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Aug 18, 2011 14:35:33 GMT -7
Post by joek86 on Aug 18, 2011 14:35:33 GMT -7
Hey,
How controlable is the volume of the Z Wreck? No master...... ? I have a Maz 18 NR and use the master on 2:00 and the vol on 11:00 for gigs.....
Do you have to use an attenuator?
~Joe
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Aug 18, 2011 20:53:44 GMT -7
Post by benttop (Steve) on Aug 18, 2011 20:53:44 GMT -7
If you want to get to the saturation you'll probably need an Airbrake or Brake Lite. It's pretty loud. Unless you play that loud, in which case you need ear protection.
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Aug 19, 2011 9:10:38 GMT -7
Post by doctorice on Aug 19, 2011 9:10:38 GMT -7
Totally agree with Steve on this. When I play at home I usually have the Air Brake on 3 or 4 (the lowest non-bedroom settings) even when the volume is below noon. (Volume is seldom below 10 o'clock.)
What's interesting, to me at least, is that I don't sense that the attenuator is causing any tone sucking with the Wreck. This contrasts with some of the other Zs, such as the Monza and Z-28. To my ears both of those lose some tonal goodness at higher attenuation levels.
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Aug 21, 2011 19:41:14 GMT -7
Post by gotmojo on Aug 21, 2011 19:41:14 GMT -7
Let me say this about that! This amp sounds good at any volume. But if you wanna get the nazz, you gotta jack the volume up to 2-3:00, and by then it starts to get loud.
I've finally figured out, though, that the Air Brake makes all these amps sound nazzier when you attenuate 'em. So the key is, the more you attenuate, the lower you want the amp's volume setting to be. As you turn down the attenuation, resulting in more loudness, you have to turn up the amp's volume to get the nazz. It's that simple. As you turn the Air Brake louder, you turn the volume knob up. Louder with louder. Whatever.
jj
took me a year to actually figure this out. idiot. slow learner. but bottom line: sounded great no matter where i turned the knobs!
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Aug 22, 2011 4:55:53 GMT -7
Post by doctorice on Aug 22, 2011 4:55:53 GMT -7
^^^
Interesting observation there, jj. Stated differently "Using an attenuator affects the location on the volume knob of the various "tone zones" the amp offers. I think that statement is consistent with what you said. However, I didn't indicate a directionality -- your "louder with louder" -- so my wording may not be as apt.
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Aug 27, 2011 5:49:09 GMT -7
Post by gotmojo on Aug 27, 2011 5:49:09 GMT -7
=^). Good Doctor, I kinda liked the phrase "louder with louder". Sounded so incorrect grammar. Rhymes with chowder with chowder. I've been much happier with the sound of Braking since actually putting this concept into action, vis a vis turning the volume knob down when I brake to "other people are home" volume. Doesn't sound so much like preamp tube only overdrive like you get with most preamp/master volume amps. Very better. Like better. jj also like incorrect grammar
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Aug 27, 2011 8:05:24 GMT -7
Post by doctorice on Aug 27, 2011 8:05:24 GMT -7
Yes, jj, I dig "louder with louder." Too often hear "less is more." Not always true.
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Aug 27, 2011 12:43:53 GMT -7
Post by gotmojo on Aug 27, 2011 12:43:53 GMT -7
Perhaps true with women. :-)
jj
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Aug 27, 2011 12:44:18 GMT -7
Post by gotmojo on Aug 27, 2011 12:44:18 GMT -7
At least at my age.
jj
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Aug 27, 2011 14:14:10 GMT -7
Post by doctorice on Aug 27, 2011 14:14:10 GMT -7
I do believe I'm right up there with ya
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Oct 28, 2011 18:37:38 GMT -7
Post by JSA61 on Oct 28, 2011 18:37:38 GMT -7
Looking to buy my first DR. Z in a couple of months. I recently called the closest dealer(3hrs away) to see what models they had in stock. Wanted to try the maz 18, CG, Remedy as well as the Zwreck. Turns out all he had of these was the wreck. When I asked about it, he said " I don't know, that's a pretty hot amp, it has alot of juice". I asked about using a brake, and he said if I had to use one, I'd be wasting my time buying the Zwreck. He said the brake takes away alot of the dynamics and " squashes" the tone.
From reading alot from this forum, I might need a brake no matter what model I get. We do play some outdoor gigs, but most of the indoor stuff is in smaller venues. We always mic, no matter what the size.
Just wanted some feedback from people that own and play with a brake. Thanks.
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Oct 28, 2011 19:59:59 GMT -7
Post by DRZ on Oct 28, 2011 19:59:59 GMT -7
What is that dealers name?
DR.Z
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Oct 28, 2011 20:09:51 GMT -7
Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 28, 2011 20:09:51 GMT -7
Well I'll bet that dealer has never performed live with a Z amp equipped with any of the attenuators Dr. Z offers. I've performed with all of them, and they do NOT "squash the tone" of any of my Z amps.
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Oct 28, 2011 20:26:13 GMT -7
Post by randalp3000 on Oct 28, 2011 20:26:13 GMT -7
What is that dealers name? DR.Z O oh, someone might get a lesson in attenuators
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Oct 28, 2011 20:27:21 GMT -7
Post by JSA61 on Oct 28, 2011 20:27:21 GMT -7
What is that dealers name? DR.Z Eddie's Guitars in Stl., Mo. "Wasting my time" wasn't his exact words, but that's what I came away with. The rest, as I remember, is pretty much what he said. He did speak highly of Z amps, stated the Maz 18 would be the way to go, out of all the amps he sells, just didn't seem to want to talk about the Zwreck.
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Oct 29, 2011 5:25:55 GMT -7
Post by DRZ on Oct 29, 2011 5:25:55 GMT -7
What is that dealers name? DR.Z Eddie's Guitars in Stl., Mo. "Wasting my time" wasn't his exact words, but that's what I came away with. The rest, as I remember, is pretty much what he said. He did speak highly of Z amps, stated the Maz 18 would be the way to go, out of all the amps he sells, just didn't seem to want to talk about the Zwreck. I do support my dealers and Eddie's is a great Z dealer. It is sad that he didn't have more models in stock to make a three hour trip worth while. Reading between the lines I feel he was trying to qualify your needs. But his explination of the Air Brake wasn't true to it's designed useage. You will find that a Air Brake is very useful piece of gear when faced with a " Volume Sensitive " gig. Jeez if it's good enough for Walter Becker to use on his currant live rig to capture a toneful mic'd signal, I believe it will work for you in a small club. DR.Z
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Post by Sean on Oct 29, 2011 5:48:45 GMT -7
Dr Z I am sure you get sick of hearing it but the fact that you are here supporting existing and potential customers on a Saturday morning just amazes me still. This is the reason us little guys support a company like yours.
That being said, I am also pretty sure the dealer was trying to save OP's time and money (gas ain't cheap) with what he was saying about the wreck. Better to have a potential customer than a ticked off ex-customer....
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Oct 29, 2011 6:54:56 GMT -7
Post by JSA61 on Oct 29, 2011 6:54:56 GMT -7
Eddie's Guitars in Stl., Mo. "Wasting my time" wasn't his exact words, but that's what I came away with. The rest, as I remember, is pretty much what he said. He did speak highly of Z amps, stated the Maz 18 would be the way to go, out of all the amps he sells, just didn't seem to want to talk about the Zwreck. I do support my dealers and Eddie's is a great Z dealer. It is sad that he didn't have more models in stock to make a three hour trip worth while. Reading between the lines I feel he was trying to qualify your needs. But his explination of the Air Brake wasn't true to it's designed useage. You will find that a Air Brake is very useful piece of gear when faced with a " Volume Sensitive " gig. Jeez if it's good enough for Walter Becker to use on his currant live rig to capture a toneful mic'd signal, I believe it will work for you in a small club. DR.Z He was very helpful. I had spoke to him about the size of gigs I play. He just didn't seem to be a fan of the airbrake, and prob. felt the Zwreck might be too much for my needs. Still would like to try to see for myself. Thanks for the response.
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Nov 1, 2011 15:51:59 GMT -7
Post by doctorice on Nov 1, 2011 15:51:59 GMT -7
To my weary old ears, the Z Wreck with a Tele and the Air Brake sound just superb at a comfortable volume.
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Nov 3, 2011 10:22:36 GMT -7
Post by Beddez on Nov 3, 2011 10:22:36 GMT -7
Wreck came in today and with the Airbrake it is loud. Louder than my Vox AC30 with the same settings on the Airbrake. And the AC is a 40W amp... Got no words for the sound of the Wreck. It's amazed me. I'm not a religious guy but somewhere there has to be a God! (no offence to anybody)
Working on my profile right now :-)
Beddez
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Nov 3, 2011 18:02:36 GMT -7
Post by jammers5 on Nov 3, 2011 18:02:36 GMT -7
Way to go and enjoy the sonic bliss that is the Z Wreck!
J5
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