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Post by zvirgin on Oct 18, 2013 16:44:49 GMT -7
Hi Guys & Gals,
Just sold my Bandmaster & my DeVille and bought a Z-28 head. This is my first Z ( hence the handle ! ) and I would genuinely appreciate some feedback ( pun ! ) from seasoned Z 'ers.
It's the oldest question I'm afraid............1x12" cab or 2x10" ? Only ever had one 2x10" before, a fender concert combo................can't say I was impressed but by all account the Z 2x10 is AWESOME.
By coincidence, I still have a Blackstar 4x8" cab lurking somewhere but I'm not sure if it is capable of actually moving enough air !
Any comments appreciated
many thanks
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Post by "Z" Steve on Oct 18, 2013 18:20:06 GMT -7
First of all welcome to the forum. The Z28 is a great amp no question about it. I have two 2x12 cabs and one 2x10 cab. The 12's are loaded with a Celestion Gold (50 watt) and a Creamback (65 watt) and the 2 x10's are Webers, a Sliver Ten and a Blue Pup (30 watts). For my use it depends on where I will be playing. The 10's sound great at lower volume gigs or smaller venues, and the 12's sound glorious at larger venues or outdoors. The Creamback is in a closed back cab and I have used that indoors recently in a smaller setting with the back of the cab facing forward for sound reinforcement - LOVED IT. I have always loved the sound of 12's and the air they move so I am more partial to them. If you can get both I recommend it - if you can only get one I'd say get a 12 and do your research depending on what style of music you will be playing. Good luck, and let us know where you land!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 19, 2013 5:06:15 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum and congrats on choosing such an awesome amp for your first Z!! (there WILL be more - get used to the idea!!) If you're used to 2x10s then get a 2x10 - simple. The Z28 loves 2x10s, and the Doc's 2x10s are as good as anything out there ever made, so what's not to love? Enjoy!
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Post by zvirgin on Nov 26, 2013 17:03:12 GMT -7
Thanks for the info guys, I borrowed a 1x12" cab and it sounded pretty cool so I've got one on order but i sorta know I'm gonna get a 2x10" as well next year !
As I bought the Z-28 second hand I've decided to replace the 6V6's as I've no idea if they were abused by the previous owner but they do seem to run out of clean headroom a little sooner than i had imagined.
Anybody got any views as to the best replacement? I looked online and got confused by the sheer variety of tubes out there ! What's the deal with "cryogenic" treated tubes ?
thanks in advance
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Post by Ridgeback on Nov 26, 2013 17:54:57 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. In hindsight, I wish my first Z had been the Z-28. I believe you have the best overall Z amp design around (I admit I have not played even half of the models he now produces). I personally like 12's. 10's always seemed too immediate to me unless in a tweed circuit. You might also check the bias before forking out for new power tubes. Just saying....
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Post by nmz on Nov 26, 2013 22:58:33 GMT -7
I did the same thing, Z-28 was my first Z! I like 12's but would like to add a 2x10 eventually. Agree with ridgeback, check the bias and if you can NOS tubes.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Dec 3, 2013 19:31:16 GMT -7
Short answer, if you haven't already done so - get both a Z 112 cab and a Z 210 cab .... I won't make much in the way of speaker recommendations other than using whatever Dr Z Amplification uses as their stock-standard choice - and then deciding if you really need to change 'em .... Personally, I've found with the Z-28 I tended to favor single coils and P90s with the 210 cabinet .... and dual 'bucker guitars with the 112 cabinet .... ymmv Welcome aboard and congrats on choosing the Z-28 .... you gonna like, you gonna love, you gonna want lots of it cheers always, Joel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 12:58:17 GMT -7
Welcome to Z talk, I had the 2x10 and love it, but I needed a smaller amp to play small places. So I sold the 2x10 cab and put my Z 28 chassis in the Zx10 cab and just great. Plenty loud, in some rooms if people see a amp they think is big the music sounds louder to them. just the way it is.So If ya can try the 1x10 cab, stock speakers are fine. For my Rock'N' Roll I use the Galaxie, All others the Z 28. Both are awesome amps. www.drzamps.com/products/1x10.html
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Post by southmusic70 on Dec 5, 2013 13:33:55 GMT -7
I converted my Z28 head into a 1x10 a couple of years ago and have never looked back (except to get a Rati, KT45 and Route 66 - all heads - out of BST since then). The 28 is a very versatile grab'n'go for me and is great straight through or with pedals. All of my guitars sound good through it.
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Post by zvirgin on Dec 12, 2013 17:49:23 GMT -7
Hi Guys, once again, thank you all for your input.
Had the Z28 bias checked and new tubes installed.
Did a gig last Saturday with a 1x12 cab and a mahogany body tele with joe barden pickups. Absolutely f***in' AWESOME............even the drummer was impressed !!
Gig tomorrow, might use les paul just out of interest to see how it fares but smallish gig so will take tele as well in case I can't wind the Z28 up loud enough to make the LP sing. I don't normally use distortion pedals ( old school i'm afraid..........I use the guitar volume control ! ) but I was thinking about a TC electronics "spark" pedal just as a boost maybe ? Anyone familiar with these ?
Probably gonna order a 2 x10" cab next year ( once again, thanks to all who gave me their info ). So, what happens if you use a 1x12" AND a 2x10" ................!! I'm assuming immediate orgasm !!
cheers
kc
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Post by eliot1025 on Dec 14, 2013 12:28:36 GMT -7
Welcome ZVirgin! If you can, listen to the Z 10's before you buy them. My Z28 came in a 2 10" combo. After experimenting I discovered that the honky sound I disliked was the speakers' responsibility. The amps's a beauty, though. I took the chassis out, and put it in a head cab I bought from Bluzman (Paul) here on Z-Talk. Two 10's will work well with the 28, but I couldn't stand the huge mid-range hump of those specific 10's. I like some speakers with mid-range bumps, too - V30s come to mind - but not those Z 10's. I may be in the minority about Z 10's on this thread but I know I'm not alone in this. When I spoke to the customer rep at Z he'd heard this response from others and agreed with it. He explained that the negative response to those 10's was the reason Z had just (back then) started offering an alternative 10" for an additional fee. I think it was an Eminence speaker, can't recall the model.
If you're looking for a clean boost pedal the Xotic RC Booster is a great choice. It also functions as an EQ pedal with boost and cut knobs for treble and bass. Those tone knobs are voiced so they extremely usable. So it's a boost pedal, a cut pedal and a tone control. It's Dr. Z's favorite clean boost. I love mine. I want a second one.
Have you tried a Z Brake Lite for quieter gigs? Good stuff for the price.
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Post by jesslm02 on Dec 17, 2013 13:34:23 GMT -7
Hi Guys, once again, thank you all for your input.
Had the Z28 bias checked and new tubes installed.
Did a gig last Saturday with a 1x12 cab and a mahogany body tele with joe barden pickups. Absolutely f***in' AWESOME............even the drummer was impressed !!
Gig tomorrow, might use les paul just out of interest to see how it fares but smallish gig so will take tele as well in case I can't wind the Z28 up loud enough to make the LP sing. I don't normally use distortion pedals ( old school i'm afraid..........I use the guitar volume control ! ) but I was thinking about a TC electronics "spark" pedal just as a boost maybe ? Anyone familiar with these ?
Probably gonna order a 2 x10" cab next year ( once again, thanks to all who gave me their info ). So, what happens if you use a 1x12" AND a 2x10" ................!! I'm assuming immediate orgasm !!
cheers
kc
The spark boost is a great pedal. I've been using one for 4 or 5 months now. IMO it's similar to the Xotic RC but is a little more versatile because of the EQ switch. Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Proboards
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Post by "Z" Steve on Dec 17, 2013 14:20:35 GMT -7
Hi Guys, once again, thank you all for your input.
Had the Z28 bias checked and new tubes installed.
Did a gig last Saturday with a 1x12 cab and a mahogany body tele with joe barden pickups. Absolutely f***in' AWESOME............even the drummer was impressed !!
Gig tomorrow, might use les paul just out of interest to see how it fares but smallish gig so will take tele as well in case I can't wind the Z28 up loud enough to make the LP sing. I don't normally use distortion pedals ( old school i'm afraid..........I use the guitar volume control ! ) but I was thinking about a TC electronics "spark" pedal just as a boost maybe ? Anyone familiar with these ?
Probably gonna order a 2 x10" cab next year ( once again, thanks to all who gave me their info ). So, what happens if you use a 1x12" AND a 2x10" ................!! I'm assuming immediate orgasm !!
cheers
kc
To answer the last part of your question - if you were seriously considering it, get one of these from our fellow Z member Todd. It allows you to run two cabs at the same ohm ratings from one head/amp. This is the correct way to do it with Z amps without doing some damage to it (and it is hard to hurt them) procablesnsound.com/items/speaker-y-cables/power-y-adapter-70003-detail.htm And his guitar and patch cables are great as well.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Dec 17, 2013 15:11:59 GMT -7
^^^ +1 on the cables from PCNS ..... you gonna like it when you run a 210 + 112 with your Z-28 cheers always, Joel
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Post by zvirgin on Jan 24, 2014 17:37:11 GMT -7
Hi everyone, sorry for the delay in replying.
Once again thanks for all your advice. Have ordered 2x10" cab ( should be arriving next week.........whoohoo !) 'cos I just had to find out for myself !
I take onboard all your advice re 1x12 v 2x10 and thank you all for that. Having spoken to the guys from peachguitars (UK) they are adamant that I've gotta try a 2x10 cab !! Yes I know they are in the business of selling me one !! Got to find out for myself I guess. I was well impressed with the 1x12 cab I must admit.
Thanks to all who responded to my query about running both 1x12 & 2x10 together. I apologise for my ignorance but I'm still not sure how to do it? Can I put a "y" splitter lead into the amp and run 2 cables to the cabs or 1 speaker lead out of the amp into a "y" cable from one cab to the other ? Which speaker output should I use from the amp? presumably the 4 ohm socket ?
Also, bought a TC "spark" pedal and so far seems pretty good in the sense that it doesn't color the basic sound from the guitar so once again, Thank you all for your advice.
gig tomorrow so will update !!
thanks to all again
kc
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 25, 2014 10:05:38 GMT -7
Y-cable ... looks like what it described as ..... you will use the 4 ohm out from the back of the amp and the cable will extend until there is a "split" with a connector for each of the two 8 0hm cabs .... send a pm to PCNS and he can explain much more effectively than me cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 25, 2014 10:07:21 GMT -7
Or contact John @ Peach Guitars - not sure if he is at the NAMM show right now, but he's onboard here as English John
cheers always,
Joel
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