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Post by dei305 on Jul 19, 2006 11:47:53 GMT -7
Hey all! I have a MAZ Sr combo 1-12 with verb. The amp is back at Doc Z for a tune-up. Currently, I have the stock Celestion ceramic G12H 30-watt with the obligatory cone cry. I tried a Weber Blue Dog and found it to be just tad darker than I wanted. So, now I am considering an Alnico Silver Bell or Tone Tubby. I look forward to your suggestions. Many thanks! Rick
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 19, 2006 12:01:18 GMT -7
I put an alnico Tone Tubby in mine and can see no reason to change it. My favorite speaker of all time, but I haven't tried them all by any means. South Valley Vintage amps discounts them a bit.
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Post by JChance on Jul 19, 2006 14:10:59 GMT -7
I keep hearing great thing about Tone Tubbies... But I also hear that they are on the dark side of things. If you want to be a tad less dark than a Weber Blue Dog, the Silver Bell is absolutely the ticket. A little flatter response, and the highs ring like... well.... a BELL! You can hear the Silver Bell in my MAZ Sr with a Strat on my Sound Click page. Scroll down about 2/3rds of the way and you'll find it. Compared to the Blue Dog with the same mic placement, EQ, etc, the Blue has a touch more midrange and chime, while the Silver Bell has bold lows and highs, but not really Fender-y. More like a Marshall with clarity... J www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=465770
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 19, 2006 14:17:36 GMT -7
I think the 'dark' generalization about the Tone Tubbies started with the original cone formulation. Now they are all shipped with the H1-E cone, the E is for extended. Clapton prefers this cone in his Twin repro amps. Tonality-wise my Tone Tubby sounded very similar to the stock Celestion, just smoother and no cone cry. crak the treble and the TT would take your head off. I use my Maz 38 with the treble at 9:00 or less and the cut almost off and it still has sparkle IMO. May not be as bright as a celestion Blue but what is?
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Post by dei305 on Jul 19, 2006 17:12:57 GMT -7
J, How are you? thanks for the heads up on the silver bell. Is yours an Alnico or Ceramic? 50Watts? is it doped?..help! Sounds to me like the Silver Bell is the way to go. Have you checked out Mangans' pure nickle strings? They feel and sound great. Many thanks! Rick
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Post by teleking36 on Jul 19, 2006 18:33:34 GMT -7
J, How are you? thanks for the heads up on the silver bell. Is yours an Alnico or Ceramic? 50Watts? is it doped?..help! Sounds to me like the Silver Bell is the way to go. Have you checked out Mangans' pure nickle strings? They feel and sound great. Many thanks! Rick hey there, i've got an alnico 30w silver bell in my Zbest right now. it's got about 30-40 hours on it, nice and broken in. what a speaker! really smoothed out this cab and took away some of the harsh mids from the v30. that being said, i'm planning on trying a few more speakers out. I have a J Design 1x12 cab on order that should be ready next week, and I plan on putting a 50W Alnico SB in there, so I'm gonna try and move the 30w SB to pick one of these up. In the meantime, I'll probably end up putting the ZBest on the back burner while i try out this 1x12. If it give me what I need, I'll move the ZBest as well. I live in an apartment, and I've rarely had the chance to really use the cab the way it's supposed to be used. but who knows! i might keep both! but anyway, if you're interested in the SB, i'm gonna be selling my 30W SB soon.
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Post by JChance on Jul 19, 2006 19:17:41 GMT -7
J, How are you? thanks for the heads up on the silver bell. Is yours an Alnico or Ceramic? 50Watts? is it doped?..help! Sounds to me like the Silver Bell is the way to go. Have you checked out Mangans' pure nickle strings? They feel and sound great. Many thanks! Rick Hey, Rick... Funny you should ask about Mangan. I finally ran out of my supply of D'addarios last week and placed my first order with Mangan. Got them on Monday, and immediately put them on my guitars. I love 'em! Mine are the "standard" nickel wound.... As far as the Silver Bell goes, here are my thoughts. The one that you heard on the clips was 30 watts, light dope, ceramic. But, I had the amp attenuated to about 1/2 power with a Weber mini-MASS. So the speakers weren't being pushed. For *my* tastes, at 30 watts and light doping, the Silver/Blue were a touch too edge-y at performance levels. Not harsh, but almost. So I sent them back to Ted and had them re-coned to 50 watts with moderate doping. MUCH better for what I was after. Tightened them up, and made them sound strong even when the amp is pushed. Most people dig the 30 watt'ers with light doping, because they are very dynamic. Generally speaking, though, I need a pretty high level of headroom and punch before the speaker starts giving up the goods, so that's why I opted to have them re-coned. I've also had the 50 watt alnico Blue/Silver in another amp. Same basic tone, but with a slightly softer attack (duh!) and a little more "bounce." Most guys love the alnicos, and I'm sure you'd be more than happy with them. I'm just not a big alnico guy, which is something I've discovered from years of experimenting. I may try to do some more clips with the MAZ 38 and the Webers since they've had a few months to really break in and loosen up since the re-cone. I doubt you'll be able to tell any difference in a recording, though... J
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Post by JChance on Jul 19, 2006 19:19:48 GMT -7
By the way, I've had the good Doc mention a few times that he's partial to the Weber Silver Bells as well...
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Post by skydog958 on Jul 21, 2006 7:18:09 GMT -7
What about the Weber 1230? It's supposed to be Weber's version of the G12H, but it's also available in alnico. I have 2 G12Hs in my 45, the problem is they are too loud by the time the good break up and power tube distortion come out (but they sound amazing when I crank them!) and there is some cone cry. Anyone try those Webers?
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 21, 2006 10:34:00 GMT -7
A KT45 into any speakers will be too loud no matter what. You might enjoy an Air Brake down a click or two.
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Post by skydog958 on Jul 21, 2006 11:56:33 GMT -7
A KT45 into any speakers will be too loud no matter what. You might enjoy an Air Brake down a click or two. Yes, true. Forgot to mention I have a Airbrake on reserve so keep that in mind. You always catch me BG!
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Post by guitarstan on Aug 24, 2006 11:31:53 GMT -7
here's another vote for the ceramic Tone Tubby used in a single 12 cab with my Maz Sr, love that speaker. I probably use it more than any other, I just keep coming back to it. I bought a second one to put in a 2 x 12 cab with a Weber Silver alnico ;D simply awesome.
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Post by Curt on Aug 24, 2006 12:16:33 GMT -7
J, How are you? thanks for the heads up on the silver bell. Is yours an Alnico or Ceramic? 50Watts? is it doped?..help! Sounds to me like the Silver Bell is the way to go. Have you checked out Mangans' pure nickle strings? They feel and sound great. Many thanks! Rick hey there, i've got an alnico 30w silver bell in my Zbest right now. it's got about 30-40 hours on it, nice and broken in. what a speaker! really smoothed out this cab and took away some of the harsh mids from the v30. that being said, i'm planning on trying a few more speakers out. I have a J Design 1x12 cab on order that should be ready next week, and I plan on putting a 50W Alnico SB in there, so I'm gonna try and move the 30w SB to pick one of these up. In the meantime, I'll probably end up putting the ZBest on the back burner while i try out this 1x12. If it give me what I need, I'll move the ZBest as well. I live in an apartment, and I've rarely had the chance to really use the cab the way it's supposed to be used. but who knows! i might keep both! but anyway, if you're interested in the SB, i'm gonna be selling my 30W SB soon. I'll take first dibs on the silver.
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Post by jcshirke on Sept 30, 2006 15:23:40 GMT -7
Hey Guys,
I'm totally new to this thread, and I have very little experience experimenting with speakers types. But, that said, I'm wondering if any of you might think that a Tone Tubby 12" Alnico and the Weber Silver Bell would mate well together in a 2 x 12 cab (specifically with a Maz 38). I'm seriously interested in that amp, but I need to think about speaker/cab (or combo) configurations. I have only played through a 1 x 12 with a (regular) G12H30. I loved it, but I would like to consider other options also. Thoughts?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Post by jcshirke on Sept 30, 2006 17:04:58 GMT -7
Just wanted to follow up on my other post: What if I had a G12H30 and a Silver Bell (or Tone Tubby) in a 2 x 12? Would one of those combinations also work well?
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Post by bookmobile on Feb 21, 2007 20:05:30 GMT -7
I keep hearing great thing about Tone Tubbies... But I also hear that they are on the dark side of things. If you want to be a tad less dark than a Weber Blue Dog, the Silver Bell is absolutely the ticket. A little flatter response, and the highs ring like... well.... a BELL! You can hear the Silver Bell in my MAZ Sr with a Strat on my Sound Click page. Scroll down about 2/3rds of the way and you'll find it. Compared to the Blue Dog with the same mic placement, EQ, etc, the Blue has a touch more midrange and chime, while the Silver Bell has bold lows and highs, but not really Fender-y. More like a Marshall with clarity... J www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=465770I listened to your clips and definitely liked the silver bell better than the blue. How much of that great tone was the compressor? Please say it was hardly on...
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Post by homicidalzen on Feb 21, 2007 21:52:24 GMT -7
"Strat- Dr.Z MAZ 38- Weber Ceramic Blue Dog"
I loved the sound in this clip the best, can I achieve that sound with the Maz 18? I'm thinking about getting another cabinet, right now I have a 12" Ceramic Tone Tubby and a 12" Alnico Tone Tubby in a walnut cabinet. Thinking about throwing a 10" Blue Pup or a 12" Blue Dog in a scumback cab (adjustable). What are the tonal differences between teh different sizes? Also considering a 15" Blue Dog in a 1x15 cab. Any ideas? Thanks. =)
Love the hendrixy clean sound (a la Little Wing), other than that I prefer to play with an SRV sound (Tin Pan Alley, Testify).
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Post by dei305 on Feb 23, 2007 8:55:27 GMT -7
sky, What about the Weber 1230? It's supposed to be Weber's version of the G12H, but it's also available in alnico. I have 2 G12Hs in my 45, the problem is they are too loud by the time the good break up and power tube distortion come out (but they sound amazing when I crank them!) and there is some cone cry. Anyone try those Webers? I put a Weber 1230-55 (with Beam Blocker) in my MAZ Sr /verb 1-12. It sounds awesome! Rick
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Post by beej on Feb 24, 2007 19:03:51 GMT -7
sky, What about the Weber 1230? It's supposed to be Weber's version of the G12H, but it's also available in alnico. I have 2 G12Hs in my 45, the problem is they are too loud by the time the good break up and power tube distortion come out (but they sound amazing when I crank them!) and there is some cone cry. Anyone try those Webers? I put a Weber 1230-55 (with Beam Blocker) in my MAZ Sr /verb 1-12. It sounds awesome! Rick JUst got a weber 1230-55 myself. It's still breaking in but so far so good. smooth across the freqs. Waiting for the bottom end to show up once it breaks in.
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Post by Mitch on Feb 25, 2007 21:04:28 GMT -7
You guys with the Weber 1230-55's, do you have the alnico or ceramic ?
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Post by dei305 on Apr 6, 2007 4:44:50 GMT -7
Mitch, Mine is a ceramic. I put this speaker in a Ghia with Beam Blocker...wow! Rick
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