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Post by zone47 on Nov 8, 2012 7:17:14 GMT -7
I had a Remedy and regrettably sold it. Now I'm thinking of buying another, but at the same time wonder if I should try something new that is in the same ballpark ?
Any ideas? Gee, it's hard to imagine a better tone than that 6V6 tone.
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Post by doctorice on Nov 8, 2012 7:26:52 GMT -7
Of the Zs I've played the Remedy is, so far, unique. I own a JAZ, which has the same 4 x 6V6 power section (with the half-power switch as well). It does not sound like a Remedy.
I suppose the not-yet-released Antidote may have some similarities.
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Post by John on Nov 8, 2012 7:48:13 GMT -7
Yeah, the closest thing is the soon to be released Antidote.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 8, 2012 7:48:34 GMT -7
It's strange in many ways - the Doc has a range of Maz amps (8-18-38) which are basically the same amp scaled up, or down, but that's the only range of this type. All the other amps may have similarities, but essentially they are all unique. Basically, there isn't another amp which sounds like the Remedy, and if you want one which does....... get a Remedy! As for 6V6 goodness, the Z28 has that in it's gene pool, but with an EF86 front end, it doesn't really sound like a Remedy. The Antidote mentioned by Mike above won't be 6V6. I guess it depends on how much you want 6V6s to be honest - Z28 or Jaz20/40 and of course the Remedy, would be your only choices there, but they all sound different.
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Post by bryan0418 on Nov 8, 2012 7:56:41 GMT -7
You can get kinda close with a maz 18. I used that settings sheet that Doctorice made and the "Marshall" setting is quite close I think. Of course el84 is not 6v6 but playing live I doubt you can hear much of a difference.
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Post by southmusic70 on Nov 8, 2012 10:47:37 GMT -7
Is there any info out on the Antidote, specs/features, release date, etc.?
..not that I mind waiting with the Zs I have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 12:32:06 GMT -7
The Z-28's close at some settings. At low volume with an OD the Rem can do some of what the Z-28 does, and at higher volume/gain settings the '28 can do some of what the Rem does. Different feel, though--the '28's more percussive, the Rem's just MORE.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Nov 8, 2012 13:24:42 GMT -7
Is there any info out on the Antidote, specs/features, release date, etc.? ..not that I mind waiting with the Zs I have. The following is from Doc himself: It will come with two set's of Output tubes, with a unique dual bias set up, so with a click of a switch you can swap between KT-66 or EL-34 tubes that are sent with your amp. I say this though I am testing KT-77's in place of EL-34's. There has been " A whole lot a shakin' going on " in Maple Hts. as of late, so please except my apology for the extended wait on the release, it will be worth the wait....... DR.Z Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi#ixzz2BfG2RZN2A little bit of what I know: It will be capable of running either KT66s and EL34s (or maybe KT77s) it has a vintage/modern foot switchable feature, has volume controls like the Remedy (Normal and higher gain), and a presence control. Soundwise, it is JTM45 and JTM 50 sounding depending which power tubes you elect to use in it. I've been lucky enough to play one of the prototypes and have my order in for one already. Todd had one to play with for "mini Z-Fest" and he told me it had an EQ bypass though I didn't see it - my eyes were attracted to all the glass that came with it There's some pics floating around in one of the threads here - search on "Antidote" to find them. Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi#ixzz2BfGlhHylSoundclip:
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Post by zone47 on Nov 8, 2012 17:47:54 GMT -7
It's strange in many ways - the Doc has a range of Maz amps (8-18-38) which are basically the same amp scaled up, or down, but that's the only range of this type. All the other amps may have similarities, but essentially they are all unique. Basically, there isn't another amp which sounds like the Remedy, and if you want one which does....... get a Remedy! As for 6V6 goodness, the Z28 has that in it's gene pool, but with an EF86 front end, it doesn't really sound like a Remedy. The Antidote mentioned by Mike above won't be 6V6. I guess it depends on how much you want 6V6s to be honest - Z28 or Jaz20/40 and of course the Remedy, would be your only choices there, but they all sound different. wow, I love a good EF86 amp .... I may have to look into that Z28 ... great idea, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 17:53:51 GMT -7
There are many loyal Z-28 fans here (yours truly included). It's a fantastic amp--think brown Deluxe but a whole lot better.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 9, 2012 3:01:03 GMT -7
^^^ A huge Z28 fan here too - I have both Z28 and Remedy and use them to cover the whole volume range I need (I have retro-fitted a Power Scaler to my Z28 so I can dispense with the BL and get really low volume). The Z28 will go in a 1x10, and the Rem with a 1x12. With the right pedal, as Jon says, I can get much the same tones from both to cover bedroom, right up to big outdoor venues ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 9, 2012 6:37:14 GMT -7
Every Dr. Z amp I've owned had a unique tonal character and dynamic. I'm not really sure how he does that, but there is no doubt they are all individual performers. If you want the Remedy thang, you need a Remedy to get it.
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Post by roknfnrol on Nov 9, 2012 7:17:58 GMT -7
Is there any info out on the Antidote, specs/features, release date, etc.? ..not that I mind waiting with the Zs I have. The following is from Doc himself: It will come with two set's of Output tubes, with a unique dual bias set up, so with a click of a switch you can swap between KT-66 or EL-34 tubes that are sent with your amp. I say this though I am testing KT-77's in place of EL-34's. There has been " A whole lot a shakin' going on " in Maple Hts. as of late, so please except my apology for the extended wait on the release, it will be worth the wait....... DR.Z Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi#ixzz2BfG2RZN2A little bit of what I know: It will be capable of running either KT66s and EL34s (or maybe KT77s) it has a vintage/modern foot switchable feature, has volume controls like the Remedy (Normal and higher gain), and a presence control. Soundwise, it is JTM45 and JTM 50 sounding depending which power tubes you elect to use in it. I've been lucky enough to play one of the prototypes and have my order in for one already. Todd had one to play with for "mini Z-Fest" and he told me it had an EQ bypass though I didn't see it - my eyes were attracted to all the glass that came with it There's some pics floating around in one of the threads here - search on "Antidote" to find them. Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/index.cgi#ixzz2BfGlhHylSoundclip: Great band, that guy is a member here at ZTalk and at TGP if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 17:53:21 GMT -7
Just now spent a few minutes A/B-ing the Z-28 and the Remedy. Despite running through different cabs (Rem through a 1x12 Creamback, '28 through a G12H30), they do, indeed share a notable similarity in tone at low volume, pushed by an OD pedal (Jetter Jet Drive, in this case). Similar crunch, similar lead tones--this with a Strat. The '28 is a more "out front" amp, if that makes any sense--the notes seem to jump out of the front of the cab, while the Rem has a slightly rounder, bigger tone, with notes that seem to originate deeper in the cab and then bloom and sustain there in the room with you as you play. Hard to compare settings since the tones stacks are so different, but the two amps definitely have some overlap. Can the Rem do stuff the '28 can't? Yep--big stage, balls-out rock, for one. Is the '28 maybe a bit more bluesy and soulful in some very abstract, impossible to pin down way? Maybe, yeah. Love 'em both--very lucky to have such great stuff to play through. One of these days a Route 66. One of these days another Ghia. And maybe an Antidote...
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Nov 10, 2012 19:31:57 GMT -7
^^^ It frightens me how much we think the same way about Z amps, Jon....... even the ones we don't have!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 2:01:24 GMT -7
Yeah, the closest thing is the soon to be released Antidote. Can't wait to hear the antidote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 2:15:14 GMT -7
Just now spent a few minutes A/B-ing the Z-28 and the Remedy. Despite running through different cabs (Rem through a 1x12 Creamback, '28 through a G12H30), they do, indeed share a notable similarity in tone at low volume, pushed by an OD pedal (Jetter Jet Drive, in this case). Similar crunch, similar lead tones--this with a Strat. The '28 is a more "out front" amp, if that makes any sense--the notes seem to jump out of the front of the cab, while the Rem has a slightly rounder, bigger tone, with notes that seem to originate deeper in the cab and then bloom and sustain there in the room with you as you play. Hard to compare settings since the tones stacks are so different, but the two amps definitely have some overlap. Can the Rem do stuff the '28 can't? Yep--big stage, balls-out rock, for one. Is the '28 maybe a bit more bluesy and soulful in some very abstract, impossible to pin down way? Maybe, yeah. Love 'em both--very lucky to have such great stuff to play through. One of these days a Route 66. One of these days another Ghia. And maybe an Antidote... I had a Z28 for a little while and agree that the remedy and the z28 had some slight similar vibes. Thats one of the reasons I sold my Z28! It is a fantastic amp and your a/b testing results are right on thats a great break down on them both I totally agree. The Z28 sounded more like a Fender amp clean but could also can get marshall like overdriven which was very cool where as the Remedy is more Marshall plexi like cleans and Marshall crunch. For me I would always prefer the Remedy. Even now I gig with my remedy 99.9 per cent of the time and use my maz 18 studio as a back up. The one thing I do like about the maz is its versatile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 17:03:34 GMT -7
The Ghia is more Marshall like as well. Now that I own one I would say its a nice compliment to my Remedy. The Ghia is a aweswome little amp.
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