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Post by pvfan on Jan 15, 2011 14:27:33 GMT -7
title says it all if you want to skip the below gargantuan geek gush what led me to Z amps in the first place was the search for a pedal platform in an attempt to get more modular & have a better volume::size/weight ratio than what I had with various and sundry half-stacks, and the result was the following recipe for hugeness at any volume: plimsoul + 66 + swamp thang Made by Eminence, the Swamp Thang is a very sensitive speaker with 150 watts of handling. It can handle a dimed 5150, or 30 db of Fulltone Plimsoul channeled (slammed) into the bass gain half of the 66's front, or, screw it, with all of the 66's knobs dimed. I can get that cavernously low doom sound that metal players like, but with as much cut or sag as I want. Or that shovel-dragged-on-cement "djentiness" that the sludge players like -- ya know, anything "hard" like that -- and still have soft flutey lead notes, and timbre-versatility from the guitar knobs. anyway, I'd like to go to the other end of the spectrum, opposite what the Swamp Thang is all about and pick another single speaker, approximately 35 watts, before perhaps trying many others and eventually getting a Z-Best 212 with the V30/H30 config, which as I understand it is the Holy Grail of speaker cabs for the 66. But before a Z-Best 212, *this* time I am picking a single speaker to exploit as much as possible, and sooner or "earlier" on the knobs, the breakup / drive / dirt / crunch / grunt / distortion / saturation / etc. / yadda of the Route 66 amp itself. So, I want to exploit the 66's breakup character. This ain't for "cleans". Not a "neutral" tone, a la for a clean platform. I've got the Swamp Thang for that, sorta, if anyone understands the drivel I wrote above. Now, the recipe would change from this plimsoul + 66 + swamp thang to this 66 + Air Brake sometimes + single speaker you pick in this thread so, 30-35 watts or so, for maximum workout and speaker excursion etc. It will sit in a partly-open back 112 cube so it can breathe and move and disperse. I am targeting that much power handling because I want the speaker to work really, really hard. And I am experimenting with the sounds of single speakers for a long list of reasons pertaining to mad science. Thanks much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 15:05:42 GMT -7
I've heard that Mike Zaite prefers the 4x10 w/the Route. Hope I'm not putting words in his mouth. I've seen several posts attesting to this though.
The Z-best is the best with any speaker config you may desire.
Doc loads most of his 1x12s w/the 70th Anniversary G12H-30. A lot of people seem to like that speaker. My 1x12 Z cab came loaded with one when I got it w/ my Maz38.
Just recently I installed the Heritage G12H. Its said to have more highs, more lows than the 70 Anniversary speaker. I like it in my !x12. It replaced a Celestion G12-65 which replaced an Eminence Private Jack.
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Post by smolder on Jan 18, 2011 7:14:10 GMT -7
In order of preference; EV (10, 12, 15... Does not matter), celestial gold.
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Post by prowler on Jan 18, 2011 12:21:44 GMT -7
Since the 66 puts out 32 watts you'll be on the precipice of frying a 35 watt speaker. My recommendation is to go with at least 60-70 watts for the total power handling.
The 66 is a thick sounding amp so I'd go with something which has an even midrange response. The Scumback H55 rated for 65 watts would be my first choice.
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Post by jb on Jan 18, 2011 18:41:57 GMT -7
I like the G12H30 with the Rt. Great low and high end.
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Post by Lonny Caughron on Jan 18, 2011 18:48:12 GMT -7
Prefer the gold with mine. The 10" red fang sounds great also
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Post by pvfan on Jan 29, 2011 21:49:52 GMT -7
I like the G12H30 with the Rt. Great low and high end. thanks; the G12H30 (Hellatone 30 in an Avatar 112) I ordered last week will get here any day! and ... Prefer the gold with mine. The 10" red fang sounds great also I'm also getting a 10" C Gold in a 110. (RF 10 is also-also on its way, but, inside a Monza .... ) I think those 2 (Gold 10 + H30) will be super with my R 66, honey children. Either by themselves or together. Together, I can run the 66 at 4 ohms since they are each 8 ohm cabs, and it will be a good blend of the following things: - a 10" and a 12"
- a ceramic and an alnico
- a 40 watt and a 30 watt
- a middy and a scooped
Now, it's your obligation to sit there and envy my mad science, so get crackin. I will surely tell you all about the results ....
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Post by taswegian on Jan 30, 2011 1:21:43 GMT -7
I have the stock Z best but also have an Ulbrick 1-12 with a custom made celestian V-35 speaker which is basically a 35 watt greenback. It works great for earlier breakup and I love the tone. I'm a big fan of the greenback flavour with the Route 66 so my suggestion would be maybe one of the Weber speakers at the right wattage with the greenie flavour. I also like Doc001's suggestion of the Heritage G12H30 too. I haven't heard one with a 66 but I'd think that combination would be great.
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Post by pvfan on Jan 30, 2011 16:02:56 GMT -7
I have the stock Z best but also have an Ulbrick 1-12 with a custom made celestian V-35 speaker which is basically a 35 watt greenback. It works great for earlier breakup and I love the tone. I'm a big fan of the greenback flavour with the Route 66 so my suggestion would be maybe one of the Weber speakers at the right wattage with the greenie flavour. I also like Doc001's suggestion of the Heritage G12H30 too. I haven't heard one with a 66 but I'd think that combination would be great. thought about Webers. I think I'd have to know a lot more about speakers before I get a custom shop to make me a speaker. I'd keep em on the phone with me for a month before I bought anything. V-35 sounds ideal. Are they available to mere mortals?
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Post by taswegian on Feb 5, 2011 3:02:53 GMT -7
The speaker was custom made for Ulbrick which is an Australian company and only available in his cabs. I would think with our (Australia) dollar being so strong and the shipping, they would be too expensive. Great cab and speaker though. i love mine.
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Post by mmantle on Feb 5, 2011 7:24:23 GMT -7
Tas., How much are those ulbrick cabs? I can't find pricing on their website.
I sent you a PM.
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Post by troutstrat on Feb 5, 2011 18:24:02 GMT -7
You gotta try a Z-410 with the Route 66!
In the Z-Best - Weber 1265 something or others.
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Post by pvfan on Feb 11, 2011 1:31:31 GMT -7
Welly well-well, well, my droogies.
Got me that G12H30 that was Hellatone'd (broken in a good bit) by Mr. Avatar man. Liked it right away, knew it was a great match and definitely what I was trying to do. I got a nice drop in volume, going from a 102 db Swamp Thang to this one, which is great! I can crank those 3 knobs, and honestly it's not *that* bloody loud, I don't think, not even with the Z watts, not as loud as everyone complains. However, with the 66 into the Thang, you could play unmic'd on the moon and folks will still hear your nuance from the back row at the Fillmore in mammoth long-thrown proportions.
Pretty happy. It's not as loud as the Thang, nor as wide and expansive in the lows, but it sounds and feels like what I wanted, and nothin's buggin' me. Closer than ever! And if I ever get another 5150 or I want those cavernous Grand Canyon lows I got the thang from the swamp. And I have a Gold 10 on the way for this amp, too. More to tell, more to come.
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Post by pvfan on Feb 11, 2011 22:00:58 GMT -7
oy! My Gold 10 got here today. Still has some break-in woof & sizzle to punish away but already I love it. It's a babbling brook fed by the 66's cool clear water. A little ascending run around the 10th position a few minutes ago? It was an airy little thing that sounded like it came out of the past, as if each note had been eating poppies or some kind of mushroom. But I must say, the G12H I got the other day is straight gorgeous. It seems to mimic the "alnico swirl", or am I crazy?
Both speakers together, plugged straight in with the 66 dimed just now, the 10" on top of the 12"?
Rulin'.
So much texture to play with. Using the speakers separately, or blending them together. I'm lost, with a stupid grin. Maybe later I will be able to use some better poetry, but I don't have any good expressions to put into words yet!
I bet each of these new speakers will also work well with my Ghia-Blue and incoming Monza-RF, don't you agree? Well, just wanted to share.
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Post by pvfan on Feb 12, 2011 12:25:40 GMT -7
the Gold is definitely more of an old school buttercup - gonna try it with my Ghia today!
out of all the speaker combinations with the 66, I am digging the G12H by itself the most, wow! I'm gonna have to try it with my Ghia today, too.
how come I didn't start hearing about the G12H until I started hearing about Zs? hmm ...
mad science overload - hard to be scientific about it when everything sounds so GOOD.
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Post by pvfan on Feb 12, 2011 13:46:23 GMT -7
the Gold is definitely more of an old school buttercup - gonna try it with my Ghia today! out of all the speaker combinations with the 66, I am digging the G12H by itself the most, wow! I'm gonna have to try it with my Ghia today, too... ha ha whatever. Every time I dial up perfection with the G12H and then add the Gold 10 just to see, my shorts get full of bricks. No way I'm getting to Ghia with these speakers today. Really glad I picked these two. I'm a goner over here. Tone overdose. Whole new things. K bye.
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Post by pvfan on Feb 14, 2011 23:28:53 GMT -7
much as I love how the Gold translates the bass gain of a 66, the G12H is INSANE yo.
at this time, it is the answer to this thread. What a perfect match. As good as the Gold and G12H sound together, which is incredibly good, I enjoy them by themselves with the 66 better, because they are working harder. Especially the G12H(eavy)30. As a bonus, that one is in a cab that matches the amp!!! Red tolex, salt & pepper silver weave, white piping, chrome hardware. It's my new half-stack.
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Post by westcoast on Feb 15, 2011 19:37:55 GMT -7
Sounds good to me.... I'm wrestling with which speaker I'm going to get for my Route 66 as well... I have the 2/10 z convertible going, which i like a lot, but feel that a 12 is in order here. Right now, it's between the G12H and the G12 65 which i hear great things about... oh the problems we have...
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Post by pvfan on Feb 20, 2011 15:37:27 GMT -7
but ...
today that Gold 10 is killing the G12H. Mellower, smoother, not as loud, breaks up sooner. When playing straight in, no pedals & also with Plimsoul heating up the front, or smashing it. I usually use Plimsoul with everything on the pedal at about 9 o'clock, but sometimes I drop all the distortion and up the level and hi-cut for a great boost. With the 66's knobs all on about 2:45 to 3 o'clock that Gold 10 has some great breakup -- but that's the limit. After that it gets butt-flappy a little, but I can't tell if that's the Avatar cab or the speaker needing a bit more break-in.
The G12H is MUCH harder for me to dial in with my 66 and does not break up as soon. So, the Gold 10 has been getting more play. I usually end up just switching from the G12H to the Gold rather than adding it because I lose half my breakup and essentially double my apparent volume when I use both.
At least I have a bunch of options laying around.
But I think I've flip-flopped man; that 10" Celestion Gold and the Route 66 tone stack like each other so much I had to turn the garden hose on 'em.
Gold 10 wins.
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