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Post by real oldster on Oct 28, 2006 6:45:08 GMT -7
One place I play always has 60 cycle hum so I'm forced to use the in-between settings exclusively. I was considering noiseless pickups when I thought Hey! Can't a guitar be grounded somehow to stop this noise? Can't the racket be filtered out? Why is replacing the pickups the only option? I've heard of people shielding their guitars. I'd run an alligator clip from my bridge to my &*%$ if it would help! Come on wizards, ideas?!
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Post by jwr on Oct 28, 2006 8:05:02 GMT -7
The John Surh BPSSC system is your only option if you want to keep the pickups you have in the guitar now. But you can't use a RWRP middle pickup, all 3 have to be of the same winding, so I BELIEVE you will lose the out of phase sound in positions 2 and 4. It's expensive too, $325 is the listed price on his web site. I've heard really good things about the Dimarzio Area 61' and 58' pickups. I'm using Kinmans but I'm thinking of giving the Dimarzio's a whirl. I'm just not getting the harmonic detail that I've been looking for. Jason
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 28, 2006 8:49:57 GMT -7
One place I play always has 60 cycle hum so I'm forced to use the in-between settings exclusively. I was considering noiseless pickups when I thought Hey! Can't a guitar be grounded somehow to stop this noise? Can't the racket be filtered out? Why is replacing the pickups the only option? I've heard of people shielding their guitars. I'd run an alligator clip from my bridge to my &*%$ if it would help! Come on wizards, ideas?!Help Stop Italics AbuseOldster, you can't filter it out because all that noise is right in the audio spectrum. Well, let me change that, you CAN filter it out, but then your guitar would sound like crap. The only strategy that seems to work is using some technique to put it out of phase with itself (like a humbucking picukp does). Shielding only goes so far because after all, your pickups stick up through the pickguard and are the "antenna" that is doing the pickup of noise. That said, shielding does helpl. I've never cared for noiseless pups so I've been willing to put up with the occasional noisy environment. In the last ten years I've only had one place where it was so bad I was forced to play in positions 2 and 4 on the Strat.
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Post by kruzty on Oct 28, 2006 8:51:35 GMT -7
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Post by guitarstan on Oct 28, 2006 8:54:22 GMT -7
Steve, What is it that you don't like about noiseless PUP's? I've been happy with mine on my Strat but maybe I'm missing something. One place I play always has 60 cycle hum so I'm forced to use the in-between settings exclusively. I was considering noiseless pickups when I thought Hey! Can't a guitar be grounded somehow to stop this noise? Can't the racket be filtered out? Why is replacing the pickups the only option? I've heard of people shielding their guitars. I'd run an alligator clip from my bridge to my &*%$ if it would help! Come on wizards, ideas?!Help Stop Italics AbuseOldster, you can't filter it out because all that noise is right in the audio spectrum. Well, let me change that, you CAN filter it out, but then your guitar would sound like crap. The only strategy that seems to work is using some technique to put it out of phase with itself (like a humbucking picukp does). Shielding only goes so far because after all, your pickups stick up through the pickguard and are the "antenna" that is doing the pickup of noise. That said, shielding does helpl. I've never cared for noiseless pups so I've been willing to put up with the occasional noisy environment. In the last ten years I've only had one place where it was so bad I was forced to play in positions 2 and 4 on the Strat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2006 13:43:44 GMT -7
The John Surh BPSSC system is your only option if you want to keep the pickups you have in the guitar now. But you can't use a RWRP middle pickup, all 3 have to be of the same winding, so I BELIEVE you will lose the out of phase sound in positions 2 and 4. It's expensive too, $325 is the listed price on his web site. I've heard really good things about the Dimarzio Area 61' and 58' pickups. I'm using Kinmans but I'm thinking of giving the Dimarzio's a whirl. I'm just not getting the harmonic detail that I've been looking for. Jason Hi Jwr, you do not lose positions 2&4 without a rwrp middle pickup. They just wouldn't be hum-cancelling anymore on a normal strat. If you play the Fender Custom shop '54 strat, it has an old three way switch and a normal middle pickup. If you can balance it right you can get the in between sounds which are just as noisy as the other positions. I believe on the '54 the middle pickups isn't Reverse-wound; just like the original. They are using a dummy coil with the BPSSC system so all three pickups have to be the same to work.
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Post by tele1962 on Oct 28, 2006 14:42:36 GMT -7
Absolutely right. The CS '54 doesn't have a reverse wound middle. Custom Shop doesn't sell the reverse wound #2 Pu's. You can get some Mexican models that have them, BUT they are not at the voltage rating that would match the others in line, and they sound quite ratty to boot. Check your local music or repair shop. They just may have a reverse wound that they've pulled out of another guitar. I have a perfectly good reverse wound Strat PU that I pulled out of a guitar some time time ago, and it's packed up in a Custom Shop box along with the rest of the original set. They exist, and a lot of times are for sale.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 28, 2006 16:27:41 GMT -7
Steve, What is it that you don't like about noiseless PUP's? I've been happy with mine on my Strat but maybe I'm missing something. You probably aren't missing anything. If you like your sound, what else is there? I just love that top end sparkle from straight ahead single coil pups. The noiseless pups are a great advance, but a tiny bit of that top end sparkle gets snuffed in the process. I spent $160 for a guitar cord so that my HF doesn't get killed (4 times, in fact!). If I'm that anal about my tone, then you might see why I prefer the plain single coils.
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Post by jwr on Oct 28, 2006 17:54:18 GMT -7
Hey thanks aruntang! +1 for the info. I wasn't sure about positions 2 and 4, that's really good to know as I've been considering trying the BPSSC system. I've heard good things about it. Jason
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Post by GuitarZ on Oct 28, 2006 18:25:13 GMT -7
Hey! Just get the doggone BPSSC system. We're all waiting for someone to give it a go.
You know, you could try it without swapping out the pickups. If it works in positions 1, 3, and 5, you could then think about swapping out the pickups.
The painful part is that none of these options are cheap. I bought my Kinman's and I'm happy, but I ended up spending about $400 when all was said and done because I picked up the no-solder kit which was actually worth it. If you go the BPSSC route and also have to swap out your pickups, that's not too cheap either.
Maybe Edison was a guitar player. He launched the first electrical system and it was DC. Mr. Westinghouse came along and introduced the 60 Hz AC system. Westinghouse must have been a booking agent on the side.
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Post by jwr on Oct 29, 2006 20:36:24 GMT -7
GuitarZ, I think I'm gonna try it this summer. I'm going build another Warmoth Strat and I will probably put Lollars in that guitar and the BPSSC System. The Strat I have now is a hardtail, no back plate. The Kinmans are nice, but the Lindy Fralin Twangmaster's that are in my Tele seem to be pointing me in a new direction. I'm gonna keep the Kinmans in this guitar but I want my next one to be more open sounding. I really owe aruntang for the info as I had written off the BPSSC. Jason
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Post by real oldster on Nov 4, 2006 0:19:33 GMT -7
There isn't much info about the Debugger on the EH site so I emailed them. They say more info will be available when the product is released in late Novenber. Imagine if you could plug your Strat into it and no more hum. No replacement p'ups, no shielding, no hum. Too good to be true?
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 4, 2006 7:47:41 GMT -7
I'm really interested in this pedal.
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Post by jwr on Nov 4, 2006 8:14:55 GMT -7
It would be the most popular pedal around for Strat and Tele players. Very interesting indeed.
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Post by garyh on Nov 4, 2006 15:58:02 GMT -7
Not to mention P-90 players too.
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Post by humphreyaudio on Nov 25, 2006 17:10:08 GMT -7
Installed my BPSSC system two weeks ago. I played 9 live shows since, and I refuse to switch guitars live.
I CANNOT put it down. Finally after tens of thousands of spent dollars, I have the TRUE Do-All Strat.
The quack in 2 and 4 is much better than with the Reveres wound middle pickups and there's quite a bit less low end loading up when you switch from the Bridge position to 2 or 4.
It's *THAT* Strat tone!!
I play Country, Blues, Southern, Classic, Metal, New rock, Pop, etc.., and this guitar will do it ALL!!
Total cost with pickups was a little over $300. I bought the Suhr unit at ACME guitars, and just for giggles and grins I bought a carefully selected set of #127 GFS Pickups off eBay, and later added the correct wound single coil before installing the Suhr unit..
They are also VERY impressive! I figured I'd fly them once and resale them, But they compete VERY well with anything out there in a true single coil.
The Suhr BPSSC is the real solution for sure. You win all the way around and don't have to suffer through the byproducts of the noiseless so called 'Strat' pickups.
MH
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Post by GuitarZ on Nov 25, 2006 20:14:00 GMT -7
That is very cool! Karma your way for stepping up.
After reading this I plugged in and really liked the sound of my Kinmans. Whew! I'm not ready to swap out my pickups to try it.
What I really need is another Strat to give it a go! Yea, I wonder if I can convince the wife that another Strat is required to try out the new technology! Maybe.
Enjoy that noise-free sound. It is cool to hear that it really works.
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Post by garyh on Nov 25, 2006 21:34:40 GMT -7
Hopefully soon you'll be able to give it a go on your goldtop GuitarZ. I love my Kinmans too BTW and won't be switching, but the Suhr system is a real Godsend for those who want to keep their Fralins, Lollars, etc.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 26, 2006 14:05:21 GMT -7
Installed my BPSSC system two weeks ago. I played 9 live shows since, and I refuse to switch guitars live. I CANNOT put it down. Finally after tens of thousands of spent dollars, I have the TRUE Do-All Strat. The quack in 2 and 4 is much better than with the Reveres wound middle pickups and there's quite a bit less low end loading up when you switch from the Bridge position to 2 or 4. It's *THAT* Strat tone!! I play Country, Blues, Southern, Classic, Metal, New rock, Pop, etc.., and this guitar will do it ALL!! Total cost with pickups was a little over $300. I bought the Suhr unit at ACME guitars, and just for giggles and grins I bought a carefully selected set of #127 GFS Pickups off eBay, and later added the correct wound single coil before installing the Suhr unit.. They are also VERY impressive! I figured I'd fly them once and resale them, But they compete VERY well with anything out there in a true single coil. The Suhr BPSSC is the real solution for sure. You win all the way around and don't have to suffer through the byproducts of the noiseless so called 'Strat' pickups. MH Mark, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. I'm going to do this on a Mexican Strat I bought just for this kind of thing. I wanted a Strat with the old original sparkly top end that Jimi had, but of course once I got the GFS pups in there (by the way, Mark is right about these pups) it sounds great but has that old characteristic hum or buzz we all know. After my SRZ, this is my next project.
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 26, 2006 14:28:09 GMT -7
I guess the EH Debugger pedal hasn't been released yet.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 26, 2006 15:20:02 GMT -7
I guess the EH Debugger pedal hasn't been released yet. In that case, it can do almost any marvel you can imagine.
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