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Post by raja on Mar 21, 2006 11:12:30 GMT -7
I was wondering if anyone has tried a compensated nut on their guitar's? Does it work, etc. Any recommendations such as Earvana or ? Thanks in advance. Raja
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Post by dave on Mar 22, 2006 1:55:09 GMT -7
I was interested in this as well - my PRS CU 24 needs a full or partial refret and my local repair shop (Chandlers) recommend Buzz Feiten nuts which I was thinking of having fitted at he same time.
But I thought of a problem - the strobostomp has a specially tempered scale to tune up the Buzz Feiten system. What if you use two guitars, one with compensation, the other without - does that mean reprogramming the strobostomp, using two tuners, or have I got this wrong?
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Post by guitarman1 on Mar 22, 2006 7:10:31 GMT -7
I was wondering if anyone has tried a compensated nut on their guitar's? Does it work, etc. Any recommendations such as Earvana or ? Thanks in advance. Raja I had the Buzz Feiten system/bone nut installed on my homemade Strat and it really works. Every place I play on the neck is in tune. I can play now even play a perfectly tuned open G chord, and an open D chord is in tune also. Pretty remarkable. IMHO it's worth the scratch. I've heard mixed opinions on the Earvana nut, but I have no personal experience.
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Post by guitarman1 on Mar 22, 2006 7:16:14 GMT -7
I was interested in this as well - my PRS CU 24 needs a full or partial refret and my local repair shop (Chandlers) recommend Buzz Feiten nuts which I was thinking of having fitted at he same time. But I thought of a problem - the strobostomp has a specially tempered scale to tune up the Buzz Feiten system. What if you use two guitars, one with compensation, the other without - does that mean reprogramming the strobostomp, using two tuners, or have I got this wrong? You are correct Dave. I have a Strobostomp and you should set your tuner to the pre-programmed "BFE" (Buzz Feinten Electric) when tuning Feinten guitars. You then need to set it back to the normal setting for none Feiten guitars. I wouldn't call this operation "reprogramming" because its only a few button pushes on the front of the tuner to toggle back and forth between the tuner settings. This might be a pain in the a$$ during a gig if you switch guitars allot, but is pretty painless in other situations. If you want to set the intonation on a Feinten guitar, you do need to program in specific offsets and save them to memory. These offsets can be found on the Peterson forum.
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Post by raja on Mar 22, 2006 7:48:45 GMT -7
Thanks Guitarman1 for the information. Do you happen to know the cost on the Buzz Feinten system? I wish someone would market an adjustable nut similar to most bridges or sell the guitar with a compensated nut to begin with! Here's some Karma coming at ya!!
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Post by Curt on Mar 22, 2006 7:48:47 GMT -7
I need to look in to this I think........one is lower for sure ;^)
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Post by raja on Mar 22, 2006 7:53:00 GMT -7
Hey Tele62, I know the Earvana runs about $30.00, which isn't out of line.
Well, today the day isn't it Curt. It's been a long wait for that MAZ SR. I bet you'll be rattiling the windows today. Have fun!
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Post by guitarman1 on Mar 22, 2006 8:27:55 GMT -7
Thanks Guitarman1 for the information. Do you happen to know the cost on the Buzz Feinten system? I wish someone would market an adjustable nut similar to most bridges or sell the guitar with a compensated nut to begin with! Here's some Karma coming at ya!! Thanks Raja and glad to help. I had a PLEK fret job done at the same time, so my bill was was totaled for all of the work. I think Phil Jacoby (philtone.com) charges $150.00 for the Feinten bone nut & setup. Believe it or not, Wasburn sells guitars with the Feinten system. John Suhr also sells guitars with the Feinten system. Here is a close up of my Feinten nut.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 22, 2006 8:35:27 GMT -7
My strobostomp is set for BFE also. When I tune another guitar to it I just tune to notes fretted in the middle of the neck somewhere and then tweak a bit. Works fine.
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Post by rcrecelius on Mar 22, 2006 8:53:49 GMT -7
About using the Feiten tuning mode for non-Feiten equipped guitars...
I remember when the "Buzz" first came out about the Feiten system...I read an article that stated they took 1 guitar that was setup up with the Feiten system and one that was not. The article stated that the Feiten guitar tuned std A=440 sounded better than the non-Feiten guitar tuned std. They also said that the non_feiten guitar sounded better/more "in-tune" when tuned with the Feiten offsets...but of course the Feiten guitar tuned with the Feiten offsets sounded the best . I'm thinking you may be able to use the Feiten tuning mode on a non_Feiten guitar and have it actually sound more in tune than std A=440.
Does anyone else remember this article? It was probably a GP magazine.
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Post by Curt on Mar 22, 2006 9:17:22 GMT -7
I need to look in to this I think........one is lower for sure ;^) WuZ it just too early ! ?? My sick humor flew right past yawl !!!!
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Post by Curt on Mar 22, 2006 9:18:51 GMT -7
Hey Tele62, I know the Earvana runs about $30.00, which isn't out of line. Well, today the day isn't it Curt. It's been a long wait for that MAZ SR. I bet you'll be rattiling the windows today. Have fun! Thanks ! Supposed to be, He did not send track info so I'll call him in a lil while and make sure all is well.
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Post by guitarman1 on Mar 22, 2006 9:27:30 GMT -7
About using the Feiten tuning mode for non-Feiten equipped guitars... I remember when the "Buzz" first came out about the Feiten system...I read an article that stated they took 1 guitar that was setup up with the Feiten system and one that was not. The article stated that the Feiten guitar tuned std A=440 sounded better than the non-Feiten guitar tuned std. They also said that the non_feiten guitar sounded better/more "in-tune" when tuned with the Feiten offsets...but of course the Feiten guitar tuned with the Feiten offsets sounded the best . I'm thinking you may be able to use the Feiten tuning mode on a non_Feiten guitar and have it actually sound more in tune than std A=440. Does anyone else remember this article? It was probably a GP magazine. Cool. I'm going to try this with my non-Feinten Tele. Great tip and deffinately worth a Karma rcrecelius.
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Post by raja on Mar 22, 2006 9:37:25 GMT -7
Tele62, How's it hangin'. LOL, I guess it was a bit early for me.
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Post by rcrecelius on Mar 22, 2006 10:14:08 GMT -7
About using the Feiten tuning mode for non-Feiten equipped guitars... I remember when the "Buzz" first came out about the Feiten system...I read an article that stated they took 1 guitar that was setup up with the Feiten system and one that was not. The article stated that the Feiten guitar tuned std A=440 sounded better than the non-Feiten guitar tuned std. They also said that the non_feiten guitar sounded better/more "in-tune" when tuned with the Feiten offsets...but of course the Feiten guitar tuned with the Feiten offsets sounded the best . I'm thinking you may be able to use the Feiten tuning mode on a non_Feiten guitar and have it actually sound more in tune than std A=440. Does anyone else remember this article? It was probably a GP magazine. Cool. I'm going to try this with my non-Feinten Tele. Great tip and deffinately worth a Karma rcrecelius. I'll take it any way I can get it Im trying to find the Feiten intonation offsets on the Peterson website...can you point me in the right direction? I having trouble finding it...
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Post by rcrecelius on Mar 22, 2006 10:20:08 GMT -7
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Post by arthur on Apr 27, 2006 18:51:11 GMT -7
I have the Earvana on my 335. I like it. Open chords are more in tune. Why is it that the Feiten doesn't look compenstated?
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Post by bks on Apr 28, 2006 16:45:13 GMT -7
So, what's the deal if you're a Feiten guy and the rest of the band isn't? What if you're doing the Earvana thing, the other guitar player is doing the Feiten thing, your bass player has a Dingwall with that crazy splayed fret thing going on, and your keyboard player has a Rhodes that he just had serviced and is a perfect 440? Seems like a lot of effort for rock 'n' roll...
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 28, 2006 18:12:12 GMT -7
A Feitenized guitar will get along with everyone elses stuff. My Tom Anderson has it and chords do sound better all over the neck. More rich sounding and less 'beating".
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Post by RC on Apr 29, 2006 11:40:50 GMT -7
How dose a compensated nut work. I've read a few things about them but nothing ever explains what the system really is and how it works. I'm assuming it's more than a really good bone nut and special tuning. I'd appreciate it if you could shed a little light on this great mystery for me.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 29, 2006 11:42:30 GMT -7
I've always been somewhat skeptical of this whole compensation discussion. Why? Back in the '70's I worked in a music store repairing amps and guitars. One thing that I noticed is that virtually all of the Gibson flat tops couldn't be tuned - not only did they have problems getting in tune, but if you tuned so that a first position A chord sounded right, if you moved it up an octave, it sounded terrible.
But not so with any of the Martin guitars. They not only tuned up right, they played right all the way up the neck. Every chord sounded "in tune."
What I take from this is that some guitar makers already design their guitars with some form of compensation - part of their "secret formula" for making a great guitar. I've noticed over the years that there are plenty of guitars that seem to play in tune right out of the box, and plenty that don't.
So what happens if you take one of these "already designed right" guitars and try to apply a compensated nut, or the Feighton offsets? I don't know, I've never tried. And I haven't tried because what would be the point when I already have guitars that seem to play in tune all the way up the neck?
This really is a YMMV story, because I think every guitar has to be evaluated on its own tuning characteristics. If it doesn't tune right, maybe the BF system is a smart thing to do. But if it does tune right, why fiddle with it?
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 29, 2006 13:08:30 GMT -7
I can't speak about a retrofitted guitar but the Feiten system does work better. I have two Tom Anderson guitars with it and they do sound better. It's not a huge deal but there is a difference. It's not a big enough deal for me to retrofit other guitars. One part of the retrofit is moving the nut closer to the first fret.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 29, 2006 13:42:56 GMT -7
I can't speak about a retrofitted guitar but the Feiten system does work better. I have two Tom Anderson guitars with it and they do sound better. It's not a huge deal but there is a difference. It's not a big enough deal for me to retrofit other guitars. One part of the retrofit is moving the nut closer to the first fret. Exactly - move the nut. What if your guitar already has the nut closer to the first fret? How do you know if the builder did that already? I would hate to modify a guitar only to discover it didn't help, or worse, made it tune poorly. "OOPS!" doesn't seem quite to cover it in that case...
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