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Post by nicholas on Apr 19, 2013 16:09:41 GMT -7
I have to admit that I've been looking forward to this amp for quite a while. I think the first rumors surfaced a few years ago. I was pretty stoked about it, but then found out it had no master volume. I don't want to rule it out yet but I have a feeling it won't have enough gain for what I wanted in that amp. I'm sure it is great, just not so sure it's what I had planned for it.
For you guys that have one.... what would be the heaviest music you could see it putting out at medium size gig volume (for lack of better words, don't gig anymore but play at that volume or louder at home). I had a Remedy so comparisons to that would be helpful.
Could it do 80's hard rock? Modern rock? Not looking to use pedals for od. I would be running it through an EVH 4-12 cab with his greenies.
Thanks for any insight....
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Post by KeithA on Apr 19, 2013 18:26:03 GMT -7
I have to admit that I've been looking forward to this amp for quite a while. I think the first rumors surfaced a few years ago. I was pretty stoked about it, but then found out it had no master volume. I don't want to rule it out yet but I have a feeling it won't have enough gain for what I wanted in that amp. I'm sure it is great, just not so sure it's what I had planned for it. For you guys that have one.... what would be the heaviest music you could see it putting out at medium size gig volume (for lack of better words, don't gig anymore but play at that volume or louder at home). I had a Remedy so comparisons to that would be helpful. Could it do 80's hard rock? Modern rock? Not looking to use pedals for od. I would be running it through an EVH 4-12 cab with his greenies. Thanks for any insight.... Lol...I think you and I are looking for the same amp! I don't think the Antidote has that edge. Keith
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Post by nicholas on Apr 19, 2013 19:21:13 GMT -7
Lol Kieth. We seem to be birds of the same feather. I actually think I found that amp ..... but the search never ends....
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 20, 2013 1:49:19 GMT -7
I would say if you use pedals, think Zep, AC/DC, & Allman Bros. If no pedals you really have to crank it. I use pedals so I love it. If I didn't use pedals it's sweet sounding amp with lots of low end, mids, sustain and sparkle all at the same time. More gain on Remedy with a master vol. The Dote' Sounds like late 1960s and early 70s albums.
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Post by DRZ on Apr 20, 2013 6:38:44 GMT -7
Very early in my amp building career I realized that no matter what for some players there is never enough gain in an amp. I would build an amp it would be on the brink of run away feedback and these young guns would come in play them, then give that scrunched up face look and say "more gain it needs more gain". Never enough like feedback junkies. Well I soon tired of hearing DWIDDLY DWIDDLY for what seemed like hours at end. I decided I would voice my amps like the ones I heard my hero's play on multitude of great 60's and 70-'s recordings. Brillant jangle of the early 60's British groups, Bitting clean snap of the electric Blues players, and smooth articulate tones of the crunchy 70's rockers.
Thats all you'll find here, so their's no more to see so just move along...........
Sincerly, DR.Z
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Apr 20, 2013 7:04:47 GMT -7
Thats what is so cool about DRZ AMPS!!! they are not "MUSH MONSTERS" as I call them. I own one of the HIGHER GAIN Z Models and while even at the Highest Gain settings its not Liquidy saturation its Glorious Toneful/Soulful CRUNCH, I can push it into MODERN MOLTEN Sounds with OD/Boosts but very rarely do..... I have been so busy lately working I havent had alot time here on the forum but, IM so STOKED about the New AMP!!! I think its the Perfect Platform for those great Hendrix to VH tones If thats what you are needing, GREAT JOB AGAIN MIKE Z! aka DRZ
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Apr 20, 2013 8:02:40 GMT -7
I'm loving mine - straight in it nails that 70s rock sound. Robin Trower sounds to die for without a pedal. Hendrix - yep! SRV - yep. As Doc says those tones aren't for everyone - nothing wrong with that he's just not after that sound. Plenty of other amp makers can and do make 80s hard rock amps that capture that sound without pedals. The MAZ GT is probably the closest you'll get but still not exactly what you're looking for. Good luck with your quest for the sound in your head!
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Post by markT on Apr 20, 2013 8:23:28 GMT -7
^^^ Thanks guys- Sounds exactly like what I'm looking for.
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Post by gotmojo on Apr 20, 2013 8:35:21 GMT -7
I think this amp is very gainy! Has a beautiful gain/saturation sound, super smooth. Whole Lotta Love and Good Times Bad Times and Reeling In The Years sound great on it - straight in, no pedals. Not gritty, but smoooooooth. Only problem is, you gotta crank the amp volumes up to about 2-3 o'clock to get it and then its loud as p_ss!!! My ears can't take it, but when I run it through the Air Brake clicked down to Bedroom level or one click up from Bedroom: That's what I'm talking about for home or small club volumes. Granted, braking any amp down that far adds a fair amount of extra fuzz in my estimation, but it's a great sound, nonetheless. If you braked less than that you'd have to crank the volumes up a bit more to regain that nazz, but there seems to be plenty o' room.
jj
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 20, 2013 10:57:50 GMT -7
^^^ Thanks guys- Sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. Hey Mark ! It will be! And what gotmojo said '''Smoooooooooth" sums it up. Heck even DR Z chimed in. What he said exactly ! Well, this is Z talk Gain Smain. This amp is all SWEET SPOT. EXTA GAIN IS COVERED BY WAMPLER, XOTIC, & WALRUS
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Post by Lefty on Apr 20, 2013 15:46:03 GMT -7
Leave the high gain up to the other guys. I've found over the years that preamp distortion alone tends to get lost in the mix. However pedal distortion on top of output tubes cooking always makes me smile. And if you out grow the pedal, you can always buy a different one. On my board I have 4 different pedals all do a wide variety of clipping/boosting/distortion. To get that with one amp I would need 4 channels. As always YMMV.
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Post by mtlrecords on Apr 20, 2013 17:21:19 GMT -7
I love that Doctor Z chimed in here! If you're searching for high gain sounds from a Z, try a slightly dirty sound from any number of their amps (I like the EZG-50 set crunchy for this particular task) and add a Wampler Triple Wreck and there you go.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Apr 21, 2013 2:06:52 GMT -7
Hi gain Z amp? Try the SRZ65....... or........... do as all have said above - use a really good pedal. The foundation tone of the Z amp, any Z amp, is what works. Layering gain/distortion on top can be done easily with a pedal, but the foundation still shines through!
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Post by nicholas on Apr 25, 2013 17:52:35 GMT -7
Thats what is so cool about DRZ AMPS!!! they are not "MUSH MONSTERS" as I call them............ IM so STOKED about the New AMP!!! I think its the Perfect Platform for those great Hendrix to VH tones If thats what you are needing, GREAT JOB AGAIN MIKE Z! aka DRZ Thanks! I'm not into "mush monsters", nor do I play dwiddly, dwiddly, for hours on end. So far I've bought 8 new Z amps and really like them. Humbucker has me on speed dial I might just give the antidote try, even with the advice to "move along" .If I could boost it a bit with a Tube Screamer with the drive almost off and the level up around 1:00 and get into early VH, Sabbath, damn Yanks, ect I'd be good. I just never had much luck with pedals. Usually what I want is just a twist away.... the knob marked VOLUME. Next time I ask about available gain I'll be more specific lol. Even if it doesn't get as hot as I would like, I'm pretty sure I'd like it.
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 25, 2013 19:44:10 GMT -7
Thats what is so cool about DRZ AMPS!!! they are not "MUSH MONSTERS" as I call them............ IM so STOKED about the New AMP!!! I think its the Perfect Platform for those great Hendrix to VH tones If thats what you are needing, GREAT JOB AGAIN MIKE Z! aka DRZ Thanks! I'm not into "mush monsters", nor do I play dwiddly, dwiddly, for hours on end. So far I've bought 8 new Z amps and really like them. Humbucker has me on speed dial I might just give the antidote try, even with the advice to "move along" .If I could boost it a bit with a Tube Screamer with the drive almost off and the level up around 1:00 and get into early VH, Sabbath, damn Yanks, ect I'd be good. I just never had much luck with pedals. Usually what I want is just a twist away.... the knob marked VOLUME. Next time I ask about available gain I'll be more specific lol. Even if it doesn't get as hot as I would like, I'm pretty sure I'd like it. jammergreg wrote: '''''It is a Magical amp...Even after having many a Dr Z, this amp is all about the ''sweet spot.'' It seems to be everywhere not a spot like my Remedy. Maybe after playing it more I'll find the Glory Spot...LOL No matter, leads, fills, chords the amp has a great sound all over. Very 3-D and Creamy and Sparkle all at the same time. I'm using it Friday a a Medium sized place (small to pros). I'm gonna bring my Paul and Strat (by Grosh). I'll give more input then. I think the Dr Z it like me in love with the tones of the 60s and 70s but with modern features and reliability. ''Move Along'' to a Heavy Metal or Death Metal amps He does not make. If you play Hard Rock, Rock or Blues or Country this thing KILLs and it loves all my pedals '''''
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Post by Merks on Apr 27, 2013 6:10:20 GMT -7
Very early in my amp building career I realized that no matter what for some players there is never enough gain in an amp. I would build an amp it would be on the brink of run away feedback and these young guns would come in play them, then give that scrunched up face look and say "more gain it needs more gain". Never enough like feedback junkies. Well I soon tired of hearing DWIDDLY DWIDDLY for what seemed like hours at end. I decided I would voice my amps like the ones I heard my hero's play on multitude of great 60's and 70-'s recordings. Brillant jangle of the early 60's British groups, Bitting clean snap of the electric Blues players, and smooth articulate tones of the crunchy 70's rockers. Thats all you'll find here, so their's no more to see so just move along........... Sincerly, DR.Z Sheesh......, a little touchy there don't you think Doc? A forum member and Z owner asks a question about how much gain he could expect if he were to buy the amp and you sum things up with a negative slant towards guys who like high gain amps and then seek to close the discussion with a "move along" comment? I thought the purpose of these threads was to promote discussion of the amps tonal characteristics so the potential buyer can make the right decision? Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, if I am please accept my apology, if not........ I'll leave it up to you to discern if a follow up comment is appropriate. Respectfully, Merks.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Apr 27, 2013 6:19:29 GMT -7
Dood....
You gonna gitcha legs striped for that one.
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Post by DRZ on Apr 27, 2013 7:11:20 GMT -7
Sheesh......, a little touchy there don't you think Doc? A forum member and Z owner asks a question about how much gain he could expect if he were to buy the amp and you sum things up with a negative slant towards guys who like high gain amps and then seek to close the discussion with a "move along" comment? I thought the purpose of these threads was to promote discussion of the amps tonal characteristics so the potential buyer can make the right decision? Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, if I am please accept my apology, if not........ I'll leave it up to you to discern if a follow up comment is appropriate. Respectfully, Merks. Not touchy , just straight and direct. One of the posters has requested high gain amps repeatedly in his posts and thought the Antidote wouldn't hit the mark. I agreed and supported his feelings as a friend not a SALESMAN. Suggesting he look at other amps to satisfy his higher gain needs. Sometimes it's tough to talk man to man on this forum as I have insulted some with my straight talk style . I have never tried to be all things to all people. I know what I do from my heart and sell it that way. I offer a true insight into my building style, I guess it can be misinterpreted from time to time. DR.Z
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Post by Merks on Apr 27, 2013 9:23:37 GMT -7
Thanks for the speedy reply Doc! I have no issue with direct, man to man talk and appreciate the non-salesman approach to providing honest feedback. Knowing tha additional information provided concerning the "repeated request for high gain" amps I get the short direct approach. Unfortunately, without the additional information the response seemed unnecessarily abrassive and dictatorial from a general readers perspective (at least mine). Thanks for the clarification and I also hope you can appreciate my candor. A good name is to be desired above riches and the longevity of the Z-line of amps testifies to the one you have built. Merks.
***T-Rock, Lol...., I have been on this forum for sometime now and have never felt intimidated by anyone, forum members or the good doctor, to the point I was worried about voicing my opinion on any matter. The intent of my post was to point out my perception of a response given by the owner of a successful business. Surely any business owner who cares about his future would welcome honest feedback from long time members. Rock on brother, it's all good. Merks.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Apr 27, 2013 9:50:31 GMT -7
Just funnin', man. I knew Z wud chime in.
This is a cool place, because it ONLY allows cool peeps. The rest.... well, they tend to weed themselves out.
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 27, 2013 13:35:34 GMT -7
Not touchy , just straight and direct. One of the posters has requested high gain amps repeatedly in his posts and thought the Antidote wouldn't hit the mark. I agreed and supported his feelings as a friend not a SALESMAN. Suggesting he look at other amps to satisfy his higher gain needs. Sometimes it's tough to talk man to man on this forum as I have insulted some with my straight talk style . I have never tried to be all things to all people. I know what I do from my heart and sell it that way. I offer a true insight into my building style, I guess it can be misinterpreted from time to time. DR.Z My wife says '' It's when I go Italian'' on people so, Badda Boom Badda Bing. It's OK I'm Italian and he is a Doctor and with his last name maybe too.
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Post by DRZ on Apr 27, 2013 14:14:48 GMT -7
I don't know about going Italian, though I am. More like a Root Canal Tuesday and Hand surgery Thursday, it's been a hell of a week.
DR.Z
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 27, 2013 15:04:24 GMT -7
I don't know about going Italian, though I am. More like a Root Canal Tuesday and Hand surgery Thursday, it's been a hell of a week. DR.Z Or...a week of hell.. yuck... I loved being in the Dentist chair with my mouth in a vice for three hours. Twice! I hope never again. I live with spinal cord damage so I do go Italian when needed. LOL Get well and recovered soon Dr Z. jammergreg
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Apr 27, 2013 16:00:48 GMT -7
I don't know about going Italian, though I am. More like a Root Canal Tuesday and Hand surgery Thursday, it's been a hell of a week. DR.Z I cudda saved you some money on that root canal, Bruthr. PLUS.... you wudda had a HELLA lot more fun. Hope you can still whack 'dem skins after the "hand job".......
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Apr 27, 2013 20:53:41 GMT -7
I don't know about going Italian, though I am. More like a Root Canal Tuesday and Hand surgery Thursday, it's been a hell of a week. DR.Z Ouch! Get yerself well Mike......................
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Post by jammergreg on Apr 27, 2013 22:40:09 GMT -7
Guitar playing and hand surgery. Wow! I have some bone lose in my right thumb and pointer finger they hurt when play, Advill helps, but I would hate to have to get the ''hand job'' (surgery)...but in the future if needed, I may have to also.
Good healing on the hand Mike.
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Post by pintail78 on May 6, 2013 19:46:07 GMT -7
Yea, getting older is rough but the alternative is much worse..........
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Post by jammergreg on May 6, 2013 20:12:10 GMT -7
Yep ! The older I get the better I Was.
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