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Post by John on Apr 12, 2006 10:54:33 GMT -7
I'm looking for a delay pedal.
It needs to be true bypass.
I'd like it to have, if possible, a couple of program storage settings.
I was looking at the Line 6 DL4...but after reading Harmony Central review...apparently, they BREAK, and often.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2006 11:04:22 GMT -7
Diamond Memorylane. ;D True Bypass, taptempo/modulation, but no programmable storage settings.
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Post by JChance on Apr 12, 2006 12:18:27 GMT -7
I'm looking for a delay pedal. It needs to be true bypass. I'd like it to have, if possible, a couple of program storage settings. I was looking at the Line 6 DL4...but after reading Harmony Central review...apparently, they BREAK, and often. Which is exactly why you *shouldn't* put any stock in H-C reviews... I can't tell you how many touring pros here in town I know that use them on the road. I haven't had one single person tell me they've had issues with them. I guess your mileage might vary, but Line 6 stuff is built well- J
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Post by daynwarren on Apr 12, 2006 12:30:44 GMT -7
I am a delay freak....
With that said I must agree that a Line 6 DL4 or a Line 6 Echo Pro Rack unit is the way to go. There are some bad reviews on HC but 1000's of people use them with no problem. They sound good, they are diverse, tap tempo, looper, what else could you want?
I have owned numerous delays and sold them all including 2 Line 6 Echo Pros. In fact, I just bought a Diamond Memory Lane and returned it. I will be buying a Line 6 Dl4 this week and my search is done. It is the best for me.
If you are concerned with quality or volume drop in the DL4, buy one and send it to Robert Keeley and he will mod it for $100.
Hope that helps!
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2006 12:41:32 GMT -7
I do take HC with a grain of salt, but I've never seen such a response on poor quality. Of course you're right, they sell a ton of these.
Sometimes HC is used as a b*tch session. People are more likely to write a negative review of something than a good one.
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Post by johnnyl on Apr 12, 2006 13:28:24 GMT -7
I had a dl4 and sold it for a Maxon AD-900. I love this pedal. It's warm as hell.... Dl-4 is versatile though I must say... almost too hard to dial it in though... my dos...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2006 14:46:49 GMT -7
Sup Johnnyl! Out of all the delays I have tried the Memory Lane is my favourite for pure sound. Now that does not mean it is better, just different. It all depends on what you are looking for in a delay. The Line6 DL4 is a great pedal. I want to own one as well for it's versatility. I still prefer the sound of the Analog delays to the modeler, but live who cares. I want to have both on my pedal board because I do like the line6's loop function. If you are looking for one do it all delay pedal you can't go wrong with the line6. But if you are not needing as many bells and whistles then I would check out some other delays. I would check out the memory lane just to see what else is out there. I also really like the T-rex replica Digital delay, another delay I would like to own. The Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man is still an all time fav. I am also on the Echoczar list. The boss units aren't bad either. Man I think I am becoming a delay nut...nut....nu....nu....n...n......
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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 12, 2006 14:59:46 GMT -7
I am a delay freak.... With that said I must agree that a Line 6 DL4 or a Line 6 Echo Pro Rack unit is the way to go. There are some bad reviews on HC but 1000's of people use them with no problem. They sound good, they are diverse, tap tempo, looper, what else could you want? I have owned numerous delays and sold them all including 2 Line 6 Echo Pros. In fact, I just bought a Diamond Memory Lane and returned it. I will be buying a Line 6 Dl4 this week and my search is done. It is the best for me. If you are concerned with quality or volume drop in the DL4, buy one and send it to Robert Keeley and he will mod it for $100. Hope that helps! I've had a DL4 for years with no problems and heavy use. Not as warm sounding as analog, but live nobody knows, and the versatility is unmatched. If I may ask daynwarren, why did you return the Memory Lane? Thanks Harold
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Post by bks on Apr 12, 2006 16:18:25 GMT -7
I got a DL4 used from a buddy and it seems solid, but, well, frankly, I can't be bothered. Too many knobs. I'm using a Smart People Factory I-5 delay that is pretty much everything I want from a delay. It's digital, but it has a "Warm" knob that makes it...warmer. There's some fancy bits, too, with expression pedals or something, but, again, why bother?
That said, I'm ordering the HBE Mimic analog delay, because there's that empty space on the pedal board, see? And that just won't do...Plus it has cool knobs (and only three of them).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2006 16:28:14 GMT -7
......because there's that empty space on the pedal board, see? And that just won't do.....Plus it has cool knobs (and only three of them). Very funny. I can't stand that myself...he he he.
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 12, 2006 16:37:32 GMT -7
The T-Rex is as good as I've heard for clean and crisp studio quality echo. I prefer it for clean chording and syncopated rhythms, I don't particularly care for it for overdriven lead tones, just a little too crisp. I'm thinking of getting either a Memory Lane or Maxon AD900 for a nice analog delay to use for trailing behind overdriven leads, just for that extra warmth. I've debated over which delay is the best, but I realize you really need at least two delays if you use delay alot with both clean and overdriven textures. Again, that's only if delay is very important to your sound, otherwise you can get a little too geeky with delays.
-Greg
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Post by foxx on Apr 12, 2006 18:30:13 GMT -7
Memory Lane is pretty cool, but not crisp. Very quiet, but has a slight drop in the highs and volume. Well, with the volume it depends on where the mix knob is set. An overdrive into the ML is good to boost volume a bit if needed. I can't justify spending Echoczar prices, once you add the second amp and angel baby. The Memory Lane does run a second amp, has a pan accessory, and modulation, All for $425. The Echoczar is in another level of tone, options, and price.
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Post by real oldster on Apr 12, 2006 23:39:58 GMT -7
I'm going to make a confession. I use an Ensoniq DP/4 for delay. I've had it 12 years. I don't use it in line, it's used at the mixing board. I set it for a subtle, sparkly reverb-y effect and forget it. No muss, no fuss. ;D
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Post by mentalray on Apr 13, 2006 1:13:10 GMT -7
Hi! Have a look on the new Marshall Echohead! It is a realy good sounding pedal with true bypass. It has 5 or 6 different modes; the one I like most is the tape-echo.
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Post by joekondziella on Apr 13, 2006 4:17:56 GMT -7
I've been using a DL4 gigging solidly for 5 or 6 years now and its taken alot of abuse. I had one of the switches come loose a few years back- just tooka few screws loose and put it back.It's cool to have a slap echo set, a longer one, and a swell echo that sounds pretty cool on slow songs.Plus a tap tempo.
That being said, I'm gassing for a DLS Tap Echo now. go figger
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Post by daynwarren on Apr 14, 2006 9:24:43 GMT -7
Harold,
I sold the Memory Lane because it was simply too dark for my taste. Analog delays can sound nice and warm but for me they tend to sound muddy. I guess I have found that I like the crispness of a digital delay and the consistency of repeats that don't trail off and get muddy. The ML was just too much $ to have tied up in one delay as well. It would be good to have is you could also afford DLS Echo-tap, and a TC Electronics Vintage Delay with a Line 6 DL4. Those are all great pedals....all I need is the DL4!
I LOVE the Line 6 Echo Pro but I sold both of mine because programming a midi footpedal is a pain and I am getting away from rack gear. The DL4 is the solution for me.
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Post by Telemanic on Apr 14, 2006 10:54:18 GMT -7
Beleive it or not i REALLY like my Korg toneworks Dynamic Delay. I dont know if they ever got the praise they deserve. Its got 2- programable settings, ducking feature!!, and all the usual high end attenuation to simulate an older sound. It can sound pretty PRISTINE if thats what you like , or you can crap it out so to speak. Man i dunno,.... It sounds really good and its compact and TRUE by-pass. Anyone else have thoughts?
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Post by seaking on Apr 14, 2006 11:37:09 GMT -7
Memory Lane...Memory Lane...Memory Lane.. er sorry. i have a hard time turning it off ;D ;D. There's definitely a number of crisp/clear digital alternatives out there (some of which i have heard used to great effect), but I'm really digging my first analog delay. The ML can be a little on the dark side i admit, however; with my present set up thats working in my favor. My classic 30 can be bright and harsh and the ML softens and tames it quite nicely, for my tastes away. For a much brighter effect i have used it direct into the amp but prefer the darker qualities the come from using the effects loop. I've heard that Z amps generally tend to be bright soooo... I'm hoping the ML will be just as effective with my Maz Jr, when it arrives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2006 11:41:11 GMT -7
Don't forget the EQ knob on the memory lane can give you nice dark repeats like the Maxon AD-900 or brighter repeats. Really nice feature. Again, though being analog it won't be as crisp as digital but it sounds soooo good.
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Post by foxx on Apr 14, 2006 16:11:40 GMT -7
The Memory Lane does darken the dry output as well as the delay only out. Even with the EQ knob set higher than 12:00, the ML is dark, but I still like it. I'm not going for crisp repeats. I like using delay for space, trails, and slapback stuff. If I was seriously into delay, or just had lots of cash, I would go with the Echoczar setup with a new stereo Powerglide Tremolo, yet to be in production. I have to "settle" for the Memory Lane, which is a great pedal. It is designed to sound like an "old" echoplex with a worn tape (modulation). But that's what I wanted, a softer, more spacious type of repeat. I like it blurred, yet with my Z tone as the spearhead. The interesting thing about the delay only output is that due to the lo-fi sound of the repeats, the second amp in the setup can be anything really. There is no real difference between my kid's Brand X 15 watt transistor amp and my Mazerati in the quality of the sound when using the delay only output of the ML. Yes, there is a power difference, and the amp is much much better, but it's still lower in volume, (mix knob dependent) and lower in quality overall. With a second amp for the Memory Lane there is no need to over amp the situation. I was imagining a 2 Z setup, but that's overkill, real great sounding overkill. I would love another Z, but a cheap amp would work very well just as a delay only amp.
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Post by StrangeC on Apr 14, 2006 22:28:30 GMT -7
Count me in for the DL4. For live stuff, having 3 different delays in one true-bypass pedal that has a tap tempo is great. I use the Memory Man, CE2, and Tape Echo models and I think for live work its a great pedal. I've had mine Keeleyed to make a good thing even better.
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Post by Beckanon on Apr 15, 2006 17:51:26 GMT -7
I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned the DLS Echo Tap. I picked one up a few weeks ago, and I think it has a great hi fi tone, with the ability to dial in the old school darker toned repeats. I like the two channel setup too -- I have channel one set as a preset slapback for rockabilly stuff, then I use the tap tempo channel for songs that require longer delay settings. I only wish there was a dedicated tone knob for each channel -- they both share one tone knob.
As far as programmable...besides the Line6, I think Boss has a pretty high quality delay unit with programming ability. The DD-20? I think? I've got a friend using one and he likes it alot...I think he prefers it over the Fulltone tape echo unit.
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Post by nickg on Apr 19, 2006 14:35:53 GMT -7
Boss dm-2 or dm-3.
Obviously i've got one so i would say that, but honestly, they sound great.
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Post by nickg on Apr 19, 2006 14:36:25 GMT -7
Oh sorry, it's not true bypass.
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Post by dei305 on Apr 19, 2006 19:33:26 GMT -7
Hi, I have had great luck with the H&K replex.
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Post by jwr on Apr 19, 2006 20:15:15 GMT -7
I'm using a Keeley modded DL4 and I like it a lot. I use it in front of my MAZ SR and it sounds great. Lot's of knobs, but it is true bypass. I really like the Keeley mods. But with that being said, I'd like to try a T-Rex Replica. I've never heard anything bad about it and it's in the price range of the DL4 after the Keeley mod.
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Post by John on Apr 20, 2006 5:11:11 GMT -7
What does the Keeley mod do? And how much does it cost?
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Post by jwr on Apr 20, 2006 8:02:09 GMT -7
Mostly what the mod does is fix the drop in volume when the pedal is engaged. If you use it in true bypass mode you'll notice it. It seems to be a little cleaner sounding as well. The pedal can be set in a non bypass kind of mode so that when you turn off the pedal the delays will trail off, not be cut off. It sounds cool but your overall tone suffers a little. The mod costs $100 -Jason
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Post by rodeoclown on Apr 21, 2006 3:20:17 GMT -7
I use an old Ibanez AD-80 analog delay for that "trailing after an overdriven lead" thing, and it sounds excellent. Nice and warm. But it's a little too muddy for much else. For a slapback I've got an itty bitty Guyatone MD3 digital delay that I just love. It boosts the highs a tad and is pretty quiet. And it's TINY - more room for more pedals! Neither is true bypass, but I don't notice any tone suck and I'm a bit of a nut about that. All the other pedals on my board are true bypass, and I run my Boss tuner through a true bypass looper.
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Post by bks on May 3, 2006 11:39:29 GMT -7
I'm ordering the HBE Mimic analog delay, because there's that empty space on the pedal board, see? And that just won't do...Plus it has cool knobs (and only three of them). Well, I never ordered this, because my usual source for ordering hasn't got any in yet. Last week I poked the HBE folks (quite nice) to ask who might have one, and they told me, quite by coincidence, that they'd just sent a few to a local shop. They arrived yesterday, and one of 'em (a Mimic Mock II) was mine five minutes before they closed last night (mad dash from work to make it there). It's a nice little pedal. Simple as dirt: Time, Repeats, Level. 400 ms max delay time via a NOS Panasonic Bucket Brigade. True bypass. No tap tempo or modulation. Still looking for the sweet spots, but an hour or so goofing around with it was fun. Plus it fills that aforementioned empty space perfectly, and it has chickenhead knobs... Oh...forgot to mention, $239 and change out the door.
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