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Post by James on Aug 2, 2006 8:23:25 GMT -7
Whats the besy way to run overdrives and fuzzes in regards to amp volume? I usually try and get the cleanest signal I can and then run my Od's from there. I find when I play live, however, that thing sound a lil' mushy. I was thinking maybe my amp volume needs to be way up to make those OD'd sound better Any thoughts Also, should the amp already be "drivin'" pretty hard when you kick in some OD? Thanks!
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Post by kruzty on Aug 2, 2006 8:32:44 GMT -7
Two things:
1) I find that I don't like my pedals as well on a non-master volume amps (like the Ghia). Maybe I just need to change some settings, but since I usually gig with my Maz Jr, I don't want to mess with them.
2) I like to run my amps just to the edge of breakup and I think ODs work well that way (as opposed to super clean).
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Post by James on Aug 2, 2006 8:53:36 GMT -7
Thats what I was thinking.............so, on the maz you run the volume at around 2 or 3 and the master down enough as needed to get some grind?
My '66 is non master and I find I like to give it some clean boost only, so I agree with that observation.
thx
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Post by James on Aug 2, 2006 8:54:53 GMT -7
BTW Kruzty, you need way more karma for as helpful as you are on this forum! +1
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Post by James on Aug 2, 2006 8:55:54 GMT -7
well.......my karma button is gone? I O U
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Post by rcrecelius on Aug 2, 2006 9:20:15 GMT -7
BTW Kruzty, you need way more karma for as helpful as you are on this forum! +1 I agree +1
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Post by kruzty on Aug 2, 2006 9:51:19 GMT -7
Thats what I was thinking.............so, on the maz you run the volume at around 2 or 3 and the master down enough as needed to get some grind? My '66 is non master and I find I like to give it some clean boost only, so I agree with that observation. thx I use the high input with the volume around 10 or 11 o'clock and run the master as high as I can get away with (usually not much - less than 9 o'clock). Maybe my "edge of breakup" is different than yours
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Post by kruzty on Aug 2, 2006 9:52:09 GMT -7
BTW Kruzty, you need way more karma for as helpful as you are on this forum! +1 I agree +1 Hey - thanks! By the way, rcrecelius, I think I lost you as a friend on myspace - did you change profiles?
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Post by rcrecelius on Aug 2, 2006 10:16:12 GMT -7
Hey - thanks! By the way, rcrecelius, I think I lost you as a friend on myspace - did you change profiles? yes...I changed to an Artist profile so I could have the 4 song player. See my signature...I tried to send everyone a message before I killed the old one but myspace was screwed up while I was doing it so you probably didnt get the message.
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Post by Telemanic on Aug 2, 2006 11:33:30 GMT -7
James, ive also found that it seems to vary from overdrive to overdrive. Ive got some that sound RIGHT with only a clean amp, and others that sound Wrong and visa versa. I hate it but ive gotten to having to accept that certain pedals that i love, will not jive with certain amps, and pair them accordingly. I agree with ya, tho, i am always fighting mushing down live. Everytime i think ive got a winning combo, i hit the stage, and its like, ....... damn !! It sounded great at home/practice! I'm trying to adjust and develope my ear so i can listen for certain qualities, .... the ones that tranlate live, and hear them at home. But its proving to be difficult, ... at least for me. On stage, i seek mondo dynamics, AND enough gain to suit, with just the perfect amount of compression, (* important *). I've found that what produces this on stage, is often unfriendly at home. IE. sometimes it sounds brittle, or stiff, and lacking touch sensitivity, at home studio or practice levels, but in the heat of battle, its those very qualities that alow me to cut and stay articulate, with much less compression than i thought would sound good. For me, tho the trick is finding the right amount of gain, and limiting the compression, until i want it. Then balance it all with the volume!
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Post by guitarman1 on Aug 2, 2006 13:24:41 GMT -7
I agree telemaniac. Some pedals sound golden in one amp, but sound like sh%$t in another. I've found this to be true even between different models from the same manufacturer. I had a few OD pedals that sounded great with my Maz Sr., but not so great with my Stingray and visa versa. There's often allot of experimentation and trial-and-error involved to find that magic combination.
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Post by jwr on Aug 2, 2006 13:35:08 GMT -7
The Xotic BB and the Maz SR 38 are a match made in heaven. Especially through a closed back cab. IMO Jason
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Post by steveinnashville on Aug 2, 2006 16:54:24 GMT -7
Everything sounds better louder. That way if it sounds good, the goodness is increased as you turn up the volume... Seriously, though, I use booster pedals and to my ears, the best an amp sounds for overdrive is when the amp is turned up and just starting to break up and you kick in a boost. It won't sound the same at bedroom volumes, but that's just practicing (and where the LovePedal 1/2 watt amp comes it).... I want it to sound the best at stage volume/rehearsal... Of course, this has led to me using a Carmen Ghia and a 1980 Fender Champ II, both 18w amps, so I can turn them up a bit (the Ghia is class A and the wattage isn't directly comparable to the wattage of a class A/B amp like the Fender- it is MUCH louder, but I run the Fender with the power amp turned up some and through a Leslie cabinet with an 85w speaker that has a HUGE magnet, so it handles)
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Post by Telemanic on Aug 2, 2006 18:31:46 GMT -7
Ah yes, ................ many different ways to skin a cat indeed !!
Ive got my Lovepedal Eternity, hand picked by Sean and by his words, "smokin". And it does indeed smoke, in my black F. Vibrolux. But in My 66, ........man, i dunno, its just not quite there. Ya know whats crazy, I cant find ANYTHING, that beats my "old", (not re-issue), Dod 250 overdrive in that amp. Rediculously subjective, but all these boutique pedals, and this crapy old two knobber takes em on one by one. Its does for me, in the 66, exactly what we're talkin about here. Go figure!
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Post by jwr on Aug 3, 2006 6:02:40 GMT -7
It's funny isn't it? That set up could sound amazing in your hands, but in someone else's hands..........
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Post by Telemanic on Aug 3, 2006 15:29:41 GMT -7
Well said, .... that brings a whole other set of variables into play, dont it? Exactly why i always hesitate to rave or even recommend something like an overdrive etc. There's just about a gazillion variables when ya factor everything in. Remove or change enough of em, and someone else is left goin, ......... ??, this thing S@cks !!
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Post by jwr on Aug 3, 2006 16:51:29 GMT -7
That's true, maybe I shouldn't have said anything about the BB. Well, to try and help answer the origional question, maybe set the amp for a slight break up and see what happens. If your referring to your Maz SR NR try turning the master all the way up, and use the volume knob as the master volume. Be careful, the amp will get loud FAST, but it's a beautiful clean sound and pedals sound good that way too. Jason
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