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Post by guitarstan on Jun 8, 2006 15:19:36 GMT -7
I grew up playing along with record albums and then CD's. Now I rehearse with group a several times a month. In between rehearsals I sometimes jam with a couple of CD's "Band In A Pocket" both I and II, they are actually very well done and my playing has benefited from their use. I would like to get back into recording basic classic rock, country and blues. A drum machine seems like a good way to start things out. Has anyone used a drum/rhythm machine and have any thoughts on the matter? Some of the current models also have bass guitar patterns pre and post programmable. Might require a PhD tho ? Can anyone recommend a particular brand or model? Thanks!
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Post by GuitarZ on Jun 8, 2006 18:13:54 GMT -7
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Post by kruzty on Jun 8, 2006 18:28:02 GMT -7
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Post by GuitarZ on Jun 8, 2006 19:01:22 GMT -7
I'll second the Beta Monkey loops. I just picked one up too but haven't recorded anything yet.
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Post by guitarstan on Jun 9, 2006 8:34:20 GMT -7
Thanks for the suggestions! I recently acquired Sonar Producer v5 but have not done anything with it yet. I just checked the HELP menu for info on using the Drum Mapper and it looks like I will also need to get additional soft synth sound software or a midi drum machine to generate the sound. Looks like I have some homework to do but certainly a worthy pathway to travel on for a while and see what comes out of it.
Thanks again!
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Post by GuitarZ on Jun 9, 2006 18:40:34 GMT -7
Check to see if you have Session Drummer. That's the Sonar drum machine. At least it was in Sonar 1 & 3. You insert it as an effect into a midi channel. Then you insert the VSampler into an audio channel and map the midi strip's output over to the vsampler.
When I think about it, it's more complicated than just pushing 'go' on a drum machine. But, the end result is better once you figure it all out.
The loops are actually simpler. You should have gotten a few sample drum loops with Sonar. Throw them in and try them out.
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Post by guitarstan on Jun 10, 2006 5:37:20 GMT -7
I will look into that thanks for the follow-up . I see you have an old Lester, is that with buckers or P-90's? A few years ago I traded my 1970 Gold Top w/P-90's for a real nice triple soap PRS in black w/maple neck. I wish I had kept the Lester but you know how that goes . Are those Celestion Classic Lead 80's you are using, how do you like them?
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Post by GuitarZ on Jun 10, 2006 6:22:19 GMT -7
It's a P-90 Les Paul. The hum in my house has been driving me crazy. I tried the Dimarzio humbucking P-90s, but I thought they were missing something and in the end I couldn't get used to seeing the double row of poles. So, the originals are back in. I'd complain about the idiot that had a Dimarzio Super Distortion pickup inserted which resulted in the screw holes and extra routing that you see, but I'm sure I'll give my wife something to complain about today, so why complain about myself here. I've had the Les Paul for something like 30 years now. I started using the Lead 80 speaker in an open back cabinet with my Marshall. My Les Paul and Marshall seem to be a bit darker and the Lead 80 brightens it up nicely. I used that setup for a number of years. When I picked up the Maz, I checked it out with the Lead 80, but I didn't like it at all. It didn't seem to have any body and was too brash.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Jun 10, 2006 7:56:30 GMT -7
The latest offering from Boss is suppoesed to be very good. The DR880 i think?
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Post by guitarstan on Jul 1, 2006 11:15:50 GMT -7
That is a sweet guitar makes me yurn for some of my old Lester's that I sold or traded many years ago. I have a pair of Classic Lead 80's on the Buy Sell Trade thread right now hoping someone might wanna trade me out of. They were too bright for my THD BiValve so I installed Webers and Tone Tubbys and now I'm hooked for life. My 70's P-90 Gold Top was a bit noisy too and is part of the reason I decided to trade it in on the PRS which is somehow wired to reduce hum. I sure can't complain I love it more than my wife ;D, don't tell her I said that . When I think about it I have lots of gearage I love more than my wife ;D ;D. Not really, well, you know what I mean.
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 1, 2006 15:49:18 GMT -7
I'd like to have a relatively inexpensive drum machine with a decent swing and shuffle beat.
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Post by guitarstan on Jul 2, 2006 7:09:00 GMT -7
Well I decided to get an Alesis SR 16 and it is just what I needed. Virtually no learning curve ;D and very usable. At some point I want to see what SONAR can do with loops. But for now the Alesis is providing me with a foundation for practice and recording.
Thank everyone for your suggestions!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 2, 2006 12:36:27 GMT -7
My gripe with drum machines and loops is that none of them seem to have any decent modern blues rhythms unless you want a shuffle. Well I agree shuffles are important in the blues idiom, but that isn't the ONLY beat there is. I have Mick Fleetwood's loops for Acid Pro here, and virtually every loop identified as blues is a shuffle. ACK!
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Post by cementman on Jul 2, 2006 13:24:55 GMT -7
hey i yam a full member. what a deal... i had one of those roland dr 5's,,, it sounded real good through a PA, but it was hard to program... great idea from people who dont play guitar, or if they do, they dont know how to communicate it to the masses of everyday good players who want to rip. we got a real situation here. get the technology into the hands of folks who can play. i like the bootleg DVD's my cousin sends me of SRV, like live in japan and such,,, blues shuffle of course, but , who can put the timing and chops of double trouble on a box? no'ting can take the place of a real live blues drummer. and he prolly hates to set up his rig. and the bass player wants to play the guitar you are workin out with... hey benttop,,, my 6545 is a keeper... how many backup sets of quad groove tube el84s for your stingray are you into? sadly that was my only drawback to getting one of those. hah
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Post by GuitarZ on Jul 2, 2006 15:35:24 GMT -7
I too was searching for some good shuffle feel loops. I found a great shuffle CD at www.smartloops.com. You can get a whole DVD worth of shuffle loops. I bought the down loadable version. Of course, nothing is perfect. The feel is great, but when I pull in the loops with the ride cymbals, I can barely hear the cymbals. I'll probably still record a song or two with them. I now have the perfect solution. I bought a bare-bones electronic kit from my last drummer before he moved to the other coast. My perfect solution is that I'm going to play drums for myself and use the computer to fix them up. Ah yes, spoken like a true guitar player that thinks he can play drums as good as a drummer. I hope that I don't start arguing with myself about volume, feel, or too many fills.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 2, 2006 15:43:11 GMT -7
I want blues grooves that are NOT shuffles. There are lots of them, but not on any of the media I've been able to locate. Guess I'll have to build my own, note by note, in Acid Pro...
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Post by garyh on Jul 2, 2006 17:23:56 GMT -7
I use midi files for jamming/writing which I play in Cakewalk but I bought M-Audio's Drum and Bass rig (a VST plug in soft synth) which has awesome drum and bass sounds. The double basses are killer. I swear you can hear the fingers on the strings. It plays what the files tell it to play and I can program from a keyboard or guitar synth or direct on the staff in Cakewalk, same as usual, but the sounds are great....so much better than the Roland sound canvas soft synth.
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Post by tele1962 on Jul 10, 2006 12:46:17 GMT -7
Nice to see a Nova Scotian, and say hi to Ricky and Julian and Bubbles from all of us !
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 10, 2006 12:53:36 GMT -7
And everyone else in the trailer park!
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Post by garyh on Jul 10, 2006 17:34:27 GMT -7
I'll do that. They were filming just in back of the office tower where I work. I can say Hi to the guys at Diamond pedals too. They're not as funny though.
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Post by real oldster on Jul 11, 2006 5:23:59 GMT -7
I have some ancient hardware drum machines that I put into service once in a while. The Alesis works fine. One thing you can do is run it at high speed with the quantization off and program it manually. That gives you any feel you want. Playing sparsely helps and don't make it sound like the drummer has six hands. ;D
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