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Post by drew on Jun 10, 2006 8:09:14 GMT -7
I've overcome the fear of being banished from the forum and have to admit that I've a really really old and tatered ProCo Rat which I really like and had to put back on the pedalboard. I'd just revamped the boards OD pedals. But I really missed the Rat for it's compressed singing and pinch harmonic freindly tones. I just can't seem to leave it off the board.
Does anyone know if the old ProCo Rat has a true bypass? It has a mini sub 9v power adapter plug, not the Boss cannon type. I don't seem to notice a degredation when inserted into the path.
Thanks, Drew
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 10, 2006 8:28:35 GMT -7
Jeff Beck's favorite pedal, ain't it? Not bad company to be in if you axe me. Keeley does some good mods to those. The clips sound good on his site.
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Post by drew on Jun 10, 2006 8:29:16 GMT -7
BTW: Here's the a Pic of tatered RAT
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Post by drew on Jun 10, 2006 8:34:05 GMT -7
Wow?!? If it's good 'nuf for Jeff it's good enough for me.
Thanks Billyguitar... Congrats on the 2000+!!!
Drew
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Post by rcrecelius on Jun 10, 2006 9:04:32 GMT -7
Drew, How do you like the RT-20?
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Post by Bill on Jun 10, 2006 9:21:45 GMT -7
I'm using a Keeley RAT, although my gain knob is not set near as high as yours. It actually replaced a Zendrive , and I'm quite happy with it. Jeff Beck, huh? A local "legend" told me about it and I thought, "what the heck, I'll give 'er a try"...it's been on the board for at least a dozen gigs.
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Post by drew on Jun 10, 2006 9:23:27 GMT -7
Hey Ronnie, I really like it!! Thank You. I'm getting a lot of use out of it most of the time for a slight OD and boost. It seems to have this natural compression effect when pushing the clean setting, maybe it's just loading up the Maz 38 preamp?
BTW: I'm still gas'in for a Z28 and checked your clips again. The tones your getting are right up my ally and your playing is excellent +++. Overplaying live... me thinks not, keep it up! Nice harmony leads wiskey river and then when you step out Yikes!
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Post by rcrecelius on Jun 10, 2006 15:12:21 GMT -7
Hey Ronnie, I really like it!! Thank You. I'm getting a lot of use out of it most of the time for a slight OD and boost. It seems to have this natural compression effect when pushing the clean setting, maybe it's just loading up the Maz 38 preamp? BTW: I'm still gas'in for a Z28 and checked your clips again. The tones your getting are right up my ally and your playing is excellent +++. Overplaying live... me thinks not, keep it up! Nice harmony leads wiskey river and then when you step out Yikes! ...wait a minute...you thought I was asking about the SD...I thought those pencil marks looked familiar! How bout that Bass Rotary Ensemble...Ive looked at those but never played one.
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Post by real oldster on Jun 11, 2006 8:29:34 GMT -7
No need to be embarrassed about anything really really old and tattered. And yeah JB used one but probably not in a really really long time. ;D BTW You pedal-thirsty Z-dudes have penetrated my dreams! I just awoke from a visit to a music store where I was trying out all kinds of fuzzes and OD's. It's distusting! GASsing in my sleep!
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Post by drew on Jun 11, 2006 8:40:16 GMT -7
How Funny, yup those pencil marks are handy! Sorry pre-mature response syndrome, that or I just needed more coffee. I like the RC20, it's packed with cool tones and features. It's not a leslie but is the most happening leslie effect I've tried. I've not tried the hughes and kettner thingy but have tried the digitec digital pedalboard rotating speaker effect (ok), the VOX tonelab rotating speaker effect (OK+), uni-vibe (nice but not a rotating spk effect IMO), Line 6 pedal (disliked) and finally the RC20. It's a very cool effect. A footpedal for realtime speed control is the bomb, not to detract from the slow/fast/stop pedal fuctions as they are fun too. But IMHO - it's not a leslie but mimics some of the characteristics, such as horn and bass bins are separate rotations which you can hear and control the balance between the two... nice. And it does more than just the leslie tones - the univibe settings are great. But IMHO, it's not a leslie. I have a Leslie 122, a non-powered (amplification) cab. It's stock from the factory and has an old jensen 12" ceramic speaker, slow and fast speeds. The spk is downward facing into a scooped styrofoam spinning cylinder. Pretty darn ingenious for the 50s. The tones are deep rich and pure. On slow speed it's so luscious as the tones just ooze from the downward pointed louvers. On fast it sounds like gospel day in the hood. So my benchmarking may be skewed. Feel free to ask any specific questions. Sorry for the rambling. Drew Drew
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Post by drew on Jun 11, 2006 8:44:14 GMT -7
Here's a shot of the Leslie 122. I did put a Celestion V30 to tighten up the lows but found it very similar to the original Jensen so I put the Jensen back in. Probably a 100W EVM 12L would tighten up the bass. But with a Ghia you don't need to tighen the bass.
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Post by drew on Jun 11, 2006 8:47:56 GMT -7
Hey Oldster, I can relate. I gas in my sleep too... it really pisses of the wife!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jun 11, 2006 9:34:22 GMT -7
How Funny, yup those pencil marks are handy! Sorry pre-mature response syndrome, that or I just needed more coffee. I like the RC20, it's packed with cool tones and features. It's not a leslie but is the most happening leslie effect I've tried. I've not tried the hughes and kettner thingy but have tried the digitec digital pedalboard rotating speaker effect (ok), the VOX tonelab rotating speaker effect (OK+), uni-vibe (nice but not a rotating spk effect IMO), Line 6 pedal (disliked) and finally the RC20. It's a very cool effect. A footpedal for realtime speed control is the bomb, not to detract from the slow/fast/stop pedal fuctions as they are fun too. But IMHO - it's not a leslie but mimics some of the characteristics, such as horn and bass bins are separate rotations which you can hear and control the balance between the two... nice. And it does more than just the leslie tones - the univibe settings are great. But IMHO, it's not a leslie. I have a Leslie 122, a non-powered (amplification) cab. It's stock from the factory and has an old jensen 12" ceramic speaker, slow and fast speeds. The spk is downward facing into a scooped styrofoam spinning cylinder. Pretty darn ingenious for the 50s. The tones are deep rich and pure. On slow speed it's so luscious as the tones just ooze from the downward pointed louvers. On fast it sounds like gospel day in the hood. So my benchmarking may be skewed. Feel free to ask any specific questions. Sorry for the rambling. Drew Drew Drew, if you ever get a chance to try a H&K Rotosphere II in the loop of a Stingray, do it. It is, to my ears, dead on Leslie. I love it. But if you don't have a loop, don't bother - way too noisy in front of the preamp. YMMV.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 11, 2006 13:19:59 GMT -7
Years agao I saw a guy doing a single act down in Coffeyville, KS at a club we used to play at. He had a small Hammond (L or M?) and a small Leslie like that only his had a wooden rotor. I didn't know they ever put the stryo rotor in a wooden Leslie. I've got one of the Leslie cabs that looks like a Fender Vibrotone only mine has an 12" alnico speaker with crinkle finish, has a Jensen label. Never saw a Jensen like mine, looks more like a JBL than a Jensen. The fender vibrotones used a heavy ceramic magnet 10" speaker. An EV would be a good speaker for that Leslie you've got. Cool!
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Post by real oldster on Jun 11, 2006 23:23:45 GMT -7
Never apologize for comparing a rotary speaker simulator to an actual Leslie. Leslie is the standard.
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Post by StrangeC on Jun 12, 2006 6:41:03 GMT -7
I keep an old Rat on my board- Keeley'd now. I also use a Zendrive, AM OD9, and a FatBoost. Think of swappingthe FatBoost for an RC...
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Post by johnnyl on Jun 12, 2006 16:03:01 GMT -7
I'm digging my Keeley Rat. It sounded sweet through my SRZ - can't wait to see how it sounds through the Ghia. It really does sing and sustain very well. Also plays nicely with the wah (unlike some other OD's or Fuzzes that sounded like poop unless you have some sort of op amp in the wah). All three settings are very useful. I was tooling around w/ the Mighty Mouse (cleanish boost) setting yesterday playing some Buddy Guy tunes and it sounded great. I usually use the two more distorted settings but damn it sounded good.
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Post by chipstar75 on Jul 8, 2006 17:57:48 GMT -7
I had the very 1st rat ever made. Bought it from a jbl rep in Kalamazoo,pre-production. Still love them. Still use a late 70's one.. When it needed repair, itook it to pro-co and they couldnt believe it. It had a production date sticker inside. He said "I dont remember us ever doing that" The plant was just down the street from the old Gibson plant.(now Heritage) chip
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Post by Hohn on Jul 13, 2006 10:07:43 GMT -7
I have found memories of the Rat because it's the first time my ears ever heard GREAT TONE when *I* was playing.
I was 19. I was playing for a youth group at church. Church had an oldish Fender 4x10 (silverface something, I think).
Rig was just a Strat into the Rat into the Fender. Dang, did that sound GREAT!
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Post by tjstrat on Jul 19, 2006 2:44:20 GMT -7
For 18 years the Rat was what I used as a benchmark for cool distortion... Got mine in late '86 and it languished in my closet while I Boogied for about a decade, then reappeared when I started dabbling with overdrives again. I never really found a distortion pedal that did what the Rat did as well as it did it. And remember that the Rat was probably the world's first "boutique" effects pedal...
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Post by Bill on Jul 19, 2006 4:27:06 GMT -7
I've owned dozens of OD pedals and for some reason, don't think the RAT had even crossed my mind...until I discovered a local pro player had used one for years. Hearing that, ordered a Keeley modded RAT II and it's now been on my board for probably 5 months now...a long time by my standards. The three way switch allows me to closer dial in anything from a small room to a big outdoor stage with ease. And there's always additional gain on tap if needed...I typically only use a small bit of drive with it.
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