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Post by eggman on Aug 4, 2011 18:08:19 GMT -7
Howdy,
Would the 32 watt Route 66 be too "much" for my 30 watt Weber AlNiCo Silver Bell?
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Post by prspastor on Aug 4, 2011 19:42:32 GMT -7
Hi there, I asked a similar question about my Celestion G12H30 here recently. The short answer was that the speaker would be fine and not to worry about it. That is only true if you have a 5U4 rectifier in there. With the 5U4, it puts out about 32 watts. If you have a 5AR4 rectifier, then your speaker will possibly be in jeopardy as the Route puts out about 50 watts with the 5AR4. HTH
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 20:19:22 GMT -7
My Maz 38 w/matching 1x12 cab came stock w/the 70th Anniversary G12H30. The Maz is said to be as loud as some fender twins. I never had a problem. Got rid of the G12H30 long before I got my Route 66, but I bought a brand new Heritage G12H(55Hz) to use w/my Route just before selling the head. After a proper break in for the speaker I would crank my Route, pretty much all 3 dial between 15:00 and 17:30 hundred hrs.. Again, never had a problem. I used NOS 5v4's and NOS 5AR4's. So I know I was pushing some wattage through my speakers. YMMV.
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Post by eggman on Aug 4, 2011 20:36:19 GMT -7
Howdy,
I seem to recall reading that one generally wanted a speaker to exceed the amp's wattage by such and such an amount, but can't recall. Thanks for all the replies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 16:04:15 GMT -7
One person will tell you that the speaker needs to have 2/3 more wattage than the amp you are running it through. Or something like that. It really comes down to what you are trying to do, and what YOU want to hear. Some people want to hear some speaker distortion others don't. YMMV. You can get very technical answers if that is what you are looking for.
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Post by mmantle on Aug 5, 2011 16:08:10 GMT -7
I have a Rt 66 with the silverbell and blue dog in a 2x12 (both alnico)... I love the silver bell, it goes well with the rt... sounds great with dist. and fuzz!
Anyways, I'm moving and stripping down to a 1x12... so the silver bell is all im going to be running with my 66 aswell... I think with 5u4, we will be alright.
Anyways, Good luck.. and I seem to recall weber saying that they underate their speakers.
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Post by Jan on Aug 5, 2011 18:03:14 GMT -7
Disclaimer: I do not now and have never owned a Route 66. I want one. I desire one. I have an unhealthy attraction to owning one. I have a few bone fides (science degrees and I have blown a few too many speakers) but anything I say is anecdotal. M'kay? I would not do it. I know the great, late Ted Weber said that his ratings were conservative and anyone who owns one is pretty sure that Mike Zaite rates his amps very conservatively too. Jaye (taswegien) has gigged his Route 66 for years with a custom ~35W 12" speaker with no apparent problem. And he is using some mighty powerful tubes at that. Now, if I had a Route 66 and I had a 30W Weber AlNiCo Silver Bell which I thought was just about the best tone combination I could ever hope for, I could tell myself that since I do not use pedals and therefore I am never going to slam the front with anything other than some hot humbuckers - and I could trust myself to never dime the volume and everything else ... well, maybe. That trusting myself to not do something has broken down in the past. You may be stronger in that regard. If I had this combination begging me to join them in some tone nirvana, I just might add a 30W 10" otherwise just like the 12" I like 10" - 12" combinations. But that is just me. It is your gear. Play on.
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Post by kc on Aug 5, 2011 18:51:34 GMT -7
When I was using my 66 regularly, I ran it thru a single 16 ohm Celestion Blue, always with an Airbrake set to about 3 or 4 and the volume at about 9 o'clock. I was probably just lucky that I never blew the speaker, but that was my experience ... for about 3 years as a weekend player. Never had a problem, but I'm not suggesting you should try this.
kc
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Post by mmantle on Aug 6, 2011 7:59:44 GMT -7
I also have an airbrake that I can use if I really want to max out the amp, so I'm not too worried.
To the OP, if you really want to be covered, get a brake lite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 21:22:18 GMT -7
eggman,
In "How To Service Your Own Tube Amp", Tom Mitchell suggests a single speaker should exceed the maximum output of the amp by 25%. He further recommends that when choosing multiple speakers, choose the speakers so that the combined power handling capabilities of all the speakers together exceeds the maximum output of the amplifier by at least 50%. This will assure that the speakers will always be operating well within their safe operating temperatures.
Earlier in the same chapter he puts forth a RULE which MUST be observed when connecting speakers together. That is to make sure that ALL the speakers are IDENTICAL. Always use speakers of the same impedance, same power rating, same model number, and same manufacturer. A stock Z-Best breaks at least 2 of those rules.
I know good gear is not cheap and it should be run in a safe manner. Just don't forget to have fun. Don't be afraid to try new things either. Who knows what you might come up with.
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Post by dixiechicken on Aug 12, 2011 2:11:07 GMT -7
DC here! According to Doc:s website www.drzamps.com/amp/route_66/The Route66 is rated at 32 watts with the GZ34 rectifier = aka 5AR4 Of course I have the 2x10" convertible cab - so I have no worries Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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