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Post by Scott on Mar 16, 2011 17:37:28 GMT -7
Opinions on Les Paul 50's Style wiring... I am soon to install this kit with 50's Style Wiring... www.mojotone.com/s.nl/it.A/id.3230/.fI also went for the Mojotone Vitamin T (Oil Filled) .022uF @ 600V Caps. I've heard numerous good things about it... " When you turn the volume down on the '50s wiring, two things happen:
The value of the tone pot is a resistor paralleled across the lower portion of the volume control, so it reduces the resistance of the lower part of the volume control meaning you don't have to turn it as far to reach, say, 50%. This changes the taper of the volume control, and is why many prefer linear volume pots or the RS Superpots. It also puts less resistance in line with your cord's capacitance, so you get less "treble loss" when you turn down.
The second thing that happens is that 'resistance in line' is also in line with your tone control (since it's moved after the volume) and thus it increases the value (setting) of your tone control. As you approach '0' on the volume, it's as if you had a 500K volume pot and a 1 Meg tone control, so yes, the '50s wiring will change the tone and be brighter than the modern wiring. " In this video, at the 8:00 minute mark, Glen Kuykendall talks about the 50's wiring some. He likes the way his single channel Trainwreck reacts to the 50's wiring better, so my single channel Maz Jr. may also?? 1959 Gibson Les Paul + Trainwreck Amp tech talk w/ Glen Kuykendall What do you think about 50's style wiring?
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Post by BritInvasion on Mar 16, 2011 17:47:02 GMT -7
It's all I've ever used in my Gibsons. I never knew the theory behind it , it just worked for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 19:30:34 GMT -7
I have an adapted version of it for my Tele and I love it. I'm going to eventually do it to my SC245.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 6:22:04 GMT -7
My R-8 came with the RS Guitarworks kit wired '50's Style'. I quickly put the .001 caps on the volume controls like I do with all of my guitars. I've been playing in like that the last few weeks. The cap mod doesn't seem to work with the '50's Style' wiring. I have gigs on Friday and Sat so I'm going to remove the caps now and put a little more time into seeing what the "50's Style" wiring can do. Thanks for the vid BBP.
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Post by Corey on Mar 17, 2011 12:08:06 GMT -7
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Post by Corey on Mar 17, 2011 12:13:34 GMT -7
My R-8 came with the RS Guitarworks kit wired '50's Style'. I quickly put the .001 caps on the volume controls like I do with all of my guitars. I've been playing in like that the last few weeks. The cap mod doesn't seem to work with the '50's Style' wiring. I have gigs on Friday and Sat so I'm going to remove the caps now and put a little more time into seeing what the "50's Style" wiring can do. Eric.. I initially installed a treble bleed on my volume pot too. I thought it was an improvement. On the advice of an expert at TDPRI, I put the bleed on test leads and listened to my 50's wiring with and without the bleed. On my guitar, the bleed made no difference in tone. I left it off.
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Post by Scott on Mar 17, 2011 13:47:58 GMT -7
Thanks for all the replies guys... Love the comments. I just need my new Lollar Pickups too, then my 50's kit, and Callaham bridge all get installed. I soon, will be in the 50's wiring club too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 14:35:08 GMT -7
My R-8 came with the RS Guitarworks kit wired '50's Style'. I quickly put the .001 caps on the volume controls like I do with all of my guitars. I've been playing in like that the last few weeks. The cap mod doesn't seem to work with the '50's Style' wiring. I have gigs on Friday and Sat so I'm going to remove the caps now and put a little more time into seeing what the "50's Style" wiring can do. Eric.. I initially installed a treble bleed on my volume pot too. I thought it was an improvement. On the advice of an expert at TDPRI, I put the bleed on test leads and listened to my 50's wiring with and without the bleed. On my guitar, the bleed made no difference in tone. I left it off. I took the treble bleed caps off this morning and did some playing. 50's Wiring seems to yield some interesting tones. Like the video above it sounds best to my ear when the volume and the tone are both rolled back about the same. I really have to see how it works on the gig. I'm not sure that I can mess w the knobs that much when I'm playing.
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Post by Scott on Mar 19, 2011 15:17:50 GMT -7
Reading your thread, it makes me wonder if I should remove the treble bleed off of my pre-wired MojoTone kit. Hmmmm... They call it the Volume Mod. We are talking about the same thing correct? www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/Guitar-Capacitors/Volume-Mod-for-Guitars" This is simply a 220K resistor in parallel with a 471pf capacitor. We use them on our pre-wired guitar assemblies to preserve high end frequencies and improve the taper when rolling back your volume potentiometer. The volume mods are soldered in parallel between the first and second lugs (2 open lugs) of the volume pot."
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Post by hymns on Mar 19, 2011 15:45:12 GMT -7
I just bought a harness off of TGP from a guy that prewires them on the side.I got RS pots for volume and spraque caps and 50's wired.It came as a very professional job.It cost 90 bucks and I'm installing on my 70'sLP.I'm also installing a ground wire to my bridge that Gibson left off.Should have done that 41 years ago.
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Post by Scott on Mar 19, 2011 16:14:24 GMT -7
How does that ground wire attach to the bridge?
I have a bridge grounding wire on my Les Paul, and soon will be installing a new bridge, and mounting studs.
I find myself wondering if that wire is attached to one of the bridge mounting studs...
And I wanted to install my pre-made kit myself, and solder the bridge grounding wire to the back of a pot.
But the bridge will be installed shortly after, by a pro.
When he installs my new bridge, would it be a negative thing to already have my bridge grounding wire attached to the back of a pot?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 16:31:47 GMT -7
Reading your thread, it makes me wonder if I should remove the treble bleed off of my pre-wired MojoTone kit. Hmmmm... They call it the Volume Mod. We are talking about the same thing correct? www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/Guitar-Capacitors/Volume-Mod-for-Guitars" This is simply a 220K resistor in parallel with a 471pf capacitor. We use them on our pre-wired guitar assemblies to preserve high end frequencies and improve the taper when rolling back your volume potentiometer. The volume mods are soldered in parallel between the first and second lugs (2 open lugs) of the volume pot." Do you know if the "Volume Kit" actually works with "50's Style" on a Gibson? My regular .001 cap only Volume kit worked on the treble pickup but didn't work on the neck. "50's" is a rather wild, inter-dependant setup.
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Post by hymns on Mar 19, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -7
Mine was suppose to be attached to the stud.It is going to have to be pulled and soldered.I'm letting a friend with a little more experence do that for me.I hope he puts the harness in for me.I got a wired lollar dirty blackface pick guard setup the other day and soldering it in I noticed that I am getting shakey doing small things like that now.As a matter of fact I will call him now and see if he will do that for me.I believe I would end up with some nice cold soldered joints and they will look like bubblegum.Oh yea I was lucky that the hole was pre drilled for the ground or there would be a problem.
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Post by Scott on Mar 19, 2011 16:54:50 GMT -7
So it does attach to a stud...
Wonder when they pull out the old stud, how the wire deals with that.
Bet you would need to have the other end un-soldered from the pot.
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Post by Corey on Mar 19, 2011 20:40:16 GMT -7
..lots of action in this thread Scott.. I haven't looked here for a couple of days.
So, if you read my "Late Night Mod Session" thread (linked above).. I tried that wiring with and without the "Volume Mod"/"Treble Bleed". In my Esquire, the bleed did NOTHING.. so I left it off.
I'll open my control cavity and snap a pick, just for reference.. it's an ultra simple affair. Pickup > Vol Pot > .010µf Orange Drop > Tone Pot > Jack...
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Post by Corey on Mar 19, 2011 20:43:46 GMT -7
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Post by hymns on Mar 19, 2011 21:28:40 GMT -7
I called my tech friend and he said he will do it all for me.I imagine you could put a new wire and solder it to the stud cause when the stud is out is when you will have access to solder to the stud and then pull the wire back thru when setting the stud.Then solder to pot.Like I said I sure was glad to see that grd. hole already drilled.Hope you have no trouble with your guitar and I hope mine will go smooth.He said he might do it tomorrow cause he needs a LP to play.
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Post by Scott on Mar 20, 2011 3:18:27 GMT -7
Thanks for the posts guys... Well, if the mod didn't make any big change, I'll probably just leave them attached to my pre-wired kit. If I find I don't like the sound for some reason, they will then be removed. (If I put my new pots in, I won't solder the bridge wire until after my new bridge install.) Thanks for the info.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 12:30:23 GMT -7
After 2 nights of gigs on the straight "50's Wiring" (w no treble bleed) I decided to return to "Modern". I couldn't get the Clean to Crunch variations that I'm used getting from the guitar (modern wired w .001 cap on Volume) on the gig.
"50's Wiring" has some very cool tones. If I get a 2nd Humbucker LP to leave at the studio I'll probably have it set up that way.
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Post by Scott on Mar 21, 2011 7:40:32 GMT -7
Mine was suppose to be attached to the stud.It is going to have to be pulled and soldered.I'm letting a friend with a little more experence do that for me.I hope he puts the harness in for me.I got a wired lollar dirty blackface pick guard setup the other day and soldering it in I noticed that I am getting shakey doing small things like that now.As a matter of fact I will call him now and see if he will do that for me.I believe I would end up with some nice cold soldered joints and they will look like bubblegum.Oh yea I was lucky that the hole was pre drilled for the ground or there would be a problem.
hymns Just for our information, I now believe the 'cough' 'cough' Bridge grounding wire is only attached to the tailpiece! If so, I have already had my tailpiece replaced by a pro, so that might already have been done in my guitar? Looking at the second picture: www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/50210-gibson-les-paul-101-a.htmlIt appears to me the wire only goes to the tailpiece. I would love to get this confirmed. ;D
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