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Post by vigness on Sept 20, 2013 12:22:26 GMT -7
I recently had the rare opportunity to actually play the Remedy at volume through my 412 greenback cab. Balanced and beautiful tone that is truly inspiring to play. To me, it is THE sound of rock. Unfortunately, it just isn't practical for club gigs. I hear a lot about how great a 112 creamback sounds, so I am wondering how it compares? Does it have the same vibe and tonal qualities of the 412, but with less volume? Does it have similar breakup quality? Anyone have experience with both?
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Post by John on Sept 20, 2013 15:14:29 GMT -7
Multiple speaker cabinets will always have a little 'something' over a one speaker cabinet. Because no two speakers sound or behave exactly alike, there's a bit of 'smoothing over' of the tone.
It's actually not going to be all that less volume. There are a lot of things going on. In the 4x12, there are more speakers, but each speaker is only getting 1/4 the power. In the 1x12, it's getting all the power. (another way: a 2x12 is not twice as loud as a 1x12)
The greenback is my favorite speaker, and I have to say the Creamback is pretty great. I will say even a 1x12 creamback with a full power Remedy might not be a 'club' amp. I use a Ghia for my club gigs and save the Remedy w/creamback as my 'big rig'. That said, I would have no problem using the Remedy w/Creamback on 1/2 power, or use an attenuator for a club gig. (and have done so, it's great.)
Also, for club gigs, with their small stages, it's just not practical to use a closed back cabinet. (like a 4x12) The amp can be a your feet and all the sound blasts out past your ankles and you wonder why you can't year yourself. With an openback, the sounds comes out the back and bounces off the wall...and up..and you can hear better.
I don't have THAT much experience with the breakup of the creamback. I wouldn't imagine it's exactly the same. But Celestion did a great job with it. I've had 5 different speakers in my 1x12 cabinet before the creamback. And the creamback is never coming out.
There are many here on the forum that love the creamback. Very well received speaker.
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Post by vigness on Sept 20, 2013 16:27:54 GMT -7
That makes a lot of sense. I do prefer open back when I play clubs for just the reasons you mention. But currently I have a 210 which I like with my Z28 but it doesn't seem to work as well with the Remedy. Sounds like a creamback and 1/2 power may be a good option, although I was hoping it would attenuate the volume a little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 16:28:33 GMT -7
I have to say I loved the Gold with the Remedy in the 1/12 cab. However, I now have two 1/12 cabs one open back one closed and both cabs have creambacks in them. I keep one at home and one at church.. I could actually change one of those speakers in one of my cabs for some different flavor but in all honesty I like the creambacks with both my Remedy and ghia. My Ghia combo has a red fang in it but once in a while I run it into that creamback. I may one day change one of my cabs but for right now Im like if something aint broke don't try to fix it. The creambacks rock. Plus who the heck wants to lug around a 4/12 or even a 2/12 cab not me thats for sure.
John is right on! Open back is the way to go live. At home I keep my other cab closed for recording.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 16:30:12 GMT -7
That makes a lot of sense. I do prefer open back when I play clubs for just the reasons you mention. But currently I have a 210 which I like with my Z28 but it doesn't seem to work as well with the Remedy. Sounds like a creamback and 1/2 power may be a good option, although I was hoping it would attenuate the volume a little. Also I run my remedy live on full power with the creamback. At home I run it half power.
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Post by vigness on Sept 20, 2013 17:07:58 GMT -7
Good to know full power is possible with the creamback. And it isn't ear bleeding volume? And yes, I have no desire to lug that 412 around - haven't done that in 10 years and I don't play those size venues anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 23:39:21 GMT -7
Good to know full power is possible with the creamback. And it isn't ear bleeding volume? And yes, I have no desire to lug that 412 around - haven't done that in 10 years and I don't play those size venues anymore. No ear bleeding at all with the creamback.
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Post by John on Sept 21, 2013 5:06:53 GMT -7
Good to know full power is possible with the creamback. And it isn't ear bleeding volume? And yes, I have no desire to lug that 412 around - haven't done that in 10 years and I don't play those size venues anymore. No, it's not ear bleeding volume. But I say that knowing I use the setup for mostly outdoor gigs. That makes a big difference. But a 97db 1x12 really does reduce the volume. It's a noticeable reduction from 100db speakers such as blue, gold, G12H, V30....a lot of Eminence speakers too.
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Post by vigness on Sept 21, 2013 7:13:53 GMT -7
Great info, thanks for the input!
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Post by LT on Sept 21, 2013 7:47:21 GMT -7
John and Rev are spot on. I grew up using 412 cabs, but have zero interest in one now due to size/weight, and the ability of a good 112 to deliver a fantastic tone. Based on these guys recommendation, I put a Creamback in my Z 112 and use it with a full power Remedy. Excellent rig.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 19:08:16 GMT -7
I can plug into my 1/10 ghia combo with the red fang and it is loud! I mean real loud. Plug that ghia combo into my 1/12 cab with the creamback and its a very noticable drop in loudness and volume. John is the one who schooled me on the speaker dbs and he is right it makes a huge differnce you will get more out of the remedy with a less efficient speaker and at reasonable volumes where you won't melt peoples faces off. Plus save your own ears as well. PLus as LT said you can use it full power too which is more headroom.
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