3 1.25 13.15 64 Alnico California 15 77 99 26.4 1.6 11.8 61 Bass 15F 35.5 94 10.4 0.638 12.83 264 ________________ C.J. Sutton technical help / quality assitance / design Weber Speakers www.tedweber.comCarrying on in the tradition of Ted Weber
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 24, 2014 16:14:15 GMT -7
Just to note here, guys--you generally can't compare published efficiencies (dB's) from different manufacturers against each other, as they all measure under different conditions...
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Post by Stan on Mar 25, 2014 8:00:46 GMT -7
Just to note here, guys--you generally can't compare published efficiencies (dB's) from different manufacturers against each other, as they all measure under different conditions... Hasn't some independent run a controlled DB test on the most popular speakers > ? ? |
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Mar 25, 2014 8:05:43 GMT -7
I've tried 'em all and the Greenback wins every time.
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