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Post by jlowder23 on Mar 21, 2013 19:38:14 GMT -7
I have a remedy with a 1x12 Celestion gold. I play pretty regularly in a 1000 capacity venue. I run my remedy on half power with an airbrake on 2 clicks. Volume at about 9 on high and normal. How are you guys able to run full power without blowing the front row away? Anytime I try to run without an airbrake, even on half power, the sound tech is all over me about turning down. Same applies with my ray. I don't even get to use my poor 2x12 with blues.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 21, 2013 19:53:33 GMT -7
...and you take his word for it? Sorry - had to be said. I guess I should expand on that. Have you and the sound guy had a nice close intimate discussion about what it should sound like out front? If not, I'm betting it has almost no guitar whatsoever. These days >>most<< of the sound guys I've worked with felt that the most important (i.e., loudest) thing should be the bass and bass drum. If anything can be heard above those, it is too loud. I disagree. Listen to virtually every Beatles hit that had guitar in it - not only was it the featured instrument, it was as loud as the vocals. Today's sound is nothing like that. OK, to your question - I never gigged my Remedy full power without attenuation. I always used an Airbrake, usually on two or three clicks.
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Post by iluvpunz on Mar 21, 2013 20:30:19 GMT -7
Part of it is the Celestion Gold, a great sounding speaker but seriously efficient ie loud. I'm using a Creamback which helps because of the lower efficiency. Also, I have my cabinet angled up so the cabinet is not pointed directly at the front row. If you are playing in a club or performance hall you should be able to get away with more stage volume if the cabinet has some angle to it. If you are in a church you might need a shield in front of the amp. Like Steve, I'm using mine with a Brake Lite on one or two clicks. If I play an outdoor venue I use a closed back 2-12 with Greenbacks, again lower efficiency speakers. I love the Gold and have had one for years but have had to move to a different speaker because it was just too loud for most venues when I had the amp cooking,even with the Brake Lite.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 20:33:23 GMT -7
I love the celestion Gold with the Remedy however when I had mine I was always in the 20 watt setting and my normal settings where bass at 10 mids at about 1 treble at about 1-2 high and normal both at about 10-11. I would use my pedals for dirt and crunch ansd still be pretty loud. Once I heard about the Celestion Creamback and it being a less effcient speaker I figured I would give it a try and I am very happy I did. I now play in the 40 watt setting all the time. Same settings but at times can push it even a little more. Def get more out of the Remedy with the Creamback. Its a great speaker and really does the Remedy justice. Real warm and woody with a nice sweet midrange. Don't get me wrong I love the Gold but it needs to be pushed and loud to get the best tone out of it and thats easier said then done most places.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 21, 2013 20:36:36 GMT -7
I love the celestion Gold with the Remedy however when I had mine I was always in the 20 watt setting and my normal settings where bass at 10 mids at about 1 treble at about 1-2 high and normal both at about 10-11. I would use my pedals for dirt and crunch ansd still be pretty loud. Once I heard about the Celestion Creamback and it being a less effcient speaker I figured I would give it a try and I am very happy I did. I now play in the 40 watt setting all the time. Same settings but at times can push it even a little more. Def get more out of the amop with the Creamback. I gotta get me one o dem!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 20:47:38 GMT -7
I love the celestion Gold with the Remedy however when I had mine I was always in the 20 watt setting and my normal settings where bass at 10 mids at about 1 treble at about 1-2 high and normal both at about 10-11. I would use my pedals for dirt and crunch ansd still be pretty loud. Once I heard about the Celestion Creamback and it being a less effcient speaker I figured I would give it a try and I am very happy I did. I now play in the 40 watt setting all the time. Same settings but at times can push it even a little more. Def get more out of the amop with the Creamback. I gotta get me one o dem! Steve you turned me on to the Gold and trust me it was hard for me to part with mine. No complaints though it was the right move for my playing situation.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 21, 2013 20:53:40 GMT -7
I gotta get me one o dem! Steve you turned me on to the Gold and trust me it was hard for me to part with mine. No complaints though it was the right move for my playing situation. Trouble is, I have three of them here. If I try the Creamback and like it, I have some work to do. Actually, once I have the Remedy mods I doubt it will matter all that much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 21:01:08 GMT -7
Steve you turned me on to the Gold and trust me it was hard for me to part with mine. No complaints though it was the right move for my playing situation. Trouble is, I have three of them here. If I try the Creamback and like it, I have some work to do. Actually, once I have the Remedy mods I doubt it will matter all that much. I plan on doing the mod too and I hear what your sayin. With the master volume it will be a big difference.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 22, 2013 9:34:21 GMT -7
I have a remedy with a 1x12 Celestion gold. I play pretty regularly in a 1000 capacity venue. I run my remedy on half power with an airbrake on 2 clicks. Volume at about 9 on high and normal. How are you guys able to run full power without blowing the front row away? Anytime I try to run without an airbrake, even on half power, the sound tech is all over me about turning down. Same applies with my ray. I don't even get to use my poor 2x12 with blues. Yep, I feel your pain, and have the same issue! Some thoughts: Change your speaker to either a Creamback or a G12 65 (I have this one), or even a Weber DT-12 - they are all less efficient than a Gold, so quieter by about 3-4 dB (that's pretty noticeable) Then try 40W with full attenuation (I'm now doing this when I can - the Remedy handles attenuation better than any other amp I've used it with) as I find this better than 20W with less attenuation. Go figure. When available, consider the PPIMV mod just announced by DrZ - mine will be done the moment it's available over here (UK), as I figure if the Rem can cope with pretty heavy attenuation with ease, then a PPIMV will be a walk in the park! Man, I love this amp!
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Post by doctorice on Mar 22, 2013 17:10:35 GMT -7
I agree with Steve. The sound guy and you need to reach a reasonable accommodation: the guitar likely is buried in a bass-heavy "modern" mix. You and the rest of the band should be allowed to have a comfortable stage volume, including getting decent tone from your amp.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Mar 22, 2013 18:42:50 GMT -7
The Remedy is one LOUD amp & depending on what speakers your using it can be difficult to tame. Airbrake can fix this but I have yet to use an Airbrake live. I'm not sure why. The Creamback wit the Remedy is significantly easier to manage than the gold. I've played some large venues with my 2x12 V30/G12H and I switched the Remedy to 1/2 power after the first power chord. With the Creamback 40w setting is within reach. I cannot wait to get my Remedy back with the MV / EQ mods. I'm ready for it!!!
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 22, 2013 22:43:19 GMT -7
"ONLY -12db"?.... dammit, man.... That's like saying, "Buy a Kia....It's ONLY 500 HP less than a 'Vette".
When I see posts like this (2 loud on full), I HAVE to shake my head.
This amp is rated @ 45 watts(OMG...it's a MONSTER!). I use a ZBest w/Greenbacks, sometimes, a 1x12 w/a WGS ET65. I can gig it ANYwhere, w/NO attenuation. Granted...if you want full-on power tube saturation.... I can imagine where it "may" get a bit loud(for church).
However, it DOES have 2 volume knobs. USE 'em....
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Post by brayks on Mar 22, 2013 23:07:32 GMT -7
I recently picked up a couple of acrylic amp shields to address this long standing problem; and what a difference they made. One of the issues was the amps were being pickup up by the vocal mic's which added to the volume problem and sound guys "discontent". Since I started using the amp shields the sound guy's thumbs went from down to actually UP. I can get the amps cookin' and I'm not blowing away the folks in the first/direct line of fire. I still use an attenuator but only for about 9dB attenuation. I can now unleash the beast as apposed to keepin' him tied up and frustrated. We get a lot of compliments on our sound quality and relatively low volume level these days.....
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Mar 23, 2013 1:13:23 GMT -7
^^^^ I like the idea of these shields. The main issue with sound guys IMHO, is they are standing right in the line of fire of our amps. Using one of these (or pointing our amps in a totally different direction??) will solve the sound guy's problem. Our other guitarist has bad hearing. He has to turn his amp way up live to hear himself and blows the front row away, and the rest of us too! We bought him a raised stand for his 1x12 combo, and at every gig, make sure it's pointed right at his head! It helps a lot, but I like the idea of these screens better
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Post by Maddog on Mar 23, 2013 5:27:06 GMT -7
I frequently play my remedy on 40 watts with no attenuation with a G12H30 at outdoor gigs. I don't like the 1/2 power sound nor the attenuated sound nearly as much as the unbridled 40 watt setting. Like TRock said, it's all in the volume controls (and how you play). Frequently I'll put a road case in front of my speaker cab if the crowd is close. I commonly have my volume controls around 9-10 each, and a clean boost which breaks up the preamp a bit for some crunch....this kinda softens the attack....
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Post by jlowder23 on Mar 23, 2013 7:06:09 GMT -7
I agree with Steve. The sound guy and you need to reach a reasonable accommodation: the guitar likely is buried in a bass-heavy "modern" mix. You and the rest of the band should be allowed to have a comfortable stage volume, including getting decent tone from your amp. I have actually recorded our performance many times and always get tons of compliments about how great my guitar sounds. The sound man is just a big believer in letting the PA do the work. So he says anyway. It always sounds great but I'd love to open it up. I'm gonna order a creamback.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 23, 2013 7:24:46 GMT -7
^^^^ I like the idea of these shields. The main issue with sound guys IMHO, is they are standing right in the line of fire of our amps. Using one of these (or pointing our amps in a totally different direction??) will solve the sound guy's problem. Our other guitarist has bad hearing. He has to turn his amp way up live to hear himself and blows the front row away, and the rest of us too! We bought him a raised stand for his 1x12 combo, and at every gig, make sure it's pointed right at his head! It helps a lot, but I like the idea of these screens better The main issue with sound guys is they are trying to make your band sound like a disco record. IMHO...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 8:27:55 GMT -7
"ONLY -12db"?.... dammit, man.... That's like saying, "Buy a Kia....It's ONLY 500 HP less than a 'Vette". When I see posts like this (2 loud on full), I HAVE to shake my head. This amp is rated @ 45 watts(OMG...it's a MONSTER!). I use a ZBest w/Greenbacks, sometimes, a 1x12 w/a WGS ET65. I can gig it ANYwhere, w/NO attenuation. Granted...if you want full-on power tube saturation.... I can imagine where it "may" get a bit loud(for church). However, it DOES have 2 volume knobs. USE 'em.... I only play at Church and NEVER use attenuation even when I had the Gold I never used the air brake. I generally keep my volumes at about 10 and adjust my pedals volumes and gains accordingly and also use my guitars volume and tone controls to go from clean to crunch to lead. Thats what I love about the Remedy its a set it and forget it type of amp. The less controls the better. However I am down for that master volume mod. That will make it even easier to play without pedals at a reasonable volume.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 8:56:48 GMT -7
^^^^ I like the idea of these shields. The main issue with sound guys IMHO, is they are standing right in the line of fire of our amps. Using one of these (or pointing our amps in a totally different direction??) will solve the sound guy's problem. Our other guitarist has bad hearing. He has to turn his amp way up live to hear himself and blows the front row away, and the rest of us too! We bought him a raised stand for his 1x12 combo, and at every gig, make sure it's pointed right at his head! It helps a lot, but I like the idea of these screens better The main issue with sound guys is they are trying to make your band sound like a disco record. IMHO... They always want to bury the guitar and turn up the bass, keyboards, and drums. I had one guy come into a Church I was playing at and put the hammond b3 organs speaker right in front of my amp! It was during a week long revival. I humbly asked him could we please move this Its right in front of my amp. Even the organ player was like its better where it was. The church hired this guy he didn't offer any mic options or anything so I ended up having to deal with it. I had to sit in the choir section with the choir and move my speaker over The next night this guy gets up in my face and starts disrespecting me. So I said to him " Hey brother can I ask you a question?" He said yea What? I said " If your here then tell me who's runnin Hell?" He went off! You should have seen the look on his face. I ended up doing the right thing an apologizing. Needless to say he left me alone after that. I got through the week and gave God the Glory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 9:07:01 GMT -7
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Post by Maddog on Mar 23, 2013 9:36:29 GMT -7
I said " If your here then tell me who's runnin Hell?" Yeah, Prob not the best q to ask in church ..... really funny, tho.....
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Post by LT on Mar 23, 2013 13:51:53 GMT -7
Funny stuff rev!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 16:40:35 GMT -7
I said " If your here then tell me who's runnin Hell?" Yeah, Prob not the best q to ask in church ..... really funny, tho..... Trust me it was the right question to ask him. He did that on purpose. I actually new the guy used to play at another church with him He is actually a really good drummer. I am just a humble servant of the lord. I will pull out my sword though If im backed in a corner.
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Post by Sam on Mar 24, 2013 4:38:55 GMT -7
I did a gig in a club last night. Remedy in full power, Air brake with 1 click, Z 1x12 cab with V30, PRS DGT and an Xotic EP Booster. Best sound I've ever had. Loving the Remedy in full power.
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Post by guttapercha on Apr 8, 2013 10:54:25 GMT -7
My most frequent venue, I run full power with 4 clicks. It's just so loud with a V30+G12H30. I always start at 3 clicks for the soundcheck, but the soundman always tells me to turn down! This weekend, he said "C'mon Josh, how many times do I have to tell you?"!! This coming weekend, I'll get to run at 2 clicks at a much bigger place
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