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Post by "Z" Steve on Jan 27, 2011 11:51:19 GMT -7
I have a Z28, Maz 18NR, and an RX Jr. As far as speakers my 12's are pretty much covered (for now :  and I have an older rectangular style Z 2x10 open back. After reading thru most of the 2x10 posts I am wanting to pick up two more 10's to either swap out as wanted or mix up with the Docs for a blend. So, I have it narrowed down to 2 Ragin Cajuns or 1 Cajun and 1 Ramrod - both being very similar to the Docs speaker I'm guessing and would all match well together. My second choice are the Weber 30 watt Alnico Silver & Blue Pups - 1 of each or 2 Blues. Less efficient and completely different tone - but that's my question. Go with the completely different, or would the Eminence bring enough tonal difference to the table that it would be worth it. My playing is both lead and rhythm, single coil & humbucker, and rock, country & some jazz and not extremely loud. Thanks for your suggestions, Steve  |
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Post by jayb on Jan 27, 2011 12:27:17 GMT -7
I really like the Weber silver 10 I use with my Ghia (it's paired with a 10F150) but I have run just that speaker before and it sounds great. Not a lot of headroom on it so it depends on what you are going for and the venues you play. And with the silver cranked up it's an in your face tone, really cuts, in a good way.
I think the ramrods would give you little more usable headroom.
Basically if you play with your amps volume cranked up and want to play full chords, go with a higher headroom speaker, if you want more speaker breakup, do some leads and play partial chords, the alnicos may be for you.
Personally, I might consider a ramrod and silver 10. Good mix but again, not as much headroom.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Jan 27, 2011 14:58:33 GMT -7
I really like my Weber AlNiCo Silver 10s. Wonderful speakers. I have a set of Weber AlNiCo Blue Pups also. I don't like them as well, but I think it has to do w/ them having no dope. They don't hold up as well as the doped Silvers at high volume or distortion. They tend to flub a little.
Another option that would give you better headroom than the Webers would be the Celestion AlNiCo Gold 10". They're supposed to sound just like the 12" Golds, and the 12" Golds sound pretty amazing to my ears.
Celestion also has the 10" versions of the Vin 30 and the Greenback if you want something in ceramic.
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Post by teleric on Jan 27, 2011 22:02:08 GMT -7
A bit pricey, but don't overlook the celestion alnico gold 10". I've tried a few 10's and the celestion gold blew me away for a 10".
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Post by timford on Jan 28, 2011 2:51:14 GMT -7
Golds would be less efficient, and the greens are less again (98 and 95db respectively), but I'd imagine the gold would be a great match with the z10. 2 golds are beautiful. I like 2 greens, and even more, the combination of a green and a gold. Even though the gold comes through as the dominant speaker, the green fills in some of the blanks in the background very nicely. From what I've heard so far I really like the combination of ceramic and alnico. It would be interesting to hear the ceramic being the dominant speaker.
No experience with the eminence speakers. I've got a weber alnico blue in a 15 with pre rola dope (at teds recommendation) and that is a nice speaker too. Would like to try their 10s one day.
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Post by Liquids on Jan 28, 2011 8:28:02 GMT -7
For something completely different - don't miss out on the eminence legend 105 speakers (1058 & 10516). The classic American tone, emience quality, high wattage handling - could be a great mix. The speakers you're mentioning are pretty dark by comparison. Emience come across as 'mass produced' compared to weber, but they're made in the USA and know what they doing, and they don't cheap out on their own line of speakers, though plenty of penny pinching companies that turn to eminence for their 'emience special design' speakers seem to, if you know what I mean...<cough>..fender..<cough>
Be sure to a/b the eminence sound samples! Great resource if you compare speakers phrase by phrase under clean/overdrive/heavy, etc.
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Post by Bluer Blue on Jan 28, 2011 22:54:17 GMT -7
2x10 golds for my ghia are killer!
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Post by rightsaidted on Jan 31, 2011 4:50:42 GMT -7
Golds would be less efficient, and the greens are less again (98 and 95db respectively), but I'd imagine the gold would be a great match with the z10. 2 golds are beautiful. I like 2 greens, and even more, the combination of a green and a gold. Even though the gold comes through as the dominant speaker, the green fills in some of the blanks in the background very nicely. From what I've heard so far I really like the combination of ceramic and alnico. It would be interesting to hear the ceramic being the dominant speaker. No experience with the eminence speakers. I've got a weber alnico blue in a 15 with pre rola dope (at teds recommendation) and that is a nice speaker too. Would like to try their 10s one day. +1 on the gold/ceramic mix Hi, I have mixed an Alnico Celestion gold 10 with a ceramic g10 vintage in a home made mahogany 2 x 10 cab with superb results. Nice mix of smooth top end and full bottom. 98 +97 dBb mixes well with neither dominant. Heritage 535 into Ghia at full tilt into this cab is as good as I've heard anywhere IMHO! Infinite variety of tones manipulating your guitar controls and pick attack. Cheers. |
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Post by Christopher on Jan 31, 2011 6:45:06 GMT -7
How heavy is that cab? I'm sure it's visually and audibly stunning but that mahogany has some weight to it doesn't it?
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Post by rightsaidted on Jan 31, 2011 12:43:27 GMT -7
Hi,
I haven't ever weighed it but, yes, heavy. I will stick it on the scales sometime and post. Edit - just did - 41.5 lbs!
I think the weight is a price worth paying because of; - the tone, the aesthetics, the fact that it saved me £300.00 sterling on the competition, I picked the speakers, hand cut the joints and everytime I look at and hear it I get a bit of satisfaction that I made it myself and it turned out well. You get back what you put in, I think!
18 mm African sapele, 18 mm Baltic birch ply baffle , 25 x 20 x 11.5 inches, semi open back.
Cheers. Heres a pic-
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Post by rightsaidted on Jan 31, 2011 12:45:23 GMT -7
Hi, Round the back. Cheers
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Post by surfhard on Jan 31, 2011 16:11:56 GMT -7
I've got a Ramrod and a Ragin Cajun in an extra 2 x10 combo cab right now. I'm running a Maz 18 Jr with reverb through it and to me is sounds pretty good. Even though the Ramrod is from the Redcoat series, the combination has an american/fender type tone. A fair bit louder than the Doc's 10s but similar in tone to me. I like the way the high end is slightly rolled off.
I'm interested in the Weber alnico blue pup/silver 10 combination for a different flavor.
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Post by big ( Al Z. ) on Feb 1, 2011 11:59:35 GMT -7
To me the RC has a very rock and roll sound and is very efficient. So if you're not a loud player you'll be reducing the volume on the amp. I'd go with the Webers.
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Post by Christopher on Feb 1, 2011 14:57:36 GMT -7
That's a handsome cab despite the weight. It's actually about the same weight as my 1x12 with the '28 chassis inside. Thanks for the pic.
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Post by zdogma on Feb 4, 2011 6:18:13 GMT -7
I have the 20 watt alnico silver and blues in my 210 and they are my favorite 10's hands down. Excellent with both the Z28 and Maz 18. Nice vintage rock and blues sound, but you might not choose them if you need clean headroom.
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Post by markT on Feb 5, 2011 18:24:56 GMT -7
While I've tried the Doc's 10's in my first Z amp, a Carmen Ghia. Great speakers! And a Z Red Fang in the Ghia I have now. Another fine speaker!...The Tone Tubby AlNiCo 10 is my fave. It's a little smoother, warmer and a bit bigger bottom. I was just playing through it and I love that little amp!! |
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Post by pvfan on Feb 12, 2011 1:08:14 GMT -7
got a Gold 10 today. Me likey. Old school thrum. Sounds like a vinyl record from 1962 played with a $10,000 stylus into some gnarly car stereo. I don't know what I'm sayin. Sounding dang purty tho I'll tell you what. I was just discovering how it shines at low volumes with subtle scintillations. Earlier it handled a dimed Route 66 by itself without flubbing.
old sounding, with a smooth congestion, but with a tighter, slightly modern butt that doesn't sacrifice the vintage chortle
that's my take after it arrived a few hours ago. Pairs phenomenally, I think, with my G12H. If I were filling a 210 I'd try blending it with a greenie, fer-sher.
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 12, 2011 13:23:39 GMT -7
While I've tried the Doc's 10's in my first Z amp, a Carmen Ghia. Great speakers! And a Z Red Fang in the Ghia I have now. Another fine speaker!...The Tone Tubby AlNiCo 10 is my fave. It's a little smoother, warmer and a bit bigger bottom. I was just playing through it and I love that little amp!! I just put a ceramic 40/40 TT in my Musicman 110RD50. That is one great speaker!!! |
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Apr 13, 2011 13:52:56 GMT -7
I have used Both The Cajuns and the Ramrods Both very Good, The Redfang 10"" is AMAZING! I'm currently running in my 67' Super Reverb. You can't go wrong with any of those, ;D
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and I have an older rectangular style Z 2x10 open back. After reading thru most of the 2x10 posts I am wanting to pick up two more 10's to either swap out as wanted or mix up with the Docs for a blend.
