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Post by matcaster on Nov 24, 2006 11:11:54 GMT -7
I think it is a cool little amp.....not as good as my z-28 but good. Does anybody tried to modify it, change speakers etc...
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 24, 2006 16:13:06 GMT -7
I think if you take the time to read over reviews on Harmony Central you may see some suggestions for mods that owners believe have made an improvement . I know tubes and speakers will be suggested then again you get that with most amps .
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Post by dougv on Nov 24, 2006 17:20:50 GMT -7
Go to the fender discusion page (fdp forum). SEarch their 1985-newer amp forum lots of info about the pro junior. Also search for post by billm he is a serious modder for blues junior and pro junior amps.
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Post by Lefty on Nov 24, 2006 18:06:28 GMT -7
Good amp, crappy speaker. Get yourself a P10R, much much better. It takes the boxiness out of it, well a lot of it. Also good tubes help.
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Post by matcaster on Nov 24, 2006 18:09:24 GMT -7
thanks for your help !
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Post by tele1962 on Nov 24, 2006 23:06:15 GMT -7
The Junior creates enough heat to create dryness enough to eventually put a warp into the PC board. This is a problem for a lot of Fender amps today. When that happens, all bets are off. The 3 models that show up at the shops with this occuring most often are the Junior, all the Hot Rod series, and the Deluxe '65 re-issue. There's 3 crackerjack electronic /amp repairmen that are in my city, and they agree on this point. One guy said ' the mod you need to make is point to point wire the little bastard and tear the damn PC board out!"
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Post by JChance on Nov 28, 2006 11:27:34 GMT -7
The Junior creates enough heat to create dryness enough to eventually put a warp into the PC board. This is a problem for a lot of Fender amps today. When that happens, all bets are off. The 3 models that show up at the shops with this occuring most often are the Junior, all the Hot Rod series, and the Deluxe '65 re-issue. There's 3 crackerjack electronic /amp repairmen that are in my city, and they agree on this point. One guy said ' the mod you need to make is point to point wire the little bastard and tear the damn PC board out!" DING DING DING! We have a winner.... What he is saying is SOOO dead on. I've owned all of the above at one point or another, as have several of my friends. Just crappy QC on those production amps these days. I have a friend who works with a major artist that took delivery of a Hot Rod Deluxe from Fender recently, and it literally fried itself on stage during the FIRST sound check he tried to use it on. Like, as in, sparks were flying out of one of the pre-amp sockets. I had a '65 Deluxe reissue that was in the shop about 4 times in a 6 month period. Kept having all kinds of electrical problems... Was burning screen resistors left & right.... Also had a ton of problems with a '65 Twin reissue I had, as well as a Hot Rod Deluxe. If I was going to do a mod to a Pro Junior, then I'd check into the 18 watt Marshall mod. Not sure which website to go to, but I've heard & read about a couple of techs that gut the Pro Junior and turn it into an 18 watt Marshall clone with fairly simple procedures. If you don't go that route, then at least put some good tubes and speaker in it as suggested above. J
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Post by Lefty on Nov 28, 2006 11:47:52 GMT -7
I had a '65 Deluxe reissue that was in the shop about 4 times in a 6 month period. Kept having all kinds of electrical problems... Was burning screen resistors left & right.... Had a '65 DR RI do the same thing, over and over.
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Post by JChance on Nov 28, 2006 11:50:54 GMT -7
AND OVER AND OVER... Have a friend who's '65 reissue is doing it right now!!
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 28, 2006 13:26:17 GMT -7
Any problems with the 65 RI Super Reverbs ??
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Post by JChance on Nov 28, 2006 16:36:57 GMT -7
Any problems with the 65 RI Super Reverbs ?? Ya know, they are pretty much the same amp as the '65 Twin and Deluxe, with the obvious minor differences. But I've played through tons of reissue Supers, and I actually think they are pretty good amps. I've gotten them a lot on backline provided fly-dates, and think they sound the best in terms of the "out-of-the-box" Fender reissues. Don't know that I've heard about as amny problems with them as I have with the Twins & Deluxes... J
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Post by Dr.T on Nov 29, 2006 0:23:50 GMT -7
I found a Tweed Pro Junior from a guy in the country that bought it 10 years ago without be able to play anything and it was new!! Very nice looking, I think it sounds good, I take it anytime my R66 is too much.
But if there's some suggestions about tubes & speaker, I will try.... Even for more clean volume and less saturation (I use pedals).
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Post by JChance on Nov 29, 2006 6:29:47 GMT -7
I found a Tweed Pro Junior from a guy in the country that bought it 10 years ago without be able to play anything and it was new!! Very nice looking, I think it sounds good, I take it anytime my R66 is too much. But if there's some suggestions about tubes & speaker, I will try.... Even for more clean volume and less saturation (I use pedals). For more clean volume, I'm not familiar with the Eminence line of 10's...But I'm sure some guys here can give you suggestions.. For a "classic" Fender tone, I'd say try a Weber 10F150. It's his version of a Jensen C10N. Or for even more headroom, you could try a ceramic Weber California 10. I'd get it with the paper dome, though, if you don't want the "hi-fi" JBL sound that you get with the aluminum dust cap.
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 29, 2006 13:53:32 GMT -7
For more headroom use an extension cab with a 12" or 15". I've tried for years to find a 10" speaker that's as efficient and full sounding as a larger speaker. I've got Gauss, Altec, EV, Jensen, Oxford, two different kinds of JBLs and they just won't do it. Recently at a posh dinner club we play at, I disconnected one of the Z tens in my Z 2x10 cab and even it didn't sound that great by itself. I'm sure you'll want to keep that amp's speaker load at the correct impedance. I would think that the best thing would be to gut that amp and rewire it and upgrade the output transformer. On second thought just get a Carmen Ghia!
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Post by matcaster on Dec 1, 2006 7:26:57 GMT -7
I bought a 10" tone tubby ceramic, it fits in my pro junior but as it is a lot deeper than the stock speaker, the back of the TT is touching the main board of my amp, do you think it could be a problem ?
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 1, 2006 8:50:34 GMT -7
On the old Tweed Bassmans there is very little clearance between one of the top 10s and the chassis. I've seen pictues of guys wedging a piece of cardboard between them. I don't think it would actually be any problem unless it makes a physical rattle. I've touched speaker frames while they're playing and there really isn't much vibration. It's the cone that's moving. If the frame was moving much cabinets would all be shook apart.
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Post by tele1962 on Dec 1, 2006 21:06:32 GMT -7
Thanks JChance! You're a winner as well! I firmly believe that we are mostly all agreed here, and what I';d like to see happen is just to steer young, and or inexperienced players AWAY from the things that we've found to be painful. Many time I've received critcism for being too firm about a few things, and I've even heard this... ( in a whining voice) " Make sure you say ' it's just my opinion' when you voice something strongly" So let me wander into the minefield once again Giuys, when you hear things like this about those 3 model amps or more, DON'T buy them. Don't mod them, don't look at them ,don't throw dollars at them, and don't try and polish a turd. Just say no! Geez, one guy even spends big money on an expensive speaker and it doesn't fit, and may cause even greater grief. All this in an amp that should have been left at the store. When does this BS ever come to an end boys?
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 2, 2006 8:46:34 GMT -7
I think it comes from what people have in their mind is their budget and what they feel they "deserve". The Gear Page is littered with people having wet dreams over their Peavey 30 and Deluxe Reverb Reissues. I don't know if they ever get over it and pay for a real lifetime amp. A guy could buy any Z and never worry about another amp again for not much more than what they spend and how much they lose buying lots of in-between gear. It's human nature I guess. However I don't mind a guy having a hobby amp and the pro junior is better than most for that but it's really not worth modding them, except the speaker, but I think an extension cab hooked up to it will result in a lot more bang for the buck than changing speakers and modding the electronics alone will do. Long way around I know but I agree with Kurt.
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Post by tele1962 on Dec 4, 2006 18:34:40 GMT -7
"The Gear Page is littered with people having wet dreams over their Peavey 30 and Deluxe Reverb Reissues. I don't know if they ever get over it and pay for a real lifetime amp. A guy could buy any Z and never worry about another amp again for not much more than what they spend and how much they lose buying lots of in-between gear. It's human nature I guess."
Thank you Billy. It needed to be said.
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